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		<title>By: Hearts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hearts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She said she wants to be President at &#039;Vanity Fair&#039; when she admitted she was CIA operations officer paramilitarily trained.  Maybe that was her goal all along and not the Deputy Director of FSB?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She said she wants to be President at 'Vanity Fair' when she admitted she was CIA operations officer paramilitarily trained.  Maybe that was her goal all along and not the Deputy Director of FSB?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Ehrlich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Ehrlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 05:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plame, in a sense outed herself.  By involving herself in a mission in which she had a desired outcome, she was meddling in national politics.  Her statement (the crazy notion that Saddam tried to buy uranium in Niger) and Joe Wilson stand against the war.  The up coming election also plays a part.  Wilson&#039;s faulty belief that diplomacy can settle all disputes.  All of these things play a part, but when Plame recommended (do what degree needs to be investigated) her unqualified husband to bring back the results that would verify her position.  The process of outing herself had begun.  Wilson indirectly indicated Chaney sent him to Niger.  That inference was picked up by the media and became a truth.  Well it was not.  Wilson lied about what he found, he lied about documents, and we will never know what else.  Why is it that Libby is in jeopardy for perjury, that he may or may not have committed, and the liar Wilson, and his wife, who he commonly introduced as his CIA wife, get no scrutiny what so ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plame, in a sense outed herself.  By involving herself in a mission in which she had a desired outcome, she was meddling in national politics.  Her statement (the crazy notion that Saddam tried to buy uranium in Niger) and Joe Wilson stand against the war.  The up coming election also plays a part.  Wilson's faulty belief that diplomacy can settle all disputes.  All of these things play a part, but when Plame recommended (do what degree needs to be investigated) her unqualified husband to bring back the results that would verify her position.  The process of outing herself had begun.  Wilson indirectly indicated Chaney sent him to Niger.  That inference was picked up by the media and became a truth.  Well it was not.  Wilson lied about what he found, he lied about documents, and we will never know what else.  Why is it that Libby is in jeopardy for perjury, that he may or may not have committed, and the liar Wilson, and his wife, who he commonly introduced as his CIA wife, get no scrutiny what so ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Elmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s late .... I&#039;m tired. So, forgive me if I go back through the other comments in the morning.

&quot;What&#039;s next for Valerie Plame?&quot;

Well, let&#039;s see? She and Hubby both screwed the country. I&#039;m thinking a career at vivid.com would seem like a natural.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's late .... I'm tired. So, forgive me if I go back through the other comments in the morning.</p>
<p>"What's next for Valerie Plame?"</p>
<p>Well, let's see? She and Hubby both screwed the country. I'm thinking a career at vivid.com would seem like a natural.</p>
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		<title>By: Pug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 03:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone tell me why, if Valerie Wilson was just a desk jockey, the CIA requested an investigation shortly after Robert Novak&#039;s article naming her was published?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone tell me why, if Valerie Wilson was just a desk jockey, the CIA requested an investigation shortly after Robert Novak's article naming her was published?</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 02:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Virtually everyone agrees that she wasnât working in an undercover capacity anymore...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since her employment was classified, in other words James, secret, I would say that virtually no one, no one you would know anyway, actually knew a thing about her real employment status. And those that did know where sworn by blood oath (or its modern equivilent) to secrecy.  

It was the very revalation of her classified, secret, covert, employment at the CIA that prompted the CIA to refer that action to the Justice department for criminal prosecution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Virtually everyone agrees that she wasnât working in an undercover capacity anymore...</p></blockquote>
<p>Since her employment was classified, in other words James, secret, I would say that virtually no one, no one you would know anyway, actually knew a thing about her real employment status. And those that did know where sworn by blood oath (or its modern equivilent) to secrecy.  </p>
<p>It was the very revalation of her classified, secret, covert, employment at the CIA that prompted the CIA to refer that action to the Justice department for criminal prosecution.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Iâm not out to discredit her, merely the media notion that she was a female James Bond.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well she was a secret agent. Isn&#039;t that closer to being a female James Bond that some blogger in his pajamas working all whiskery out of his bedroom? 

In the publics mind, her career was exotic, exciting and mysterious. She has, as required by her employer, never said anything publicly about her real job, even to this day. And those who know, aren&#039;t talking. 

You can try to discredit her if you want to but the public image of her you will never dispell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Iâm not out to discredit her, merely the media notion that she was a female James Bond.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well she was a secret agent. Isn't that closer to being a female James Bond that some blogger in his pajamas working all whiskery out of his bedroom? </p>
<p>In the publics mind, her career was exotic, exciting and mysterious. She has, as required by her employer, never said anything publicly about her real job, even to this day. And those who know, aren't talking. </p>
<p>You can try to discredit her if you want to but the public image of her you will never dispell.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 02:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Valerie Plame and a whole bunch of her CIA colleagues should be fired because they have been engaged in spying against Americans.
In the midst of all of this Karl Rove\Valerie Plame controversy I have heard Valerie Plame described as being involved in &quot;WMD counter-proliferation&quot;. That&#039;s not entirely true however. She and her coworkers were also engaged in spying on Americans inside America. I know. She called me in spring of 2003 pretending to be with Brewster-Jennings. Following that I got a call from &quot;Gail Heights&quot; at University Services trying to get information. As many of you may remember, Gail Heights was the alias used by Gao Zhan the Chinese scholar who was convicted of exporting microprocessors to Communist China. This was just one of many attempts by Valerie Plame and her
colleagues to get inside my life.
   For a lot more information, see my website at:
http://www.tomchristianonline.com/

Tom Christian
Weston, FL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Valerie Plame and a whole bunch of her CIA colleagues should be fired because they have been engaged in spying against Americans.<br />
In the midst of all of this Karl Rove\Valerie Plame controversy I have heard Valerie Plame described as being involved in "WMD counter-proliferation". That's not entirely true however. She and her coworkers were also engaged in spying on Americans inside America. I know. She called me in spring of 2003 pretending to be with Brewster-Jennings. Following that I got a call from "Gail Heights" at University Services trying to get information. As many of you may remember, Gail Heights was the alias used by Gao Zhan the Chinese scholar who was convicted of exporting microprocessors to Communist China. This was just one of many attempts by Valerie Plame and her<br />
colleagues to get inside my life.<br />
   For a lot more information, see my website at:<br />
<a href="http://www.tomchristianonline.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomchristianonline.com/</a></p>
<p>Tom Christian<br />
Weston, FL</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 02:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said &quot;the available evidence actually points the other way.&quot;

I didn&#039;t say &quot;proves&quot; because that would be unsupported.

I&#039;m afraid though that you don&#039;t have much that &quot;points&quot; your way ... it strikes me as little more than hope, that dispite the evidence, Libby did not know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said "the available evidence actually points the other way."</p>
<p>I didn't say "proves" because that would be unsupported.</p>
<p>I'm afraid though that you don't have much that "points" your way ... it strikes me as little more than hope, that dispite the evidence, Libby did not know.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 01:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odo:  Not sure that the Kos link proves anything of the sort.  All it says is that Libby knew that Plame worked for the CIA in the CPD.  

Well, yeah.  

The whole point was that the CIA folks gathering intel on Iraq WMD sent Joe Wilson--who is neither a WMD expert nor an Africa expert--to Niger to verify the yellowcake story.  In trying to figure out how that happened, Cheney asked Tenet and he told him that Wilson&#039;s wife recommended him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odo:  Not sure that the Kos link proves anything of the sort.  All it says is that Libby knew that Plame worked for the CIA in the CPD.  </p>
<p>Well, yeah.  </p>
<p>The whole point was that the CIA folks gathering intel on Iraq WMD sent Joe Wilson--who is neither a WMD expert nor an Africa expert--to Niger to verify the yellowcake story.  In trying to figure out how that happened, Cheney asked Tenet and he told him that Wilson's wife recommended him.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 01:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as your bafflement ... maybe it&#039;s because he has a gang of FBI guys, and you and I don&#039;t ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as your bafflement ... maybe it's because he has a gang of FBI guys, and you and I don't ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 01:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Further, itâs rather clear that âoutingâ her was inadvertant in the sense that the only point was to cast aspersions on Joe Wilsonâs mission. They werenât trying to punish him by risking his wifeâs life and career; they were merely pointing out the his mission for the CIA was recommended by his wife, who worked there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, not only is this unsupported by the evidence, the available evidence actually points the other way &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/28/155633/39&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;daily kos story&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Further, itâs rather clear that âoutingâ her was inadvertant in the sense that the only point was to cast aspersions on Joe Wilsonâs mission. They werenât trying to punish him by risking his wifeâs life and career; they were merely pointing out the his mission for the CIA was recommended by his wife, who worked there.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, not only is this unsupported by the evidence, the available evidence actually points the other way <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/28/155633/39" rel="nofollow">daily kos story</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 01:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ken:  &lt;/strong&gt;

I don&#039;t have much regard for Joe Wilson but have no anomosity towards his wife.  Beyond her name and a few vague details about her career, my impression of Valerie Plame Wilson is that she&#039;s a very bright, attractive woman who has served well.  I&#039;m not out to discredit her, merely the media notion that she was a female James Bond.  

It was fine to maintain that pretense in the beginning; my initial posts operated under that presumption.  It quickly turned out not to be the case.

Virtually everyone agrees that she wasn&#039;t working in an undercover capacity anymore and that, owing to her marriage to a high profile diplomat and other factors, wasn&#039;t going to again.

Further, it&#039;s rather clear that &quot;outing&quot; her was inadvertant in the sense that the only point was to cast aspersions on Joe Wilson&#039;s mission.  They weren&#039;t trying to punish him by risking his wife&#039;s life and career; they were merely pointing out the his mission for the CIA was recommended by his wife, who worked there.

&lt;strong&gt;odo:&lt;/strong&gt;

Click the links in the article above.  I know Fitzgerald said that but I&#039;m baffled by that assertion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>ken:  </strong></p>
<p>I don't have much regard for Joe Wilson but have no anomosity towards his wife.  Beyond her name and a few vague details about her career, my impression of Valerie Plame Wilson is that she's a very bright, attractive woman who has served well.  I'm not out to discredit her, merely the media notion that she was a female James Bond.  </p>
<p>It was fine to maintain that pretense in the beginning; my initial posts operated under that presumption.  It quickly turned out not to be the case.</p>
<p>Virtually everyone agrees that she wasn't working in an undercover capacity anymore and that, owing to her marriage to a high profile diplomat and other factors, wasn't going to again.</p>
<p>Further, it's rather clear that "outing" her was inadvertant in the sense that the only point was to cast aspersions on Joe Wilson's mission.  They weren't trying to punish him by risking his wife's life and career; they were merely pointing out the his mission for the CIA was recommended by his wife, who worked there.</p>
<p><strong>odo:</strong></p>
<p>Click the links in the article above.  I know Fitzgerald said that but I'm baffled by that assertion.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, your anger at Valerie Plame for having been a covert CIA operative until outed by republican administration officials is peculiar. 

What has she ever done, except serve her country in an very important yet highly dangerous job, that gets you so upset? 

I don&#039;t understand why conservatives, yourself included, are trying to discredit her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, your anger at Valerie Plame for having been a covert CIA operative until outed by republican administration officials is peculiar. </p>
<p>What has she ever done, except serve her country in an very important yet highly dangerous job, that gets you so upset? </p>
<p>I don't understand why conservatives, yourself included, are trying to discredit her.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>s/knows/known (sorry)</description>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you listen to Fitzgerald&#039;s press conference?

I thought he made a very strong statement that Plame&#039;s position was &quot;classified&quot; and &quot;not knows outside the intellegence community.&quot;

He also made a very strong statement that she was &quot;blown&quot; first by Novak.

Compare and contrast to the rightist talking point:

&quot;Or, she may not. If her career was derailed to begin with.&quot;

Come on man, Fitzgerald is a smart guy saying just as much as he can say ... and what he says contradicts this assertion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you listen to Fitzgerald's press conference?</p>
<p>I thought he made a very strong statement that Plame's position was "classified" and "not knows outside the intellegence community."</p>
<p>He also made a very strong statement that she was "blown" first by Novak.</p>
<p>Compare and contrast to the rightist talking point:</p>
<p>"Or, she may not. If her career was derailed to begin with."</p>
<p>Come on man, Fitzgerald is a smart guy saying just as much as he can say ... and what he says contradicts this assertion.</p>
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