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		<title>By: Let's Keep It</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_generosity/comment-page-1/#comment-30882</link>
		<dc:creator>Let's Keep It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest we American tell them to kiss our ass.  They can find their own air planes, helicopters and ship in order to get the aid distributed.  Let&#039;s see then who is screaming...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest we American tell them to kiss our ass.  They can find their own air planes, helicopters and ship in order to get the aid distributed.  Let's see then who is screaming...</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_generosity/comment-page-1/#comment-30755</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;In doing all this we control for size since it doesnât make sense to ask Denmark to give as much aid as the U.S. where one could argue that the U.S. should give as much per GDP or per person as Denmark. Similarly, one canât expect Denmark to import as much from poorer countries as the U.S., but can argue it should have trade barriers as low.&lt;/em&gt;

And herein is the crux of the dispute. The U.S. is not Denmark. Our highest tax bracket is what, 39 percent? Compare that with the European countries and you get a skewed picture of giving that favors countries that basically demand money from their own citizens so they can piss it away to the U.N., etc. 

In the U.S., citizens give more of their own money because they don&#039;t have Uncle Sam squeezing their pocketbooks to take it away from them. Naturally a socialist country is going to look better than a capitalist country, because we don&#039;t rely on our government to be a big nanny Santa Claus.

Comparing Denmark&#039;s governmental giving per capita to the U.S.&#039;s governmental giving per capita is just as flawed as any other system the U.N. has because it represents fundamental political differences in how citizens are taxed, how their money is spent, and how charity functions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>In doing all this we control for size since it doesnât make sense to ask Denmark to give as much aid as the U.S. where one could argue that the U.S. should give as much per GDP or per person as Denmark. Similarly, one canât expect Denmark to import as much from poorer countries as the U.S., but can argue it should have trade barriers as low.</em></p>
<p>And herein is the crux of the dispute. The U.S. is not Denmark. Our highest tax bracket is what, 39 percent? Compare that with the European countries and you get a skewed picture of giving that favors countries that basically demand money from their own citizens so they can piss it away to the U.N., etc. </p>
<p>In the U.S., citizens give more of their own money because they don't have Uncle Sam squeezing their pocketbooks to take it away from them. Naturally a socialist country is going to look better than a capitalist country, because we don't rely on our government to be a big nanny Santa Claus.</p>
<p>Comparing Denmark's governmental giving per capita to the U.S.'s governmental giving per capita is just as flawed as any other system the U.N. has because it represents fundamental political differences in how citizens are taxed, how their money is spent, and how charity functions.</p>
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		<title>By: JMD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_generosity/comment-page-1/#comment-30725</link>
		<dc:creator>JMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My research on the web was only perfunctory, but this little essay from 2000 about private sources of foreign aid in the US looked interesting.

The estimations early on are that foreign aid from private sources easily exceeds foreign aid from public sources.

http://www.americanoutlook.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=article_detail&amp;id=1183</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My research on the web was only perfunctory, but this little essay from 2000 about private sources of foreign aid in the US looked interesting.</p>
<p>The estimations early on are that foreign aid from private sources easily exceeds foreign aid from public sources.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanoutlook.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=article_detail&#038;id=1183" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanoutlook.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=article_detail&#038;id=1183</a></p>
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		<title>By: jpe</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_generosity/comment-page-1/#comment-30722</link>
		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The effect of private aid is bound to be de minimis.  Americans give plenty, of course, but I&#039;d be shocked if more than a quarter of that aid went abroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The effect of private aid is bound to be de minimis.  Americans give plenty, of course, but I'd be shocked if more than a quarter of that aid went abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t I see any Middle Eastern Countries? With all their revenues they should be donating at least something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don't I see any Middle Eastern Countries? With all their revenues they should be donating at least something.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I agree with the premise of your research.  I disagree, though, that only direct cash payments should be counted. Certainly, the entirety of the U.S. military budget shouldn&#039;t be counted, either, in that much of it is clearly not &quot;humanitarian aid.&quot;  However, the use of U.S. military transports to move critical goods, U.S. peacekeepers, funds given to the U.N. for its humanitarian operations, and so forth should certainly be counted.  The countries above the U.S. on your list are &quot;stingy&quot; with their services even if they&#039;re generous with the cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I agree with the premise of your research.  I disagree, though, that only direct cash payments should be counted. Certainly, the entirety of the U.S. military budget shouldn't be counted, either, in that much of it is clearly not "humanitarian aid."  However, the use of U.S. military transports to move critical goods, U.S. peacekeepers, funds given to the U.N. for its humanitarian operations, and so forth should certainly be counted.  The countries above the U.S. on your list are "stingy" with their services even if they're generous with the cash.</p>
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		<title>By: PoliBlog:  Politics is the Master Science</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_generosity/comment-page-1/#comment-30704</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliBlog:  Politics is the Master Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;On the Politics of Contributions&lt;/strong&gt;
There is a graphic in yesterday&#039;s Montgomery Advertiser which shows the initial pledges for tsuanmi aid as of 5 am cst on 12/28/04.  (I have looked online in numerous places, but haven&#039;t been able to find it.  )   In the graphic, which shows the init...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On the Politics of Contributions</strong><br />
There is a graphic in yesterday's Montgomery Advertiser which shows the initial pledges for tsuanmi aid as of 5 am cst on 12/28/04.  (I have looked online in numerous places, but haven't been able to find it.  )   In the graphic, which shows the init...</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I think you can make a case that a lot of U.S. assistance, broadly understood, is not being counted. I wouldn&#039;t necessarily agree, understand, but it can be done. But I think the way to do it is a bit different from what you have written. These categories--grants, loans, investment, etc.--are pretty broad. They&#039;re just asking whether the recipient has to pay money back and if so on what terms.

What you could argue, I suppose, is that security aid, like we are providing in Afghanistan, training soldiers and such, is not being counted but should be. There is actually a debate right now among DAC members (the rich countries) about whether to change this. But one shouldn&#039;t assume without data that counting it would radically change the picture.

At the Center for Global Development, I run a project called the Commitment to Development Index (www.cgdev.org/rankingtherich). It&#039;s a collaboration with Foreign Policy magazine. We rate 21 rich countries on the how much their policies help or hurt poorer countries. We do count troop commitments in Afghanistan, the NATO intervention in Kosovo, the relative ease with which people from poor countries can come to the U.S. to work and send home money, and our relatively open trade policies. We also factor in policies that affect the global environment, technology creation and dissemination, and investment flows.

In doing all this we control for size since it doesn&#039;t make sense to ask Denmark to give as much aid as the U.S. where one could argue that the U.S. should give as much per GDP or per person as Denmark. Similarly, one can&#039;t expect Denmark to import as much from poorer countries as the U.S., but can argue it should have trade barriers as low.

The point is to do in a serious way what you are arguing for--looking at the bigger picture. In the 2004 edition, the U.S. ties with France, Germany, and Norway for 7th place (out of 21)--not terrible but not where I think the leader of the free world should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I think you can make a case that a lot of U.S. assistance, broadly understood, is not being counted. I wouldn't necessarily agree, understand, but it can be done. But I think the way to do it is a bit different from what you have written. These categories--grants, loans, investment, etc.--are pretty broad. They're just asking whether the recipient has to pay money back and if so on what terms.</p>
<p>What you could argue, I suppose, is that security aid, like we are providing in Afghanistan, training soldiers and such, is not being counted but should be. There is actually a debate right now among DAC members (the rich countries) about whether to change this. But one shouldn't assume without data that counting it would radically change the picture.</p>
<p>At the Center for Global Development, I run a project called the Commitment to Development Index (www.cgdev.org/rankingtherich). It's a collaboration with Foreign Policy magazine. We rate 21 rich countries on the how much their policies help or hurt poorer countries. We do count troop commitments in Afghanistan, the NATO intervention in Kosovo, the relative ease with which people from poor countries can come to the U.S. to work and send home money, and our relatively open trade policies. We also factor in policies that affect the global environment, technology creation and dissemination, and investment flows.</p>
<p>In doing all this we control for size since it doesn't make sense to ask Denmark to give as much aid as the U.S. where one could argue that the U.S. should give as much per GDP or per person as Denmark. Similarly, one can't expect Denmark to import as much from poorer countries as the U.S., but can argue it should have trade barriers as low.</p>
<p>The point is to do in a serious way what you are arguing for--looking at the bigger picture. In the 2004 edition, the U.S. ties with France, Germany, and Norway for 7th place (out of 21)--not terrible but not where I think the leader of the free world should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are the wealthy Muslim contries such as Saudi Arabia?  Since they have very small populations it wouldn&#039;t take many dollars of aid to push them to the top of the list.  But they are not there at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are the wealthy Muslim contries such as Saudi Arabia?  Since they have very small populations it wouldn't take many dollars of aid to push them to the top of the list.  But they are not there at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever notice how when the news shows the Red Cross in disaster areas it&#039;s referred to as The *American* Red Cross?  When&#039;s the last time you ever saw the french or german red cross in action anywhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever notice how when the news shows the Red Cross in disaster areas it's referred to as The *American* Red Cross?  When's the last time you ever saw the french or german red cross in action anywhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Attila Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_generosity/comment-page-1/#comment-30690</link>
		<dc:creator>Attila Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The private aid issue is important: Americans are very generous personally, and will be giving through church groups, the Red Cross, UNICEF, and the like. 

Beyond that, the fact that we spend as much on our military as we do frees up other Western European nations to be more generous with their public funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The private aid issue is important: Americans are very generous personally, and will be giving through church groups, the Red Cross, UNICEF, and the like. </p>
<p>Beyond that, the fact that we spend as much on our military as we do frees up other Western European nations to be more generous with their public funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discussion appears to cover only government aid. How about private aid? I got the impression from Mr. Egelands&#039;s comments that voluntary contributions don&#039;t count for much in his estimation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion appears to cover only government aid. How about private aid? I got the impression from Mr. Egelands's comments that voluntary contributions don't count for much in his estimation.</p>
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		<title>By: IMAO</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMAO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fixin&#039; The Stingy&lt;/strong&gt;
Who you calling Stingy? When you first heard of this United Nation&#039;s Twerp calling us stingy, you probably had one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Fixin' The Stingy</strong><br />
Who you calling Stingy? When you first heard of this United Nation's Twerp calling us stingy, you probably had one...</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that they don&#039;t count military spending as part of emergency relief, since there are going to be a huge number of U.S. military personnel and equipment in the Indian Ocean for the near future, at taxpayer expense. None of that will probably show up on the balance sheet.

Further, there&#039;s no mention of the amount of &lt;em&gt;private&lt;/em&gt; giving by U.S. individuals to aid organizations like the Red Cross, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that they don't count military spending as part of emergency relief, since there are going to be a huge number of U.S. military personnel and equipment in the Indian Ocean for the near future, at taxpayer expense. None of that will probably show up on the balance sheet.</p>
<p>Further, there's no mention of the amount of <em>private</em> giving by U.S. individuals to aid organizations like the Red Cross, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Sortapundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sortapundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Generosity&lt;/strong&gt;
In 2002, global humanitarian contributions totalled $5,158,715,024 (according to the OCHA). Of that $5+billion, guess how much came from the US...

$1,889,580,423 (36%)

The following year they decided not to donate as much. Instead, they donated...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Generosity</strong><br />
In 2002, global humanitarian contributions totalled $5,158,715,024 (according to the OCHA). Of that $5+billion, guess how much came from the US...</p>
<p>$1,889,580,423 (36%)</p>
<p>The following year they decided not to donate as much. Instead, they donated...</p>
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