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	<title>Comments on: Osama Bin Laden&#8217;s Bodyguard Can be Tried by Military Tribunal</title>
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		<title>By: ALS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I believe the Geneva Convention also has something to say about interrogating POWs for intelligence. That was, IIRC, the primary argument against extending POW status to these detainees.

And since the whole idea of the GWOT was supposed to be to prevent further attacks, that kind of settles the question right there.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I understand that, but we really haven&#039;t gotten much decent, actionable intelligence out of them anyway. Firmly believe that labeling them POWs would have been the more viable option, that way, we would be completely justified in letting them ROT until the War on Terror is over (which will be, you know, um, NEVER), and we wouldn&#039;t have to bother with silly trials. People would look STUPID calling for trials when Geneva specifically prohibits it.

I know that these clowns don&#039;t meet the definition of lawful combatants (no uniforms, not part of an organized military, etc), but we have really gotten ourselves into a lot of hot water with the whole world over this &quot;enemy combatant&quot; silliness.

We would have had the moral high ground if we would have labeled them POWs.

Screw the ability to interrogate them. Ain&#039;t doin&#039; us much good anyhow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I believe the Geneva Convention also has something to say about interrogating POWs for intelligence. That was, IIRC, the primary argument against extending POW status to these detainees.</p>
<p>And since the whole idea of the GWOT was supposed to be to prevent further attacks, that kind of settles the question right there.
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<p>I understand that, but we really haven't gotten much decent, actionable intelligence out of them anyway. Firmly believe that labeling them POWs would have been the more viable option, that way, we would be completely justified in letting them ROT until the War on Terror is over (which will be, you know, um, NEVER), and we wouldn't have to bother with silly trials. People would look STUPID calling for trials when Geneva specifically prohibits it.</p>
<p>I know that these clowns don't meet the definition of lawful combatants (no uniforms, not part of an organized military, etc), but we have really gotten ourselves into a lot of hot water with the whole world over this "enemy combatant" silliness.</p>
<p>We would have had the moral high ground if we would have labeled them POWs.</p>
<p>Screw the ability to interrogate them. Ain't doin' us much good anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cf. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml?pid=2729&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&amp;c at TNR&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;What does a &quot;competent tribunal&quot; look like? The D.C. Circuit&#039;s Court of Appeals has an interesting take. According to today&#039;s ruling, which gives a green light to the military commissions being used to try Guantanamo detainees, competency doesn&#039;t have to do with judges having &lt;strong&gt;legal experience &lt;/strong&gt;or knowing how many articles are in the Geneva Convention. It doesn&#039;t require that a defendant be advised of the evidence against him or provided the &lt;strong&gt;right to independent appeal&lt;/strong&gt;. It doesn&#039;t relate to strict standards for admissible evidence--in fact, &lt;strong&gt;hearsay and statements obtained under coercion are a-okay&lt;/strong&gt;. In fact, really the only thing a competent tribunal needs is three commissioned officers, at least one of whom is ranked above captain. And, having those, says the court, &quot;the military commission is such a tribunal.&quot; Release the kangaroos!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cf. <a href="http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml?pid=2729" rel="nofollow">&amp;c at TNR</a>:</p>
<p><i>What does a "competent tribunal" look like? The D.C. Circuit's Court of Appeals has an interesting take. According to today's ruling, which gives a green light to the military commissions being used to try Guantanamo detainees, competency doesn't have to do with judges having <strong>legal experience </strong>or knowing how many articles are in the Geneva Convention. It doesn't require that a defendant be advised of the evidence against him or provided the <strong>right to independent appeal</strong>. It doesn't relate to strict standards for admissible evidence--in fact, <strong>hearsay and statements obtained under coercion are a-okay</strong>. In fact, really the only thing a competent tribunal needs is three commissioned officers, at least one of whom is ranked above captain. And, having those, says the court, "the military commission is such a tribunal." Release the kangaroos!</i></p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;People wouldnât be screaming about giving them trials (under Geneva, we simply couldnât), and keeping them indefinitely locked up would also be legitimate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I believe the Geneva Convention also has something to say about interrogating POWs for intelligence. That was, IIRC, the primary argument against extending POW status to these detainees.

And since the whole idea of the GWOT was supposed to be to prevent further attacks, that kind of settles the question right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>People wouldnât be screaming about giving them trials (under Geneva, we simply couldnât), and keeping them indefinitely locked up would also be legitimate.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe the Geneva Convention also has something to say about interrogating POWs for intelligence. That was, IIRC, the primary argument against extending POW status to these detainees.</p>
<p>And since the whole idea of the GWOT was supposed to be to prevent further attacks, that kind of settles the question right there.</p>
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		<title>By: ALS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still, I think we should have labeled them Prisoners of War... according to the Geneva Convention, you can hold POWs until the end of war. And you can&#039;t put POWs on trial. In the case of Al Qaeda detainees, I believe this kind of arrangement would suit us better.

People wouldn&#039;t be screaming about giving them trials (under Geneva, we simply couldn&#039;t), and  keeping them indefinitely locked up would also be legitimate.

Branding them as &quot;enemy combatants&quot; leaves too much gray area and makes people demand trials for them and all kinds of other silly b.s.

Calling them POWs just makes so much more sense. Wish we would have done that from the get-go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still, I think we should have labeled them Prisoners of War... according to the Geneva Convention, you can hold POWs until the end of war. And you can't put POWs on trial. In the case of Al Qaeda detainees, I believe this kind of arrangement would suit us better.</p>
<p>People wouldn't be screaming about giving them trials (under Geneva, we simply couldn't), and  keeping them indefinitely locked up would also be legitimate.</p>
<p>Branding them as "enemy combatants" leaves too much gray area and makes people demand trials for them and all kinds of other silly b.s.</p>
<p>Calling them POWs just makes so much more sense. Wish we would have done that from the get-go.</p>
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