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	<title>Comments on: Turkey Recalls Ambassador after House Genocide Resolution</title>
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		<title>By: frankie</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/turkey_recalls_ambassador_after_house_genocide_resolution/comment-page-1/#comment-184052</link>
		<dc:creator>frankie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it worth it to anger one of the largest and THE most democratic Muslim country just to pass the Armenian Genocide resolution, which has been passed twice already?  Well, is it?  &lt;strong&gt;http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=689&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it worth it to anger one of the largest and THE most democratic Muslim country just to pass the Armenian Genocide resolution, which has been passed twice already?  Well, is it?  <strong><a href="http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=689" rel="nofollow">http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=689</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Blue Crab Boulevard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Crab Boulevard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Talking Turkey...&lt;/strong&gt;

    	 	  
Turkey has reacted with anger over the vote from the House Foreign Affairs Committee&#039;s vote to approve the Armenian Genocide motion. Rather a lot of anger, in fact.
Turkey reacted angrily today to a House committee vote in Washington on W...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Talking Turkey...</strong></p>
<p>Turkey has reacted with anger over the vote from the House Foreign Affairs Committee&#39;s vote to approve the Armenian Genocide motion. Rather a lot of anger, in fact.<br />
Turkey reacted angrily today to a House committee vote in Washington on W...</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, in reference to several objections above, it isn&#039;t that the US is denying that something happened, it is simply a question of what to call it at this point.  And while calling something genocide if it is ongoing has practical effects, what one calls an event almost 100 years in the past is all about symbolism.  

I concur that the Turks are wrong to continue to downplay these events and they are especially wrong to imprison or censor anyone over this issue.  However, there are still legitimate and practical reasons to avoid this confrontation right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, in reference to several objections above, it isn't that the US is denying that something happened, it is simply a question of what to call it at this point.  And while calling something genocide if it is ongoing has practical effects, what one calls an event almost 100 years in the past is all about symbolism.  </p>
<p>I concur that the Turks are wrong to continue to downplay these events and they are especially wrong to imprison or censor anyone over this issue.  However, there are still legitimate and practical reasons to avoid this confrontation right now.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; That&#039;s true only if one limits one&#039;s analysis to &lt;i&gt;practical&lt;/i&gt; value, and excludes moral ones.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure. But I&#039;d argue there&#039;s no real moral value to be gained here, either, given the timeline.  As McCain notes, this government isn&#039;t culpable for the genocide that occurred 90 years ago. 

That they&#039;re reluctant to admit to it all these years later for cultural reasons I don&#039;t quite understand speaks to something, I suppose.  But what does it matter, really, other than to an ethnic minority holding on to ancient grudges?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> That's true only if one limits one's analysis to <i>practical</i> value, and excludes moral ones.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure. But I'd argue there's no real moral value to be gained here, either, given the timeline.  As McCain notes, this government isn't culpable for the genocide that occurred 90 years ago. </p>
<p>That they're reluctant to admit to it all these years later for cultural reasons I don't quite understand speaks to something, I suppose.  But what does it matter, really, other than to an ethnic minority holding on to ancient grudges?</p>
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		<title>By: Irv Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irv Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact is there are resolutions on the Holocaust. Unless you are willing to say they are inappropriate this one is very appropriate as well.

You are also forgetting the important fact from researching the issue&quot; this would not even be a question or an issue for congress if the government f Turkey hadn&#039;t spent the last 10 to 15 years making such a big deal of denying it. They&#039;ve jailed their academics internally and funded all kinds of denial outside of Turkey.

Seems that Ankara has made this an issue more than the remnants of the genocide survival.

Are Jewish groups who have US involvement in commemoration and recognition of the Holocaust, including taxpayer funding of museums, etc &quot;a narrow interest group&quot;? I don&#039;t think so.

If this genocide had been properly and publicity recognized Hitler woudl have thought twice himself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact is there are resolutions on the Holocaust. Unless you are willing to say they are inappropriate this one is very appropriate as well.</p>
<p>You are also forgetting the important fact from researching the issue" this would not even be a question or an issue for congress if the government f Turkey hadn't spent the last 10 to 15 years making such a big deal of denying it. They've jailed their academics internally and funded all kinds of denial outside of Turkey.</p>
<p>Seems that Ankara has made this an issue more than the remnants of the genocide survival.</p>
<p>Are Jewish groups who have US involvement in commemoration and recognition of the Holocaust, including taxpayer funding of museums, etc "a narrow interest group"? I don't think so.</p>
<p>If this genocide had been properly and publicity recognized Hitler woudl have thought twice himself!</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Joyner, you write, &quot;The value to be gained by passing this resolution, beyond mollifying a small interest group, is non-existent.&quot; That&#039;s true only if one limits one&#039;s analysis to &lt;i&gt;practical&lt;/i&gt; value, and excludes moral ones.

Nonetheless, I end up agreeing with you because I don&#039;t think that acting as a judge of moral values for people of other countries in their actions of nearly a century ago is an essential or even a proper role for our Congress. And by weighing in on a moral issue that is not essential to its actual responsibilities, Congress alienates the government and people of modern-day Turkey precisely when our relationship with them may be vital in preventing a &lt;i&gt;modern-day genocide&lt;/i&gt;, one arising from certain worst-case scenarios flowing from the potential partition of Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Joyner, you write, "The value to be gained by passing this resolution, beyond mollifying a small interest group, is non-existent." That's true only if one limits one's analysis to <i>practical</i> value, and excludes moral ones.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I end up agreeing with you because I don't think that acting as a judge of moral values for people of other countries in their actions of nearly a century ago is an essential or even a proper role for our Congress. And by weighing in on a moral issue that is not essential to its actual responsibilities, Congress alienates the government and people of modern-day Turkey precisely when our relationship with them may be vital in preventing a <i>modern-day genocide</i>, one arising from certain worst-case scenarios flowing from the potential partition of Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody is asking the United States Government to deny that genocide took place.  I&#039;m just saying it shouldn&#039;t grandstand in denouncing 90-year-old incidents in an attempt to embarrass an ally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is asking the United States Government to deny that genocide took place.  I'm just saying it shouldn't grandstand in denouncing 90-year-old incidents in an attempt to embarrass an ally.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timing and benefit aside, how can we complain about Ahmedinijad claiming there was no genocide in Germany in WW2, and then turn around and ask the USA not to admit that there was genocide in Armenia in WW1?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timing and benefit aside, how can we complain about Ahmedinijad claiming there was no genocide in Germany in WW2, and then turn around and ask the USA not to admit that there was genocide in Armenia in WW1?</p>
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