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	<title>Comments on: U.S. Involved in Iraq Longer than WWII</title>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_involved_in_iraq_longer_than_wwii_/comment-page-1/#comment-105181</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll use round numbers so as not to confuse you.

16 million served in WWII.  
500,000 killed (just over three percent)

140,000 troops NOW in Iraq.  Less than 3,000 killed (just over two percent) using that number for THIS YEAR ONLY.

I can&#039;t locate any reliable numbers as to the total amount of troops that have served in Iraq to date, but if you figure 150,000 per year since it started, you get about 550,000 pairs of boots on the ground.  This makes our figure more like half of one percent.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll use round numbers so as not to confuse you.</p>
<p>16 million served in WWII.<br />
500,000 killed (just over three percent)</p>
<p>140,000 troops NOW in Iraq.  Less than 3,000 killed (just over two percent) using that number for THIS YEAR ONLY.</p>
<p>I can't locate any reliable numbers as to the total amount of troops that have served in Iraq to date, but if you figure 150,000 per year since it started, you get about 550,000 pairs of boots on the ground.  This makes our figure more like half of one percent.</p>
<p>Your point was?</p>
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		<title>By: madmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and how many men were fighting in WW2 to get 6600 deaths per month...and fighting how many people...now which has the higher percentage of deaths?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and how many men were fighting in WW2 to get 6600 deaths per month...and fighting how many people...now which has the higher percentage of deaths?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Can you document all these postwar attacks on occupying US forces in Germany &amp; Japan, or is it just something you heard from Rush?&lt;/em&gt; 

Oh, like you didn&#039;t know the answer before you asked, Anjin-san.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Can you document all these postwar attacks on occupying US forces in Germany &amp; Japan, or is it just something you heard from Rush?</em> </p>
<p>Oh, like you didn't know the answer before you asked, Anjin-san.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McGuire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comparison is ludricrous at best. During WWII, we bombed Germany and Japan into rubble, totally destroying their infrastructure, killing millions of their population. Remember Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the fire bombing of Dresden? 

Now we use precision guided weapons to prevent collateral damage and spend more time fighting public opinion regarding civilian casualties than we do the enemy.

If you want a real comparison between the two conflicts, drop a couple of well placed nukes around Baghdad and see how quickly this all comes to a screeching halt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comparison is ludricrous at best. During WWII, we bombed Germany and Japan into rubble, totally destroying their infrastructure, killing millions of their population. Remember Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the fire bombing of Dresden? </p>
<p>Now we use precision guided weapons to prevent collateral damage and spend more time fighting public opinion regarding civilian casualties than we do the enemy.</p>
<p>If you want a real comparison between the two conflicts, drop a couple of well placed nukes around Baghdad and see how quickly this all comes to a screeching halt.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never ceases to amaze how the anti-war crowd likes to rewrite history.  Barely noticed in Korea?  I think the North &#039;notices&#039; the line of mines, razor wire, and American troops with live ammunition.

So what&#039;s the point of this comparison again?  The left wants us to start incendiary bombing Iraqi cities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never ceases to amaze how the anti-war crowd likes to rewrite history.  Barely noticed in Korea?  I think the North 'notices' the line of mines, razor wire, and American troops with live ammunition.</p>
<p>So what's the point of this comparison again?  The left wants us to start incendiary bombing Iraqi cities?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 04:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit,

Can you document all these postwar attacks on occupying US forces in Germany &amp; Japan, or is it just something you heard from Rush?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit,</p>
<p>Can you document all these postwar attacks on occupying US forces in Germany &amp; Japan, or is it just something you heard from Rush?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Um, Cirby &amp; Bithead, the Germans aren’t blowing us up every day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They certainly were following the war, however, and that&#039;s the point. Had we followed your advice in both those cases, Germany and Japan would not be the countries of the world they are today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Um, Cirby &amp; Bithead, the Germans aren&rsquo;t blowing us up every day.</p></blockquote>
<p>They certainly were following the war, however, and that's the point. Had we followed your advice in both those cases, Germany and Japan would not be the countries of the world they are today.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 01:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The WW2 analogy, as various people have noted either implicitly or explicitly, is fairly misplaced as even successful counterinsurgency operations tend to last substantially longer than conventional wars. They&#039;re generally a slow burn. 

Although they were broadly at a far lower level of intensity than Iraq, the Malayan Emergency lasted over a decade and the Hukbalahap rebellion was only a couple of years shorter.

None of that&#039;s to say that Iraq is going anything other than very, very badly, mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WW2 analogy, as various people have noted either implicitly or explicitly, is fairly misplaced as even successful counterinsurgency operations tend to last substantially longer than conventional wars. They're generally a slow burn. </p>
<p>Although they were broadly at a far lower level of intensity than Iraq, the Malayan Emergency lasted over a decade and the Hukbalahap rebellion was only a couple of years shorter.</p>
<p>None of that's to say that Iraq is going anything other than very, very badly, mind.</p>
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		<title>By: jpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was the post-war occupation of conquered land in WWII anything at all like quelling a civil war?  If not, the WWII comparisons are completely apropos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was the post-war occupation of conquered land in WWII anything at all like quelling a civil war?  If not, the WWII comparisons are completely apropos.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The YahooNews headline is playing a typical MSM shell game.  Some have already been listed. Others include that we were involve in WWII before we ever declared war. Including unofficially supplying military units and supplies to China, England and Russia.  
The Korean War is not officially over. It ended in a temporary cease-fire agreement that has lasted for the most part all this time and U.S. troops do participate in active combat patrols along the border. 

If one go by what was historically typically considered the length of the war then Iraq lasted weeks. The violence now in Iraq would be considered local unrest. Do time change and can war be redefine? Of course, but to considered the to wars equal when they have different definitions is dishonest.  

I won’t even get into the debate that if we follow the same rules and threw everything we could into the current conflict like we did in WWII the situation would be different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The YahooNews headline is playing a typical MSM shell game.  Some have already been listed. Others include that we were involve in WWII before we ever declared war. Including unofficially supplying military units and supplies to China, England and Russia.<br />
The Korean War is not officially over. It ended in a temporary cease-fire agreement that has lasted for the most part all this time and U.S. troops do participate in active combat patrols along the border. </p>
<p>If one go by what was historically typically considered the length of the war then Iraq lasted weeks. The violence now in Iraq would be considered local unrest. Do time change and can war be redefine? Of course, but to considered the to wars equal when they have different definitions is dishonest.  </p>
<p>I won&rsquo;t even get into the debate that if we follow the same rules and threw everything we could into the current conflict like we did in WWII the situation would be different.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
I agree with your larger point but I wouldn&#039;t characterize the US presence in South Korea as &quot;barely noticed&quot;.  There have been several rallies in Seoul and elsewhere protesting the US presence there, and I&#039;ve seen polls showing that a large number of South Koreans want the US out of their country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
I agree with your larger point but I wouldn't characterize the US presence in South Korea as "barely noticed".  There have been several rallies in Seoul and elsewhere protesting the US presence there, and I've seen polls showing that a large number of South Koreans want the US out of their country.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson is right, post-war Germany and Japan were nothing like post &quot;Mission Accomplished&quot; Iraq is.  

And I don&#039;t see how you can possibly equate US activities in South Korea with our activities in Iraq.  How many times do US troops setup armed checkpoints in Seoul?  We are a barely noticed presence there.  In Iraq, we are more noticeable than the Iraqi government, we are involved in every aspect of that country&#039;s life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson is right, post-war Germany and Japan were nothing like post "Mission Accomplished" Iraq is.  </p>
<p>And I don't see how you can possibly equate US activities in South Korea with our activities in Iraq.  How many times do US troops setup armed checkpoints in Seoul?  We are a barely noticed presence there.  In Iraq, we are more noticeable than the Iraqi government, we are involved in every aspect of that country's life.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Cirby &amp; Bithead, the Germans aren&#039;t blowing us up every day.

&lt;i&gt;In the case of WWII, we are stopping with V-J Day and not counting the post-war occupation and nation-building activities, which lasted until 1952.&lt;/i&gt;

Nor were the Japanese attacking us; I&#039;m finishing Manchester&#039;s bio of MacArthur right now, and the Americans were positively spooked at how completely the vanquished accepted the occupation.  A few random assassination plots here &amp; there, but nothing remotely comparable to Iraq post-April 2003.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Cirby &amp; Bithead, the Germans aren't blowing us up every day.</p>
<p><i>In the case of WWII, we are stopping with V-J Day and not counting the post-war occupation and nation-building activities, which lasted until 1952.</i></p>
<p>Nor were the Japanese attacking us; I'm finishing Manchester's bio of MacArthur right now, and the Americans were positively spooked at how completely the vanquished accepted the occupation.  A few random assassination plots here &amp; there, but nothing remotely comparable to Iraq post-April 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly so, cirby. 
The real issue here is not the length of the war, but the length of involvement afterward. ANyone making the argument that Yahoo &quot;news&quot; does is clearly tryiung to score a hit on THe White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly so, cirby.<br />
The real issue here is not the length of the war, but the length of involvement afterward. ANyone making the argument that Yahoo "news" does is clearly tryiung to score a hit on THe White House.</p>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comparing Iraq And World War II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comparing Iraq And World War II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Second, as James Joyner points out, you can make a convincing argument that the Iraq War was really just a continuation of the Persian Gulf War, which started in August 1990 when Iraq invaded Kuwait. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Second, as James Joyner points out, you can make a convincing argument that the Iraq War was really just a continuation of the Persian Gulf War, which started in August 1990 when Iraq invaded Kuwait. [...]</p>
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