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		<title>By: mavric1919</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/video_proves_obama_an_alien/comment-page-1/#comment-517176</link>
		<dc:creator>mavric1919</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying he is or he isn&#039;t. But the funny thing to me is that Obama gave the information to Factcheck.org and not the courts to get this whole mess thrown out.. If it were me and I could clear it up in no time I would by showing the judge my stuff and that will be that.. not give it to a web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not saying he is or he isn't. But the funny thing to me is that Obama gave the information to Factcheck.org and not the courts to get this whole mess thrown out.. If it were me and I could clear it up in no time I would by showing the judge my stuff and that will be that.. not give it to a web site.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James; 
 So you don&#039;t care if Axelrod&#039;s puppet is legally a candidate or not? Worse you would circumvent the constitution to allow his presidency?
If not,at least,your pontification above clearly supports these things. 
Yet, Palin is not qualified to be VP, because she insisted on firing a trooper who had tasered his child, abused his wife and threatened the governor and her family.
 I look forward to your fever subsiding on or about November 5th, and the return of the rational James Joyner we all love and respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James;<br />
 So you don't care if Axelrod's puppet is legally a candidate or not? Worse you would circumvent the constitution to allow his presidency?<br />
If not,at least,your pontification above clearly supports these things.<br />
Yet, Palin is not qualified to be VP, because she insisted on firing a trooper who had tasered his child, abused his wife and threatened the governor and her family.<br />
 I look forward to your fever subsiding on or about November 5th, and the return of the rational James Joyner we all love and respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t laughed this hard at a thread in a while.  I&#039;m about 85% sure that &quot;mannning&quot; is actually Triumph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven't laughed this hard at a thread in a while.  I'm about 85% sure that "mannning" is actually Triumph.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we are to accept Factcheck without any questions? I think not. Let the courts decide, not some private organization. One might ask how it is that FC was given access and not the court, as is claimed?  

More fog on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we are to accept Factcheck without any questions? I think not. Let the courts decide, not some private organization. One might ask how it is that FC was given access and not the court, as is claimed?  </p>
<p>More fog on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsweek.com/id/154599&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Born in the U.S.A.&lt;/a&gt;

The truth about Obama&#039;s birth certificate.
By Jess Henig &#124; factcheck.org

&lt;blockquote&gt;Summary 
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document&#039;s authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is &quot;fake.&quot; 

 

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as &quot;supporting documents&quot; to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, this is nothing but a pack of lies as everyone knows that FactCheck is in the tank for Obama, and, I mean, really, Newsweek? The MSM??? If Jerome Corsi says it&#039;s a fake, that should be good enough for anybody. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/154599" rel="nofollow">Born in the U.S.A.</a></p>
<p>The truth about Obama's birth certificate.<br />
By Jess Henig | factcheck.org</p>
<blockquote><p>Summary<br />
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake." </p>
<p>We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, this is nothing but a pack of lies as everyone knows that FactCheck is in the tank for Obama, and, I mean, really, Newsweek? The MSM??? If Jerome Corsi says it's a fake, that should be good enough for anybody. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have consistently assumed that I believe Obama is an alien.  I have not said that anywhere.
I take the position that, if there is any question about his citizenship, it should be properly settled by the government.  Further, since a court is reviewing the evidence, which happened much before this series of posts, I have said that this is a proper thing to happen, and that the courts would come to a final determination. 

I am indeed very interested in the outcome of the court&#039;s deliberations, and will accept their authority on the matter.  Everyone else seems to believe that the issue already decided, when the current court has not delivered its opinion yet;
even those who do not have direct access to the evidence! 

It would not be the first time that forged documents and complicity have been used to garner native-born citizenship. Why not settle the matter in a legal manner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have consistently assumed that I believe Obama is an alien.  I have not said that anywhere.<br />
I take the position that, if there is any question about his citizenship, it should be properly settled by the government.  Further, since a court is reviewing the evidence, which happened much before this series of posts, I have said that this is a proper thing to happen, and that the courts would come to a final determination. </p>
<p>I am indeed very interested in the outcome of the court's deliberations, and will accept their authority on the matter.  Everyone else seems to believe that the issue already decided, when the current court has not delivered its opinion yet;<br />
even those who do not have direct access to the evidence! </p>
<p>It would not be the first time that forged documents and complicity have been used to garner native-born citizenship. Why not settle the matter in a legal manner?</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is a legal proof of citizenship, which has been verified by the State of Hawaii. Unless you want to accuse the State of Hawaii of fraud, there isn&#039;t much to deliberate upon. What proof do you have that you are a citizen, manning?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry, but the legal proof has not been verified by the federal government--as yet--to my knowledge. 

As to my proof of citizenship, it has been verified by every government entity in the path, from State through Federal, multiple times, and by several security agencies, of which I have the proof as well. I can stand up in court and show well-documented evidence of my citizenship. That is a wrong tack to take, Michael--LOL!

You just might know, or maybe not, that the certificate of birth is not the final governing document. &lt;em&gt;Entry into the Registry of 
Births is the final authority&lt;/em&gt;. That may well be examined by the investigators in Hawaii to remove all doubt as to the provenance of Obama&#039;s cetificate.

Why shouldn&#039;t the candidate for president have to submit at least the details I did from birth till now? He will have high level accesses I never knew existed. 

He provided an electronic copy of his birth certificate, about which there is a question. He has not provided an embossed original--as yet--which he claims now to have in his possession, but has not released it.

This is very simply a question of the Constitutionality of Obama&#039;s candidacy. Why is it that you think the court should not examine the evidence and make a clear and complete decision?
That is my opinion. 

I find that those who quibble on this point want to subvert the Constitution in this case, or to smear the question over as &quot;tin hat&quot;. That is the height of trollsmanship, in my opinion.

That is unacceptable for an American citizen to champion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is a legal proof of citizenship, which has been verified by the State of Hawaii. Unless you want to accuse the State of Hawaii of fraud, there isn't much to deliberate upon. What proof do you have that you are a citizen, manning?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, but the legal proof has not been verified by the federal government--as yet--to my knowledge. </p>
<p>As to my proof of citizenship, it has been verified by every government entity in the path, from State through Federal, multiple times, and by several security agencies, of which I have the proof as well. I can stand up in court and show well-documented evidence of my citizenship. That is a wrong tack to take, Michael--LOL!</p>
<p>You just might know, or maybe not, that the certificate of birth is not the final governing document. <em>Entry into the Registry of<br />
Births is the final authority</em>. That may well be examined by the investigators in Hawaii to remove all doubt as to the provenance of Obama's cetificate.</p>
<p>Why shouldn't the candidate for president have to submit at least the details I did from birth till now? He will have high level accesses I never knew existed. </p>
<p>He provided an electronic copy of his birth certificate, about which there is a question. He has not provided an embossed original--as yet--which he claims now to have in his possession, but has not released it.</p>
<p>This is very simply a question of the Constitutionality of Obama's candidacy. Why is it that you think the court should not examine the evidence and make a clear and complete decision?<br />
That is my opinion. </p>
<p>I find that those who quibble on this point want to subvert the Constitution in this case, or to smear the question over as "tin hat". That is the height of trollsmanship, in my opinion.</p>
<p>That is unacceptable for an American citizen to champion.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Michael, please don&#039;t feed the troll.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh you&#039;re right, thanks for the intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Michael, please don't feed the troll.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh you're right, thanks for the intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, please don&#039;t feed the troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, please don't feed the troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Michael: I have not commented on the citizenship of Obama&#039;s Mother. But, if he was born other than in the US, the fact of her citizenship and age is of direct importance under the laws governing native born status at that time.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;His mother met the citizenship and age requirements for Barack to be given citizenship rights by birth, even if he wasn&#039;t born in the USA, which he was.  Unless you want to accuse the State of Kansas of forging birth certificates too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Michael: I have not commented on the citizenship of Obama's Mother. But, if he was born other than in the US, the fact of her citizenship and age is of direct importance under the laws governing native born status at that time.
</p></blockquote>
<p>His mother met the citizenship and age requirements for Barack to be given citizenship rights by birth, even if he wasn't born in the USA, which he was.  Unless you want to accuse the State of Kansas of forging birth certificates too.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am sure that the electronic documents in question, and the expertise of Strata will be useful in the court&#039;s deliberations on Obama&#039;s true birthplace.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It is a legal proof of citizenship, which has been verified by the State of Hawaii.  Unless you want to accuse the State of Hawaii of fraud, there isn&#039;t much to deliberate upon.  What proof do you have that &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; are a citizen, manning?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am also sure that the testimony or depositions of his Mother and others will be of use to the judge. &lt;/blockquote&gt;His mother is dead, as is his father.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I have not seen proof of such vetting, which would likewise be of consideration for the judge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;He has provided proof of his citizenship through birth right, verified by the authority of the State of Hawaii.  What do you want, stone tablets being sent down from heaven?

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is sad that this issue has not been addressed properly by Obama himself by furnishing all evidence of his birthplace freely and openly to the government and the public.&lt;/blockquote&gt;He provided his damned birth certificate!  What the hell more is there that he could provide?  What are you not getting about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am sure that the electronic documents in question, and the expertise of Strata will be useful in the court's deliberations on Obama's true birthplace.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is a legal proof of citizenship, which has been verified by the State of Hawaii.  Unless you want to accuse the State of Hawaii of fraud, there isn't much to deliberate upon.  What proof do you have that <i>you</i> are a citizen, manning?</p>
<blockquote><p>I am also sure that the testimony or depositions of his Mother and others will be of use to the judge. </p></blockquote>
<p>His mother is dead, as is his father.</p>
<blockquote><p>I have not seen proof of such vetting, which would likewise be of consideration for the judge.</p></blockquote>
<p>He has provided proof of his citizenship through birth right, verified by the authority of the State of Hawaii.  What do you want, stone tablets being sent down from heaven?</p>
<blockquote><p>It is sad that this issue has not been addressed properly by Obama himself by furnishing all evidence of his birthplace freely and openly to the government and the public.</p></blockquote>
<p>He provided his damned birth certificate!  What the hell more is there that he could provide?  What are you not getting about this?</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angin-san: shall we let the Courts decide this issue? It is in their hands now, rightly or wrongly. It is a sad commentary that it was necessary to take this issue to court.

Michael: I have not commented on the citizenship of Obama&#039;s Mother. But, if he was born other than in the US, the fact of her citizenship and age is of direct importance under the laws governing native born status at that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angin-san: shall we let the Courts decide this issue? It is in their hands now, rightly or wrongly. It is a sad commentary that it was necessary to take this issue to court.</p>
<p>Michael: I have not commented on the citizenship of Obama's Mother. But, if he was born other than in the US, the fact of her citizenship and age is of direct importance under the laws governing native born status at that time.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder just how many voters in the US consider the provision of native birth for the presidency to be &quot;antiquated&quot; and impotent in the face of a violation of the provision?

Do we have a Constitution or not? Is it the Law of the Land, or is it merely an impediment to those who want this man to be elected?  That many voters for Obama, it is suggested, &lt;em&gt;do not care &lt;/em&gt;that this provision of the Constitution is violated is a terrible commentary on the state of our union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder just how many voters in the US consider the provision of native birth for the presidency to be "antiquated" and impotent in the face of a violation of the provision?</p>
<p>Do we have a Constitution or not? Is it the Law of the Land, or is it merely an impediment to those who want this man to be elected?  That many voters for Obama, it is suggested, <em>do not care </em>that this provision of the Constitution is violated is a terrible commentary on the state of our union.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant provenance, not providence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant provenance, not providence.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank you, Michael, for the reference.  I am sure that the electronic documents in question, and the expertise of Strata will be useful in the court&#039;s deliberations on Obama&#039;s true birthplace. I am also sure that the testimony or depositions of his Mother and others will be of use to the judge. 

As I have said before, I await the courts&#039; decisions, which will hopefully end the matter in a proper legal manner. The US Government is supposed to vet candidates for election to the presidency. I have not seen proof of such vetting, which would likewise be of consideration for the judge.

It is sad that this issue has not been addressed properly by Obama himself by furnishing all evidence of his birthplace freely and openly to the government and the public. We should not be left with the necessity for having self-appointed experts examine what could be a forgery in the first place, the providence of the certificate being a critical question, as well as is the &lt;em&gt;actual registery entry of birth &lt;/em&gt;in Hawaii being of essence to the proof. An original birth certificate would be of real value as well.

It is quite proper for the Courts to examine the evidence and to establish &lt;em&gt;once and for all &lt;/em&gt;the correct situation prior to the election.  I am not surprised at the time it is taking, since there are necessary investigations to be conducted in Hawaii, Kenya, and Indonesia, probably by the FBI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank you, Michael, for the reference.  I am sure that the electronic documents in question, and the expertise of Strata will be useful in the court's deliberations on Obama's true birthplace. I am also sure that the testimony or depositions of his Mother and others will be of use to the judge. </p>
<p>As I have said before, I await the courts' decisions, which will hopefully end the matter in a proper legal manner. The US Government is supposed to vet candidates for election to the presidency. I have not seen proof of such vetting, which would likewise be of consideration for the judge.</p>
<p>It is sad that this issue has not been addressed properly by Obama himself by furnishing all evidence of his birthplace freely and openly to the government and the public. We should not be left with the necessity for having self-appointed experts examine what could be a forgery in the first place, the providence of the certificate being a critical question, as well as is the <em>actual registery entry of birth </em>in Hawaii being of essence to the proof. An original birth certificate would be of real value as well.</p>
<p>It is quite proper for the Courts to examine the evidence and to establish <em>once and for all </em>the correct situation prior to the election.  I am not surprised at the time it is taking, since there are necessary investigations to be conducted in Hawaii, Kenya, and Indonesia, probably by the FBI.</p>
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