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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/university_diversity_of_michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-103489</link>
		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Texas did have that program, but they stopped it. On the surface, taking the top 5/10% of all high school graduates would seem like a great way to get top quality freshmen. But what came out was there is a difference in the quality of the school such that the second 20% in some schools were better able to compete academically than the top 10% in others. Further, with school desegregation you find that whatever the zip code you aren&#039;t guaranteed anything about the racial make up. Racial diversity didn&#039;t rise by taking the top 10%, but a lot of good qualified kids couldn&#039;t get in.

I believe they are now trying to recruit qualified candidate who are from minorities, rather than taking anyone in the top 10%. In short, if you are a minority and good enough they want to talk to you about the advantages of their school. We shall see if this will increase or decrease racial diversity. Some of the initial signs are that the really qualified minority candidates really like this approach because it is their capability that gets recognized. Or to put it another way, the qualified student doesn&#039;t feel they have to prove they have the capability, not just the skin color because their presence means they have the capability. Their skin color doesn&#039;t become a proxy declaration that they are most likely not qualified but here because of their skin color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Texas did have that program, but they stopped it. On the surface, taking the top 5/10% of all high school graduates would seem like a great way to get top quality freshmen. But what came out was there is a difference in the quality of the school such that the second 20% in some schools were better able to compete academically than the top 10% in others. Further, with school desegregation you find that whatever the zip code you aren't guaranteed anything about the racial make up. Racial diversity didn't rise by taking the top 10%, but a lot of good qualified kids couldn't get in.</p>
<p>I believe they are now trying to recruit qualified candidate who are from minorities, rather than taking anyone in the top 10%. In short, if you are a minority and good enough they want to talk to you about the advantages of their school. We shall see if this will increase or decrease racial diversity. Some of the initial signs are that the really qualified minority candidates really like this approach because it is their capability that gets recognized. Or to put it another way, the qualified student doesn't feel they have to prove they have the capability, not just the skin color because their presence means they have the capability. Their skin color doesn't become a proxy declaration that they are most likely not qualified but here because of their skin color.</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/university_diversity_of_michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-103437</link>
		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why should rich white kids who dads and moms went to U of M get preferential treatment…I notice you never bring up that bit of white bias! &lt;/blockquote&gt;
 
They don&#039;t dumbass - legacies are race neutral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why should rich white kids who dads and moms went to U of M get preferential treatment…I notice you never bring up that bit of white bias! </p></blockquote>
<p>They don't dumbass - legacies are race neutral.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We believe we have the right, indeed the obligation, to complete this process using our existing policies. It would be unfair and wrong for us to review students’ applications using two sets of criteria,&lt;/i&gt;
Of course the current process &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; to use two sets of criteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We believe we have the right, indeed the obligation, to complete this process using our existing policies. It would be unfair and wrong for us to review students&rsquo; applications using two sets of criteria,</i><br />
Of course the current process <b>is</b> to use two sets of criteria.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Dill</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/university_diversity_of_michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-103435</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney Dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why should rich white kids who dads and moms went to U of M get preferential treatment…I notice you never bring up that bit of white bias!&lt;/i&gt;
I don&#039;t see anyone advocating this in this post, so why would it be brought up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why should rich white kids who dads and moms went to U of M get preferential treatment…I notice you never bring up that bit of white bias!</i><br />
I don't see anyone advocating this in this post, so why would it be brought up?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Funny how she also never mentions complying with the law.&lt;/em&gt; 

They were having conniptions on that point at Volokhia, but certainly, if she thinks the law&#039;s faulty, she&#039;s entitled to challenge it, though not to ignore it.  U-MI might well get an injunction if they have a colorable (ha, ha) legal argument, which btw I don&#039;t pretend to say whether they do or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Funny how she also never mentions complying with the law.</em> </p>
<p>They were having conniptions on that point at Volokhia, but certainly, if she thinks the law's faulty, she's entitled to challenge it, though not to ignore it.  U-MI might well get an injunction if they have a colorable (ha, ha) legal argument, which btw I don't pretend to say whether they do or not.</p>
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		<title>By: madmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The words “merit”, “achievement”, and “academic standards” do not make an appearance.&quot;

It&#039;s The University of Michigan...those words are givens...and this may be a shocker but diversity helps prepare people for the real world...rich white kids are not the end all, be all...I know this will come as a shock!  

Why should rich white kids who dads and moms went to U of M get preferential treatment...I notice you never bring up that bit of white bias!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The words “merit”, “achievement”, and “academic standards” do not make an appearance."</p>
<p>It's The University of Michigan...those words are givens...and this may be a shocker but diversity helps prepare people for the real world...rich white kids are not the end all, be all...I know this will come as a shock!  </p>
<p>Why should rich white kids who dads and moms went to U of M get preferential treatment...I notice you never bring up that bit of white bias!</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how she also never mentions complying with the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how she also never mentions complying with the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps she should consider dedicating her efforts to helping improve the ACADEMIC COMPETENCE of those in underrepresented groups.

Is it my imagination, or does she does seem to approach the whole diversity thing as if that is not even a possibility?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps she should consider dedicating her efforts to helping improve the ACADEMIC COMPETENCE of those in underrepresented groups.</p>
<p>Is it my imagination, or does she does seem to approach the whole diversity thing as if that is not even a possibility?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/university_diversity_of_michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-103404</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t they do what they did in Texas - just announce that the top 10% (or 5% - whatever) of the students in a high school class is guaranteed admission if they apply?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can't they do what they did in Texas - just announce that the top 10% (or 5% - whatever) of the students in a high school class is guaranteed admission if they apply?</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Dill</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/university_diversity_of_michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-103402</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney Dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We are Michigan and we are diversity.&lt;/i&gt;
Smart white people need not apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We are Michigan and we are diversity.</i><br />
Smart white people need not apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Wickedpinto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wickedpinto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been a way around it for the longest time, it existed long before the ban, it&#039;s called &quot;lying through your teeth&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a way around it for the longest time, it existed long before the ban, it's called "lying through your teeth"</p>
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