Geebus, have you guys heard of the internet? The web? Providing links, rather than just hearsay when you're making bold claims is considered to be standard.

That is, if you're actually trying to argue, rather than just demagogue.

Hey Charles Austin, have those links you promised? Or was that last comment just a huff and a puff to try to blow the house down?

...which is what happens whenever you pay someone per-person to register people. Some of the people found it easier to make up names than run around registering people.

Not only was no one actually ever intending to vote those names, the system caught the bogus registrations.

several elderly widowers admitted to sending in their deceased spouses ballot

...and citizenship checks would help that how? Presumably, their deceased spouses were, in fact, American citizens.

Here's a fun question:

Can a single person cite even a hypothetical example of what citizen checks, as opposed to ID checks, would catch? The sole group of people it would appear to catch is people with legitimate ID, who are not US citizens, who vote.

Can anyone cite that ever happening? People in this country illegally are not going to vote, that's insane behavior. I know it's some crazy Republican theory that they vote, but in reality people here illegally avoid the government like the plague, they aren't going to stand in line for two hours filing into a government area. (Or, more to the point, they wouldn't attempt to register in the first place.)

And non-citizens here legally know damn well that attempting to vote is a very good way to have your visa revoked. There's probably a whole section on that in their visa papers they have to sign and agree to.

Of course, there's another entirely separate group of people that such checks are intended to filter out...people who would have trouble laying their hands on proof of their citizenship. The poor and the old, namely.

Yea, I'm guessing you'd have been for the poll tax, too.

Ah, a resident of Spleenville. No, I won't shut up. But please do provide them so everyone can see what a piss head I truly am.

The simple fact is - and the Supreme court spelled this out - that evidence for voter fraud is almost impossible to find. Yes, one can always come up with individual instances of fraud, but the issue always has to be balanced against the harm coming up with zero fraud would do - and is documented to do so.

are you totally crazy, what the Great Green Hell is so hard about getting an I.D., I had to get one when I was 16 just to walk around town, imagine.
prove you are a citizen our don't vote! How more simple could it get and why is it not the law of the land unless some one is trying to rig something for cheating.

To be very clear, voter registrations are not votes. The issue with fraudulent registrations is pretty well restricted to the incentive for fraud due to paying for them. Easily taken care of without actually harming anyone's right of citizenship.

The simple fact is - and the Supreme court spelled this out - that evidence for voter fraud is almost impossible to find. Yes, one can always come up with individual instances of fraud, but the issue always has to be balanced against the harm coming up with zero fraud would do - and is documented to do so.

It really is odd for the party of cost/benefit to completely base their drive for dealing with voter fraud purely on hypotheticals that no one actually believes will come to pass.

It's okay, we democrats still think Republicans should vote.

The poor, the mentally disabled and the elderly will have a hard time finding certain documents, and these laws seem to be quite problematic for those individuals.

That would be a feature, not a bug to the people who are pushing this.

I've gotta admit, I'm dubious of the value of having the mentally disabled vote. But, obviously, the poor and elderly ought not be discouraged.

That would be a feature, not a bug to the people who are pushing this.

But think of the upside! All those imagined dead democratic voters they can't provide any evidence for and mythical illegal immigrants that might vote if they weren't terrified of being deported would be denied voting. So in the end, it's worth the sacrifice of your right as a citizen.