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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 16:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My intent is not to be cavalier.  Rather to point out that the alternative increasingly coming into favor is doing nothing.  That strategy seems to only produce American civilian casualties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My intent is not to be cavalier.  Rather to point out that the alternative increasingly coming into favor is doing nothing.  That strategy seems to only produce American civilian casualties.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 13:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJD, I don&#039;t think you&#039;ll find any here opposed to what we&#039;re doing in Afghanistan.  However, treating civilian casualties cavalierly is counterproductive.  This is, after all, about supporting the Karzai&#039;s Afghan government.  Killig civilians will, even accidentally, will not generate much support from the populace for his government.  It makes us look like the Soviet invaders in their indiscriminate use of airpower against villagers, and the propaganda value for the Taliban cannot be discounted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJD, I don't think you'll find any here opposed to what we're doing in Afghanistan.  However, treating civilian casualties cavalierly is counterproductive.  This is, after all, about supporting the Karzai's Afghan government.  Killig civilians will, even accidentally, will not generate much support from the populace for his government.  It makes us look like the Soviet invaders in their indiscriminate use of airpower against villagers, and the propaganda value for the Taliban cannot be discounted.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 13:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that these &#039;villagers&#039; would have been angered by ANY incursion into their territory, by airstrikes OR ground personnel. This is one unfortunate consequence of the age of technological warfare:  the hope or belief that we can somehow avoid ANY collateral damage.

Killing civilians does harm the mission- somewhat.  I&#039;d also say that arguing we could have done it without any casualties is a pipe dream.  

We need to stop tying the hands of our forces.  The next step, and what is really harming the mission, is leading the voting populace to think we should not have the mission at all.  Now that the anti-war crowd has convinced a majority on Iraq, the next logical step is to suggest pulling all troops out of Afghanistan as well.  Advantage: OBL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that these 'villagers' would have been angered by ANY incursion into their territory, by airstrikes OR ground personnel. This is one unfortunate consequence of the age of technological warfare:  the hope or belief that we can somehow avoid ANY collateral damage.</p>
<p>Killing civilians does harm the mission- somewhat.  I'd also say that arguing we could have done it without any casualties is a pipe dream.  </p>
<p>We need to stop tying the hands of our forces.  The next step, and what is really harming the mission, is leading the voting populace to think we should not have the mission at all.  Now that the anti-war crowd has convinced a majority on Iraq, the next logical step is to suggest pulling all troops out of Afghanistan as well.  Advantage: OBL.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 13:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJD and Dale,

The effect of killing civilians is the main point of the post; it&#039;s a reasonable thing to include in the headline.  Did the U.S. military try to minimize collateral damage? Ya betcha.  Did they do enough? I&#039;d argue not.  Reliance on safe aerial strikes rather than more dangerous ground action radically increases the odds of civilian casualties.

Whether these dead are &quot;innocents&quot; in every sense of the word is really beside the point. Killing them harms the mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJD and Dale,</p>
<p>The effect of killing civilians is the main point of the post; it's a reasonable thing to include in the headline.  Did the U.S. military try to minimize collateral damage? Ya betcha.  Did they do enough? I'd argue not.  Reliance on safe aerial strikes rather than more dangerous ground action radically increases the odds of civilian casualties.</p>
<p>Whether these dead are "innocents" in every sense of the word is really beside the point. Killing them harms the mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Bhoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 12:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Has yellow journalism made a comeback? The title of the article could have stopped after the word â��Talibanâ��like the original article did. But sadly, there had to be a reference to â��civiliansâ�� killed.
Why wasnâ��t this article titled â��US Airstrike kills dozens of Taliban and Sympathizersâ�� (or â��Supportersâ�� or â��Friendsâ��)?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, James, you surely are  a Taliban sympathizer since the original wire story had the headline, &quot;19 Killed in New Violence in Afghanistan&quot; and you added the yellow-bellied &quot;civilians&quot; bit!

Are you going soft on us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Has yellow journalism made a comeback? The title of the article could have stopped after the word â��Talibanâ��like the original article did. But sadly, there had to be a reference to â��civiliansâ�� killed.<br />
Why wasnâ��t this article titled â��US Airstrike kills dozens of Taliban and Sympathizersâ�� (or â��Supportersâ�� or â��Friendsâ��)?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, James, you surely are  a Taliban sympathizer since the original wire story had the headline, "19 Killed in New Violence in Afghanistan" and you added the yellow-bellied "civilians" bit!</p>
<p>Are you going soft on us?</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 12:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has yellow journalism made a comeback? The title of the article could have stopped after the word &#039;Taliban&#039;like the original article did. But sadly, there had to be a reference to &#039;civilians&#039; killed. 
Why wasn&#039;t this article titled &quot;US Airstrike kills dozens of Taliban and Sympathizers&quot; (or &quot;Supporters&quot; or &quot;Friends&quot;)?
Pehaps an article describing the dangers of supporting the Taliban and how it leads to a loss of civilian life would have been more appropriate. 
I agree with the thrust of your point that airstrikes cannot discriminate between the good guys and the bad guys and may lead to blow back. No one is safe when conflict is afoot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has yellow journalism made a comeback? The title of the article could have stopped after the word 'Taliban'like the original article did. But sadly, there had to be a reference to 'civilians' killed.<br />
Why wasn't this article titled "US Airstrike kills dozens of Taliban and Sympathizers" (or "Supporters" or "Friends")?<br />
Pehaps an article describing the dangers of supporting the Taliban and how it leads to a loss of civilian life would have been more appropriate.<br />
I agree with the thrust of your point that airstrikes cannot discriminate between the good guys and the bad guys and may lead to blow back. No one is safe when conflict is afoot.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 12:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJD, and we get suckered into playing THAT game with them by throwing bombs into areas with civilians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJD, and we get suckered into playing THAT game with them by throwing bombs into areas with civilians?</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 12:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it any surprise that Taliban fighters have women and children, and choose to live and associate with them?

Any civilian casualty is a tragedy.  The difference is that we take extraordinary measures to avoid them, with an enemy that shields itself with civilians, and operates among civilians.  The enemy takes extraordinary measures to cause civilian casualties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it any surprise that Taliban fighters have women and children, and choose to live and associate with them?</p>
<p>Any civilian casualty is a tragedy.  The difference is that we take extraordinary measures to avoid them, with an enemy that shields itself with civilians, and operates among civilians.  The enemy takes extraordinary measures to cause civilian casualties.</p>
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