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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_death_toll_in_iraq_hits_2000/comment-page-1/#comment-62054</link>
		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More cheerleading for failure from the MSM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More cheerleading for failure from the MSM.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_death_toll_in_iraq_hits_2000/comment-page-1/#comment-62025</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This of course is something to be debated, but is really where the discussion belongs, rather than some kind of âonce we reach 2,000 the war is officially a bad ideaâ kind of meme.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But you&#039;re expecting war opponents to &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; about ... complex issues and stuff.

That&#039;s just cruel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This of course is something to be debated, but is really where the discussion belongs, rather than some kind of âonce we reach 2,000 the war is officially a bad ideaâ kind of meme.</p></blockquote>
<p>But you're expecting war opponents to <i>think</i> about ... complex issues and stuff.</p>
<p>That's just cruel.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I would be interested in seeing is what percentage of the US population those casualty figures meet.

For instance 25,000 in the revolutionary war was probably a huge percentage of the population for that period of time compared to what it would represent now.

In the end I don&#039;t think the debate should be centered around casualty counting, but in whether or not the war was neccessary, and the cost was worth it.  This of course is something to be debated, but is really where the discussion belongs, rather than some kind of &quot;once we reach 2,000 the war is officially a bad idea&quot; kind of meme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I would be interested in seeing is what percentage of the US population those casualty figures meet.</p>
<p>For instance 25,000 in the revolutionary war was probably a huge percentage of the population for that period of time compared to what it would represent now.</p>
<p>In the end I don't think the debate should be centered around casualty counting, but in whether or not the war was neccessary, and the cost was worth it.  This of course is something to be debated, but is really where the discussion belongs, rather than some kind of "once we reach 2,000 the war is officially a bad idea" kind of meme.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God the Bush admin is now circling the bowl with ever increasing speed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God the Bush admin is now circling the bowl with ever increasing speed...</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken:

Good one. Glad you didn&#039;t miss the chance to get one in (knife in the back, that is)

Ken, you remind me of the &quot;Constipated Hoot Owl&quot;

Anyway,Ken, who wants to hear or see from you that is a leach and sponge on the whole of society. To top that off, you coward, why haven&#039;t you served our country.

You are just a Kid that really don&#039;t what the hell he&#039;s talking about. 

Now let&#039;s hear some more stupid, assinine talk from you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken:</p>
<p>Good one. Glad you didn't miss the chance to get one in (knife in the back, that is)</p>
<p>Ken, you remind me of the "Constipated Hoot Owl"</p>
<p>Anyway,Ken, who wants to hear or see from you that is a leach and sponge on the whole of society. To top that off, you coward, why haven't you served our country.</p>
<p>You are just a Kid that really don't what the hell he's talking about. </p>
<p>Now let's hear some more stupid, assinine talk from you</p>
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		<title>By: Sortapundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sortapundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;For Those Who Gave Their Lives...&lt;/strong&gt;

Reading of the 2,000th American military fatality tonight, and see that we here in the UK are nearing the 100th British loss, it&#039;s hard not to notice the similarities between the soldiers and Rosa Parks, who also died today. Both Parks and the soldier...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>For Those Who Gave Their Lives...</strong></p>
<p>Reading of the 2,000th American military fatality tonight, and see that we here in the UK are nearing the 100th British loss, it's hard not to notice the similarities between the soldiers and Rosa Parks, who also died today. Both Parks and the soldier...</p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;U.S. Military Deaths Reach 2,000 in Iraq&lt;/strong&gt;

The American military death toll in the Iraq war reached 2,000 Tuesday with the announcements of thr</description>
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<p>The American military death toll in the Iraq war reached 2,000 Tuesday with the announcements of thr</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, I was thinking of parallels with the Spanish American war ... it would be striking if we ended with similar totals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, I was thinking of parallels with the Spanish American war ... it would be striking if we ended with similar totals.</p>
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		<title>By: Project Nothing! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2,000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Project Nothing! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2,000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner looks at history, and offers this:  &#8220;Regardless of the position one took on the war at the outset, or even one&#8217;s position as to whether we ought remain knowing what we know now, we should hope that these 2000 lives purchase something worthy of their sacrifice. If they lead to a free, democratic Iraq that is a catalyst for a Middle East less hospitable to Islamist zealots, that will indeed be the case.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Joyner looks at history, and offers this:  &#8220;Regardless of the position one took on the war at the outset, or even one&#8217;s position as to whether we ought remain knowing what we know now, we should hope that these 2000 lives purchase something worthy of their sacrifice. If they lead to a free, democratic Iraq that is a catalyst for a Middle East less hospitable to Islamist zealots, that will indeed be the case.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Veteran:

I have read your comment several times and I want to know one thing,

Who is the âYOUâ you refer to so many times?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Herb,

We all pretty much thought he was talking about you, Herb. 

Who did you think he was referring to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Veteran:</p>
<p>I have read your comment several times and I want to know one thing,</p>
<p>Who is the âYOUâ you refer to so many times?</p></blockquote>
<p>Herb,</p>
<p>We all pretty much thought he was talking about you, Herb. </p>
<p>Who did you think he was referring to?</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that the body counters (the remnants of VietNam )can&#039;t understand that with today&#039;s modern science and weaponry (WMDs) the terrorists will make that number tiny if we allow them. This is not a war that we wanted. This is a war that was avoided by the body counter types for far too long. Those body counts are, in part, the conseqences of the do nothing Clinton administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that the body counters (the remnants of VietNam )can't understand that with today's modern science and weaponry (WMDs) the terrorists will make that number tiny if we allow them. This is not a war that we wanted. This is a war that was avoided by the body counter types for far too long. Those body counts are, in part, the conseqences of the do nothing Clinton administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veteran:

I have read your comment several times and I want to know one thing,

Who is the &quot;YOU&quot; you refer to so many times?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veteran:</p>
<p>I have read your comment several times and I want to know one thing,</p>
<p>Who is the "YOU" you refer to so many times?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But consider the real outcome, not the one that existed only in Wolfowitz&#039;s imagination: an Iraq dominated by pro-Iranian Shiite Islamic extremists, with chaotic exceptions dominated by Islamic Sunni terrorists, with maybe, just maybe, an area of Kurdish friends that anger our Turkish friends so much that Turkey would invade.  And we didn&#039;t get a darn thing from Iran for giving Irag to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But consider the real outcome, not the one that existed only in Wolfowitz's imagination: an Iraq dominated by pro-Iranian Shiite Islamic extremists, with chaotic exceptions dominated by Islamic Sunni terrorists, with maybe, just maybe, an area of Kurdish friends that anger our Turkish friends so much that Turkey would invade.  And we didn't get a darn thing from Iran for giving Irag to them.</p>
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		<title>By: veteran</title>
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		<dc:creator>veteran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not one supports the war one needs to be appalled by this rightwing attempt to trivialize the consequences.

A select group of Americans pay, they pay deeply.  If one had said (and a number did) 2 1/2 years ago that thousands of dead would happen after &quot;mission accomplished&quot; they would have been mocked because know it all strategists like you said the quagmire conception was dead.

Now it is a quagmire.  Unlike Vetnam it involves vital interests.  So we are stuck in a place with an apparently long term insurgency, massive criminality and corruption with our greatest &quot;success&quot; being a south ruled by Iranian influenced militias.

For the record I did support the war.  And I have argued for 2 years in letters to congress critters and others that we must acknowledge problems and try to solve them.  Not deny and rationalize them.

As traitors, yes traitors like you do.  Those who have constantly said that all was will and everything perfect have done more to undermine this effort than all the others.

You supported the firing of Garner because the country was not ready fir ekections and he wouldn&#039;t let Chalibi decide policy, also because he took seriously the studies by the army war college and others.  You celebrated Brenmer who brought in a bunch of kids with rightwing PC to run the country, you cekebrated the flat tax and claimed Iraq an advanced econony even as this was developing:

http://amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/cover.html

You accused Senator Clinton and others of political game playing when they called for more troops to do things like secure ammo dumps and borders, you claimed there was no such use.

Now you trivialize the death of people whose finger nail clippings are worth ten times you and your miserable family.  You say it&#039;s no big deal!

It is chump. There are a lot of real conservatives in this country.  We stand for values and responsibility and are willing to sacrifice.  Hiostorically this has beaten the feudalism, the protection of the landed, the worship of kings and the degradation of the little people that you represent.

Your values are reactionary, they are 15th century and I would ask you to refrain from polluting our troops by mentioning them.  Go dream of the ctony rewards you hope to get by saying all is wonderful.

But some of us are not afraid to look sacrifice in the face, to weep, we think it good to see flag draped coffins, to remind us.  And we know how peope like you lie.  It is not deaths that the American peple will not tolerate, but deaths for nothing or little.  And by being a too for a partisan propaganda machine scum like you have almost certainly assured our failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not one supports the war one needs to be appalled by this rightwing attempt to trivialize the consequences.</p>
<p>A select group of Americans pay, they pay deeply.  If one had said (and a number did) 2 1/2 years ago that thousands of dead would happen after "mission accomplished" they would have been mocked because know it all strategists like you said the quagmire conception was dead.</p>
<p>Now it is a quagmire.  Unlike Vetnam it involves vital interests.  So we are stuck in a place with an apparently long term insurgency, massive criminality and corruption with our greatest "success" being a south ruled by Iranian influenced militias.</p>
<p>For the record I did support the war.  And I have argued for 2 years in letters to congress critters and others that we must acknowledge problems and try to solve them.  Not deny and rationalize them.</p>
<p>As traitors, yes traitors like you do.  Those who have constantly said that all was will and everything perfect have done more to undermine this effort than all the others.</p>
<p>You supported the firing of Garner because the country was not ready fir ekections and he wouldn't let Chalibi decide policy, also because he took seriously the studies by the army war college and others.  You celebrated Brenmer who brought in a bunch of kids with rightwing PC to run the country, you cekebrated the flat tax and claimed Iraq an advanced econony even as this was developing:</p>
<p><a href="http://amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/cover.html" rel="nofollow">http://amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/cover.html</a></p>
<p>You accused Senator Clinton and others of political game playing when they called for more troops to do things like secure ammo dumps and borders, you claimed there was no such use.</p>
<p>Now you trivialize the death of people whose finger nail clippings are worth ten times you and your miserable family.  You say it's no big deal!</p>
<p>It is chump. There are a lot of real conservatives in this country.  We stand for values and responsibility and are willing to sacrifice.  Hiostorically this has beaten the feudalism, the protection of the landed, the worship of kings and the degradation of the little people that you represent.</p>
<p>Your values are reactionary, they are 15th century and I would ask you to refrain from polluting our troops by mentioning them.  Go dream of the ctony rewards you hope to get by saying all is wonderful.</p>
<p>But some of us are not afraid to look sacrifice in the face, to weep, we think it good to see flag draped coffins, to remind us.  And we know how peope like you lie.  It is not deaths that the American peple will not tolerate, but deaths for nothing or little.  And by being a too for a partisan propaganda machine scum like you have almost certainly assured our failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Nor is it an indication of the worth of the mission for which these troops died. If the war in Iraq was not worth fighting, then one death is too many.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Amen.  God rest their souls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nor is it an indication of the worth of the mission for which these troops died. If the war in Iraq was not worth fighting, then one death is too many.</p></blockquote>
<p>Amen.  God rest their souls.</p>
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