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	<title>Comments on: University of Oregon: No  &#8220;Support our Troops&#8221; Stickers</title>
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		<title>By: R.Co.</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.Co.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a current student at the University of Oregon.  I personally have a &quot;Yellow Ribbon&quot; on my bumber.  

This is an issue of public policy, not of what some may make it out to be as a university not supporting our troops.  As anyone knows one complaint from one individual about something that doesn&#039;t conform to policy can stir up a bunch of shit, this is the case.

The issue could have been taken the other way by the University not making him take off the sticker.  Then people would have accused the university of not following public policy.

A lose-lose situation IMO.

p.s. Even though Eugene is known as extermely liberal/anti-conservative town the support for our troops by the citizens of Eugene is just as strong as that of any other city.  

My best friend is over there, my thoughts are always with him.  When it comes to supporting our troops, politics and opinions should be left at the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a current student at the University of Oregon.  I personally have a "Yellow Ribbon" on my bumber.  </p>
<p>This is an issue of public policy, not of what some may make it out to be as a university not supporting our troops.  As anyone knows one complaint from one individual about something that doesn't conform to policy can stir up a bunch of shit, this is the case.</p>
<p>The issue could have been taken the other way by the University not making him take off the sticker.  Then people would have accused the university of not following public policy.</p>
<p>A lose-lose situation IMO.</p>
<p>p.s. Even though Eugene is known as extermely liberal/anti-conservative town the support for our troops by the citizens of Eugene is just as strong as that of any other city.  </p>
<p>My best friend is over there, my thoughts are always with him.  When it comes to supporting our troops, politics and opinions should be left at the door.</p>
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		<title>By: GaijinBiker</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaijinBiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The University&#039;s explanation is a lie:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://ridingsun.blogspot.com/2005/01/story-that-just-doesnt-stick.html&quot;&gt;http://ridingsun.blogspot.com/2005/01/story-that-just-doesnt-stick.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The University's explanation is a lie:</p>
<p><a href="http://ridingsun.blogspot.com/2005/01/story-that-just-doesnt-stick.html">http://ridingsun.blogspot.com/2005/01/story-that-just-doesnt-stick.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Think of it this way: If the bumper sticker was âSupport Our Troops: Bring Them Homeâ would you be so quick to defend this guyâs free speech rights?&quot;

If that was the case, this wouldn&#039;t be an issue.  We know who the complainers are.

And yes, every one is entitled to their opinion, but again, WHY would anyone be offended by &quot;Support the Troops&quot;.  Any controversy is one manufactured in their own minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Think of it this way: If the bumper sticker was âSupport Our Troops: Bring Them Homeâ would you be so quick to defend this guyâs free speech rights?"</p>
<p>If that was the case, this wouldn't be an issue.  We know who the complainers are.</p>
<p>And yes, every one is entitled to their opinion, but again, WHY would anyone be offended by "Support the Troops".  Any controversy is one manufactured in their own minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It annoys the life out of me that I have to agree with you. ;-)

Having said that, the guys beating you up about the doors have a point. And arguing that it is tradition won&#039;t get you far in most debates today.

And as far as the Professors being &quot;heart and soul of a university&quot; I can&#039;t argue with you per se, but try and run a University without a maintenance department and see how long that lasts. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It annoys the life out of me that I have to agree with you. ;-)</p>
<p>Having said that, the guys beating you up about the doors have a point. And arguing that it is tradition won't get you far in most debates today.</p>
<p>And as far as the Professors being "heart and soul of a university" I can't argue with you per se, but try and run a University without a maintenance department and see how long that lasts. lol</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
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		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a large state university, and there IS a massive difference between the door of a professor&#039;s office and vehicle driving in public. It&#039;s very easy to misconstrue a bumper sticker on a university-owned van as an espoused belief of the institution. Unless the guy has a disclaimer attached to the sticker stating that it is his opinion and not that of the university, it WILL be misconstrued. 

Yes, a faculty member has a little more leeway. Even with that, this very institution got after faculty who had anti-war signs in their outside windows. A door to an office connotes a private belief, but a window to the world can be misconstrued.

Think of it this way: If the bumper sticker was &quot;Support Our Troops: Bring Them Home&quot; would you be so quick to defend this guy&#039;s free speech rights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a large state university, and there IS a massive difference between the door of a professor's office and vehicle driving in public. It's very easy to misconstrue a bumper sticker on a university-owned van as an espoused belief of the institution. Unless the guy has a disclaimer attached to the sticker stating that it is his opinion and not that of the university, it WILL be misconstrued. </p>
<p>Yes, a faculty member has a little more leeway. Even with that, this very institution got after faculty who had anti-war signs in their outside windows. A door to an office connotes a private belief, but a window to the world can be misconstrued.</p>
<p>Think of it this way: If the bumper sticker was "Support Our Troops: Bring Them Home" would you be so quick to defend this guy's free speech rights?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is also worth noting that even if someone is offended by a &quot;support the troops&quot; sticker, they are entitled to their view.  After all, Bush is for freedom, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also worth noting that even if someone is offended by a "support the troops" sticker, they are entitled to their view.  After all, Bush is for freedom, right?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how an employee has any kind of &quot;right&quot; to but a sticker or any other adornment on a truck that he does not own.  Presumably the worker in question has his own car or truck that he is free to put all the bumper stickers he wants on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't see how an employee has any kind of "right" to but a sticker or any other adornment on a truck that he does not own.  Presumably the worker in question has his own car or truck that he is free to put all the bumper stickers he wants on.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose state vehicles should not have stickers of any kind.  What&#039;s troubling is how our culture of higher education is permeated with this stupid political correctness.  WHO was actually offended by the &quot;support the troops&quot; stickers? They need to get a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose state vehicles should not have stickers of any kind.  What's troubling is how our culture of higher education is permeated with this stupid political correctness.  WHO was actually offended by the "support the troops" stickers? They need to get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack: My argument is that the professor&#039;s door is naturally seen as his, no the university&#039;s.  Not so much a university vehicle.  

Profs decorating their doors is a time-honored tradition.  I suppose they are defacing university property.  On the other hand, professors are the heart and soul of a university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack: My argument is that the professor's door is naturally seen as his, no the university's.  Not so much a university vehicle.  </p>
<p>Profs decorating their doors is a time-honored tradition.  I suppose they are defacing university property.  On the other hand, professors are the heart and soul of a university.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Tanner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Tanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Iâd argue that professors are a different case because their role in the university is different. No one seeing a professorâs door decorated with cartoons and other paraphenalia is likely to think âAha, this is the view of the University.â &#039;

People take the maintenance guys political views more seriously than a professors? You said a mouthful there. I think the school has a right to prevent employees from putting personal views on school property but it&#039;s hard to understand how it wouldn&#039;t apply to profs but would to other staff. If I were the university I&#039;d cite property damage concerns but you could say the same thing about defacement to the professors door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'Iâd argue that professors are a different case because their role in the university is different. No one seeing a professorâs door decorated with cartoons and other paraphenalia is likely to think âAha, this is the view of the University.â '</p>
<p>People take the maintenance guys political views more seriously than a professors? You said a mouthful there. I think the school has a right to prevent employees from putting personal views on school property but it's hard to understand how it wouldn't apply to profs but would to other staff. If I were the university I'd cite property damage concerns but you could say the same thing about defacement to the professors door.</p>
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		<title>By: lunacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lunacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it&#039;s because of professorial influence that the professor&#039;s door is more disturbing than the groundskeepers utility truck. Particularly when the professor&#039;s political bias has little or nothing to do with his or her subject matter.

I&#039;m not suggesting that prof doors should be censored. I simply think that the maintenance man&#039;s sticker has as much validity as the literature teacher&#039;s political poster. 

It is not incumbant of all professors that they express their views under the umbrella of academic freedom. Yet they have the right to exercise free speech regardless of how irrelevant it is to their curriculum. The same should be said of the maintenance man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it's because of professorial influence that the professor's door is more disturbing than the groundskeepers utility truck. Particularly when the professor's political bias has little or nothing to do with his or her subject matter.</p>
<p>I'm not suggesting that prof doors should be censored. I simply think that the maintenance man's sticker has as much validity as the literature teacher's political poster. </p>
<p>It is not incumbant of all professors that they express their views under the umbrella of academic freedom. Yet they have the right to exercise free speech regardless of how irrelevant it is to their curriculum. The same should be said of the maintenance man.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meezer,

An interesting point.  I&#039;d argue that professors are a different case because their role in the university is different. No one seeing a professor&#039;s door decorated with cartoons and other paraphenalia is likely to think &quot;Aha, this is the view of the University.&quot;  That&#039;s less true of a truck driving around campus with the University logo.  Further, professors exist to communicate ideas and stimulate the minds of the students.  No other university employee, certainly not the support staff, have a similar mandate.  Related to this, of course, is the academic freedom argument.  No one suggests that janitors have academic freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meezer,</p>
<p>An interesting point.  I'd argue that professors are a different case because their role in the university is different. No one seeing a professor's door decorated with cartoons and other paraphenalia is likely to think "Aha, this is the view of the University."  That's less true of a truck driving around campus with the University logo.  Further, professors exist to communicate ideas and stimulate the minds of the students.  No other university employee, certainly not the support staff, have a similar mandate.  Related to this, of course, is the academic freedom argument.  No one suggests that janitors have academic freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Meezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point, especially about state-owned vehicles, but is this essentially different from Professors who post political posters on their office doors?  The offices do not belong to them and they often spend less time there than say, a security patrol officer does in his truck.  The posters, cartoons, etc., posted on office doors at my University often state or support very extreme positions, none of which are conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point, especially about state-owned vehicles, but is this essentially different from Professors who post political posters on their office doors?  The offices do not belong to them and they often spend less time there than say, a security patrol officer does in his truck.  The posters, cartoons, etc., posted on office doors at my University often state or support very extreme positions, none of which are conservative.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Mythusmage Opines :  By Whose Lights?</dc:creator>
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