Comments on: Unreported Stories http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/usnewscom_john_leo_wonders_about_news_that_doesnt_make_the_news_why_the_media_ignore_some_stories_61305/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:55:42 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Robin Roberts http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/usnewscom_john_leo_wonders_about_news_that_doesnt_make_the_news_why_the_media_ignore_some_stories_61305/comment-page-1/#comment-47936 Robin Roberts Mon, 06 Jun 2005 05:16:46 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/10830#comment-47936 Jim, your comment is full of misrepresentations of US policy and actions. But the bottom line is that Guantanamo Bay isn't a human rights violation. Jim, your comment is full of misrepresentations of US policy and actions. But the bottom line is that Guantanamo Bay isn't a human rights violation.

]]> By: Just Me http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/usnewscom_john_leo_wonders_about_news_that_doesnt_make_the_news_why_the_media_ignore_some_stories_61305/comment-page-1/#comment-47909 Just Me Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:52:37 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/10830#comment-47909 "Also, is this famous Al Qaeda training manual on the web anywhere in translation? " I know I saw a link to the manual at La Shawn Barber's blog about the time the Newsweek story came out. The link was to the DOJ's website where the whole manual was posted. The manual was captured I think in a raid somewhere in Europe (UK or Spain maybe?). "Also, is this famous Al Qaeda training manual on the web anywhere in translation? "

I know I saw a link to the manual at La Shawn Barber's blog about the time the Newsweek story came out. The link was to the DOJ's website where the whole manual was posted. The manual was captured I think in a raid somewhere in Europe (UK or Spain maybe?).

]]> By: Jim Henley http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/usnewscom_john_leo_wonders_about_news_that_doesnt_make_the_news_why_the_media_ignore_some_stories_61305/comment-page-1/#comment-47889 Jim Henley Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:38:09 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/10830#comment-47889 The ironies are thick here. Frex, I'd like to hear a principled case why the good post-Westphalians who argue that the US has a right to enforce human rights violations anywhere on the globe - e.g. overthrowing governments; snatching terror and war crimes suspects and packing them off to Diego Garcia or the Hague (Milosevic et al) - think that other countries somehow DON'T have the right to enforce human rights violations committed by the US. Warbloggers laugh, for instance, at Belgian pretensions to apply their human rights standards globally, but why is it less just for Belgium to do this than the US? It is certainly the case that ex-detainees have an incentive to lie - at least as much incentive as, oh, Iraqi and now Iranian defectors do. It was standard intelligence bureaucracy procedure, in fact, to treat defector reports with the utmost skepticism in the days before the Office of Special Plans. So some defectors will lie, yes. But some of the details of detainee allegations have been confirmed both in official Pentagon reports and from less official venues like the FBI e-mails and on and off-the-record statements by US personnel with firsthand knowledge. The secondary US sources incline any reasonable person to the possibility that official US sources will lie too. Also, is this famous Al Qaeda training manual on the web anywhere in translation? Reports of its contents - this particular, exculpatory part anyway - have sprouted through the apologiasphere in a matter of days. It would be interesting to read the original. The ironies are thick here. Frex, I'd like to hear a principled case why the good post-Westphalians who argue that the US has a right to enforce human rights violations anywhere on the globe - e.g. overthrowing governments; snatching terror and war crimes suspects and packing them off to Diego Garcia or the Hague (Milosevic et al) - think that other countries somehow DON'T have the right to enforce human rights violations committed by the US. Warbloggers laugh, for instance, at Belgian pretensions to apply their human rights standards globally, but why is it less just for Belgium to do this than the US?

It is certainly the case that ex-detainees have an incentive to lie - at least as much incentive as, oh, Iraqi and now Iranian defectors do. It was standard intelligence bureaucracy procedure, in fact, to treat defector reports with the utmost skepticism in the days before the Office of Special Plans.

So some defectors will lie, yes. But some of the details of detainee allegations have been confirmed both in official Pentagon reports and from less official venues like the FBI e-mails and on and off-the-record statements by US personnel with firsthand knowledge. The secondary US sources incline any reasonable person to the possibility that official US sources will lie too.

Also, is this famous Al Qaeda training manual on the web anywhere in translation? Reports of its contents - this particular, exculpatory part anyway - have sprouted through the apologiasphere in a matter of days. It would be interesting to read the original.

]]> By: Cadillac Tight http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/usnewscom_john_leo_wonders_about_news_that_doesnt_make_the_news_why_the_media_ignore_some_stories_61305/comment-page-1/#comment-47886 Cadillac Tight Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:31:11 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/10830#comment-47886 <strong>Reveille</strong> Greyhawk does the Dawn Patrol Dr. Joyner examines unreported stories Donald Sensing explains the difference between the Koran and the Bible Dean Esmay defends his right to criticize the press Dr. Taylor reports on the discovery of a huge batch... Reveille

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