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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/voter_fraud_still_fairly_rare/comment-page-1/#comment-518383</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mukasey is obviously in the tank for Obama just like Gonzo and Ashcroft before him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, you really think that the various governmental departments and their career staffers, actualy reflect the attitudes and operative opinions of the termporarily in charge types? You mean to say that the staffers may or may not have political motivations of their own has gotten by you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mukasey is obviously in the tank for Obama just like Gonzo and Ashcroft before him.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, you really think that the various governmental departments and their career staffers, actualy reflect the attitudes and operative opinions of the termporarily in charge types? You mean to say that the staffers may or may not have political motivations of their own has gotten by you?</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit,
Thanks for clarifying that.  I hadn&#039;t realized that it was the Democrats that had politicized the DOJ for the past 8 years.  Mukasey is obviously in the tank for Obama just like Gonzo and Ashcroft before him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit,<br />
Thanks for clarifying that.  I hadn't realized that it was the Democrats that had politicized the DOJ for the past 8 years.  Mukasey is obviously in the tank for Obama just like Gonzo and Ashcroft before him.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/voter_fraud_still_fairly_rare/comment-page-1/#comment-518356</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My dear Bithead,

We know, because one of President Bush&#039;s DOJ voter fraud attorneys SAYS SO IN THE INCLUDED ARTICLE&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and 

&lt;blockquote&gt;So your contention is that the Republican party doesn&#039;t care about finding voter fraud?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You mean &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dcexaminer.com/opinion/columns/QuinHillyer/Quin-essential_cases_No_Righting_Voting_Wrongs_in_Ohio.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;THIS DOJ?&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt; The kicker: The DOJ attorney on the case, former Ted Kennedy-affiliated lawyer James Walsh, is as contributor to the Obama campaign, as is his boss, former ACLU attorney Mark Kappelhoff.

In all, DOJ lawyers and staff in the metro area have donated at least $150,000 to Obama.
No wonder they seem more interested in prosecuting those who warn against vote fraud than enforcing vote-fraud laws.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That DOJ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My dear Bithead,</p>
<p>We know, because one of President Bush's DOJ voter fraud attorneys SAYS SO IN THE INCLUDED ARTICLE</p></blockquote>
<p>and </p>
<blockquote><p>So your contention is that the Republican party doesn't care about finding voter fraud?</p></blockquote>
<p>You mean <a href="http://www.dcexaminer.com/opinion/columns/QuinHillyer/Quin-essential_cases_No_Righting_Voting_Wrongs_in_Ohio.html" rel="nofollow">THIS DOJ?</a></p>
<blockquote><p> The kicker: The DOJ attorney on the case, former Ted Kennedy-affiliated lawyer James Walsh, is as contributor to the Obama campaign, as is his boss, former ACLU attorney Mark Kappelhoff.</p>
<p>In all, DOJ lawyers and staff in the metro area have donated at least $150,000 to Obama.<br />
No wonder they seem more interested in prosecuting those who warn against vote fraud than enforcing vote-fraud laws.</p>
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<p>That DOJ?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Klingman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Klingman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bithead,

So your contention is that the Republican party doesn&#039;t care about finding voter fraud?  Good on you.  I never thought I&#039;d see you criticize the GOP...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bithead,</p>
<p>So your contention is that the Republican party doesn't care about finding voter fraud?  Good on you.  I never thought I'd see you criticize the GOP...</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/voter_fraud_still_fairly_rare/comment-page-1/#comment-518336</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;which ignores the concerted effort to find it&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not really.
It actually just places it in the same bucket as OJ&#039;s search accross every golf course in the country for his wife&#039;s &lt;em&gt;REAL&lt;/em&gt; killers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>which ignores the concerted effort to find it</p></blockquote>
<p>Not really.<br />
It actually just places it in the same bucket as OJ's search accross every golf course in the country for his wife's <em>REAL</em> killers.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Please note, too, that voter fraud is an entirely different beast than registration fraud, which I have covered in other posts.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Watch as I put the hankie into this hand..............

So then  what do you think about argument of the Issues fraud?
Is it rare? well done? overdone? always done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Please note, too, that voter fraud is an entirely different beast than registration fraud, which I have covered in other posts.</p></blockquote>
<p> Watch as I put the hankie into this hand..............</p>
<p>So then  what do you think about argument of the Issues fraud?<br />
Is it rare? well done? overdone? always done?</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, I don&#039;t think I can provide any evidence that you would find acceptable, but I will note that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It is astounding to me that you can acknowledge immense, systematic fraud with voter registration across the country and simultaneously claim that there is little to no actual voter fraud.  Why would voter registration fraud keep happening election after election unless there was some point to it?  Growing up in Chicago and living in St. Louis make your supposition, from my perspective, utterly absurd.

But again, YMMV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, I don't think I can provide any evidence that you would find acceptable, but I will note that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It is astounding to me that you can acknowledge immense, systematic fraud with voter registration across the country and simultaneously claim that there is little to no actual voter fraud.  Why would voter registration fraud keep happening election after election unless there was some point to it?  Growing up in Chicago and living in St. Louis make your supposition, from my perspective, utterly absurd.</p>
<p>But again, YMMV.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He said so, and he was part of investigating vigorously. That&#039;s how we know.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right. And so, we&#039;re supposed to take this guy&#039;s word, after listening to the left complaining for the last eight years about the Bush DOJ utter lack of creds? 


&lt;blockquote&gt;Ok, give me evidence there is some reasonable number of cases slipping through the cracks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/18/in-search-of-the-students-from-ohios-voter-fraud-house/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s one.&lt;/a&gt;
And another...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15082

There&#039;s more, of course, but I&#039;m in something of a hurry at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He said so, and he was part of investigating vigorously. That's how we know.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right. And so, we're supposed to take this guy's word, after listening to the left complaining for the last eight years about the Bush DOJ utter lack of creds? </p>
<blockquote><p>Ok, give me evidence there is some reasonable number of cases slipping through the cracks.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/18/in-search-of-the-students-from-ohios-voter-fraud-house/" rel="nofollow">Here's one.</a><br />
And another...<br />
<a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15082" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15082</a></p>
<p>There's more, of course, but I'm in something of a hurry at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,

Please, by all means, provide evidence that demonstrates that voter fraud isn&#039;t rare.  Otherwise, I&#039;ll go with Mr. Becker, who was a U.S. Attorney in charge of &lt;i&gt;going after voter fraud&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,</p>
<p>Please, by all means, provide evidence that demonstrates that voter fraud isn't rare.  Otherwise, I'll go with Mr. Becker, who was a U.S. Attorney in charge of <i>going after voter fraud</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know nothing about Mr. Becker, but I do know an appeal to authority logic error when I see one. The fact that he was employed by the Bush administration until 2005 means absolutely nothing vis-a-vis the reliability of his assertions or that this somehow gives them the George Bush/Republican seal of approval so all you wing-nuts need to shut the f*&amp;^ up.

This all strikes me as another &quot;nothing to see here, move along&quot; moment, brought to you by the experts of the United States Government, soon to be a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic National Committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know nothing about Mr. Becker, but I do know an appeal to authority logic error when I see one. The fact that he was employed by the Bush administration until 2005 means absolutely nothing vis-a-vis the reliability of his assertions or that this somehow gives them the George Bush/Republican seal of approval so all you wing-nuts need to shut the f*&amp;^ up.</p>
<p>This all strikes me as another "nothing to see here, move along" moment, brought to you by the experts of the United States Government, soon to be a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic National Committee.</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I really think the lesson learned here is that we need to stop third party registrations. All people who want to vote must register at one of several approved voting registration places-where they must show some ID and proof of residency (here a utility bill counts).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just me: I agree with you that this particular system is problematic, but I have to point out a utility bill would leave out several demographics, ie: the homeless, children living with their parents, people who have bad credit and have their utility bills in other peoples names, etc.

One could argue that the above people should not vote, but the Constitution says they have the &lt;em&gt;Right&lt;/em&gt; to any way:

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not 
be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
— Fifteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (1870)
 
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not 
be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.
— Nineteenth Amendment (1920)
 
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any 
primary or other election . . . shall not be denied or abridged . . . by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
— Twenty-fourth Amendment (1964)
 
The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age.
— Twenty-sixth Amendment (1971)

It is a cunundrum not so easily resolved. It can be done, all it takes is money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I really think the lesson learned here is that we need to stop third party registrations. All people who want to vote must register at one of several approved voting registration places-where they must show some ID and proof of residency (here a utility bill counts).</p></blockquote>
<p>Just me: I agree with you that this particular system is problematic, but I have to point out a utility bill would leave out several demographics, ie: the homeless, children living with their parents, people who have bad credit and have their utility bills in other peoples names, etc.</p>
<p>One could argue that the above people should not vote, but the Constitution says they have the <em>Right</em> to any way:</p>
<p>The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not<br />
be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.<br />
— Fifteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (1870)</p>
<p>The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not<br />
be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.<br />
— Nineteenth Amendment (1920)</p>
<p>The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any<br />
primary or other election . . . shall not be denied or abridged . . . by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.<br />
— Twenty-fourth Amendment (1964)</p>
<p>The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age.<br />
— Twenty-sixth Amendment (1971)</p>
<p>It is a cunundrum not so easily resolved. It can be done, all it takes is money.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going 5 miles over the speed limit is against the law. By some posters’ logic there is no proof that anyone speeds five miles over the limit since there is very few court cases of it happening. Anyone that drives even a small amount should know that people do speed and they do it a great deal more often than what ends up in court.

I agree the amount of voter fraud is speculative. There are too many potential ways for it to occur and very few safeguards and enforcement efforts against it for anyone to say with any reasonable and honest judgment that it doesn’t occur. We can’t honestly say it does happen all that much either. We simply don’t know. Sort of like if you kill and buried someone in the Nevada desert and no one saw you, did it really happen? That is why I would like to see some aggressive efforts and procedures to ensure that voter fraud doesn’t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going 5 miles over the speed limit is against the law. By some posters&rsquo; logic there is no proof that anyone speeds five miles over the limit since there is very few court cases of it happening. Anyone that drives even a small amount should know that people do speed and they do it a great deal more often than what ends up in court.</p>
<p>I agree the amount of voter fraud is speculative. There are too many potential ways for it to occur and very few safeguards and enforcement efforts against it for anyone to say with any reasonable and honest judgment that it doesn&rsquo;t occur. We can&rsquo;t honestly say it does happen all that much either. We simply don&rsquo;t know. Sort of like if you kill and buried someone in the Nevada desert and no one saw you, did it really happen? That is why I would like to see some aggressive efforts and procedures to ensure that voter fraud doesn&rsquo;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;Voter Fraud Still Fairly &quot;Rare&quot;&quot;&quot;
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 It certainly not &quot;well done&quot;.... send it back!

If &quot;rare&quot; is the same as half-baked... then I concur!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>""Voter Fraud Still Fairly "Rare"""<br />
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 It certainly not "well done".... send it back!</p>
<p>If "rare" is the same as half-baked... then I concur!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Almeida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Almeida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How do you know?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My dear Bithead,

We know, because one of President Bush&#039;s DOJ voter fraud attorneys SAYS SO IN THE INCLUDED ARTICLE:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“There’s no evidence that any of these invalid registrations lead to any invalid votes,” said David Becker, project director of the “Make Voting Work” initiative for the Pew Charitable Trusts.

Becker should know: he was a lawyer for the Bush administration until 2005, in the Justice Department’s voting rights section, which was part of the administration’s aggressive anti-vote-fraud effort.

“The Justice Department really made prosecution of voter fraud of this sort a big priority in the first half of this decade, and they really didn’t come up with anything,” he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He said so, and he was part of investigating vigorously.  That&#039;s how we know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How do you know?</p></blockquote>
<p>My dear Bithead,</p>
<p>We know, because one of President Bush's DOJ voter fraud attorneys SAYS SO IN THE INCLUDED ARTICLE:</p>
<blockquote><p>“There&rsquo;s no evidence that any of these invalid registrations lead to any invalid votes,” said David Becker, project director of the “Make Voting Work” initiative for the Pew Charitable Trusts.</p>
<p>Becker should know: he was a lawyer for the Bush administration until 2005, in the Justice Department&rsquo;s voting rights section, which was part of the administration&rsquo;s aggressive anti-vote-fraud effort.</p>
<p>“The Justice Department really made prosecution of voter fraud of this sort a big priority in the first half of this decade, and they really didn&rsquo;t come up with anything,” he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>He said so, and he was part of investigating vigorously.  That's how we know.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Pointing out who funded ACORN doesn&#039;t prove voter fraud exists.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of itself, of course not.
Then again, reverse the situation, and say Republicans had tossed in that kidn of money and that 4 to 1, the votyers coming in were Republican. Tell us we&#039;d not hear about this, in wall to wall mode from the MSM, huh?
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Once again, I&#039;m not saying that voter fraud doesn&#039;t happen. I&#039;m saying that it&#039;s rare.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How do you know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Pointing out who funded ACORN doesn't prove voter fraud exists.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of itself, of course not.<br />
Then again, reverse the situation, and say Republicans had tossed in that kidn of money and that 4 to 1, the votyers coming in were Republican. Tell us we'd not hear about this, in wall to wall mode from the MSM, huh?</p>
<blockquote><p>Once again, I'm not saying that voter fraud doesn't happen. I'm saying that it's rare.</p></blockquote>
<p>How do you know?</p>
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