Sure. Now, who believes those things?

Hmmm... maybe the guy that butresses his argument and bolsters Ron Suskind's authority by pointing out that,"Maybe itâ??s full of crap, but I havenâ??t noticed any of Suskindâ??s other reports about this White House getting shot down, and it appears he talked to Tenet and others in the intel community."

Unless you meant to imply that the "others in the intel community" that he spoke to were not predominately adminstration critics and you are willing to give even weighting to any administration supporters he sources.

My point is that it's not going to be all that hard to find Bush critics in the CIA. Anybody with LOS of fourteen years started in the Clinton Administration and spent eight years under that administration. That includes a lot of senior people; the CIA is a bureaucracy, and they don't have purges with every new administration.

That's not to say that everybody who came into the CIA under Clinton is a malcontent, but you are not going to impress me by parading quotes from CIA critics of the administration any more that I think I could impress you by quoting administration supporters in the special ops community. "CIA agent critical of the administration" and "partisan hack", while not inextricably linked, are also not mutually exclusive terms.

Take Larry Johnson and the kind words he have for the passing of Karl Rove's mom for example...

Again, Anderson, opinion is not fact, not even if it comes from a CIA agent.

No one that call himself a supporter of democratic values or Christian values can support a weak action against these animals.

Stop killing your own people, stop supporting the Kerries, the Kennedies, the Clintons. Help bring stability and peace to IRAQ and deal the stronger blow to the ISLAMIC enemy. Stop being a useful fool of the left.

Frankly, though after the Daniel Pearl incident, we should realized that the Islamists aren't going to give us any quarter. They believe they are superior to us simply due to the religion they follow and that is why they will do the things they do.

In case you didn't notice, two young American men were brutally murdered in the sevice of their country.

Take a break from being such outstanding (richard)-heads. Put down the Starbuccaccino, set aside your bush bashing crapola, and shut your freakin (rooster) holsters.

These brave young men deserve better than your empty political posturing.

Two more of our brave soldiers, brutally murdered by slavering Islamic sociopaths desparate to save face and revive their sagging morale.

And over here, we've got idiots on the Left trying to revive their own sagging morale as well....

An important metaphysical discovery! Herb discovers that "in essence" is a synonym for "not actually"! Absence is presence! Freedom is slavery! Peace is war!

Proof, if it were needed, that great philosophical discoveries in no way depend on an elementary grasp of grammar, syntax, or rational thought.

You need to get your head out of the "Up and Locked" position.

I was referring to Kowardly Ken and his cohort Michael Deammons who, by their criticism, was in essence supporting the terrorist who committed this crime against humanity.

Or, is it Anderson, that you also want to let your Bush Hate guide your every thought and action.

There are some who want this country to lose big in Iraq and their hate for Bush is guiding their every thought. Are you one of therm Anderson, Are another Kowardly Ken ?

For the record, Ken never served a single hour, let alone a single day in the service of this country, All Ken has ever done is Take, Take, and Take more. He constantly and consistently demeans our troops, our country and everyone who disagrees with him, guided by his extreme hate for George Bush. Hate is his guide in his everyday life and for that, He has NO SOUL and will surely end up like those who conduct those acts of Torture and Killing in Iraq and elsewhere.

8) Liberals like most Americans do not approve of torture as it goes against our values.

Except when Americans are tortured and murdered and then they can think of any reason to excuse it.

Sure. Now, who believes those things?

Opinion is not fact. Not even Ron Suskind's opinion.

You can certainly believe that I am so shallow and brainwashed that I deny with every filament of my being anything that doesn't "fit my worldview", if you so desire. I have no doubt that Suskind spoke to many in the CIA and intel community; but don't bank on the fact that I don't know very well that the CIA is at least as much a beauracracy as the post office.

I also know that there are just as many senior agents that entered the service and whose formative years and "best years in the Agency" were under Clinton as under the Bushes. Analysts in that business tend to be by nature bright and independent; of course there are going to be divergence of opinion on many, many issues. To believe that the Agency or the Intel community as a whole is monolithically Republican and the administration critics in the Agency are motivated only by the "good of [fill in the blank] or are just regular Elliot Nesses who had a "road to Damascus" epiphany is just plain naive and silly.

1) Torture is always wrong

2) Bush changed American policy to allow for torture.

3) As a result of this policy change a huge number of people were tortured, many tortured to death.

4) Never before has the American military engaged in torture like they have since this change in policy. Not in VietNam, not in Korea, not during either world wars.

5) This policy change was not only immoral but also illegal as Bush does not have the authority to unilaterally change laws.

6) This policy change has denied America the moral high ground when it comes to defending our values.

7) Conservatives for the most part approve of torture.

8) Liberals like most Americans do not approve of torture as it goes against our values.

From the WaPo:Two U.S. soldiers missing since an attack on a checkpoint last week have been found dead near a power plant in Yusifiyah, south of Baghdad, according to U.S. officials, and Iraqi officials say the soldiers had been tortured. Maj. Gen. Abd...