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	<title>Comments on: Voyage of the Damned &#8211; The Nation&#8217;s Cruise</title>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grewgills : It&#039;s something that right wingers/conservatives seem required to do.


What I find hilarious is how rabidly hateful conservatives are towards Gore and any perceived profits from his environmentalism yet they have no problem with Cheney and his friends using the war in Iraq as a source of massive profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grewgills : It's something that right wingers/conservatives seem required to do.</p>
<p>What I find hilarious is how rabidly hateful conservatives are towards Gore and any perceived profits from his environmentalism yet they have no problem with Cheney and his friends using the war in Iraq as a source of massive profits.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Press Secretary to the President is obviously part of the political Administration they represent, be it Tony Snow or George 

When somebody has told so many lies, and has spread so much BS, and has helped with so much evil as anybody who works for the Bush administration has, I find claims that they never claimed to be objective to be unsatisfying.

And, of course, you may have forgotten, but George pledged to &#039;restore honor and dignity to the White House&#039;.  I guess that that&#039;s no longer operative, as they said during the Watergate cover-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The Press Secretary to the President is obviously part of the political Administration they represent, be it Tony Snow or George </p>
<p>When somebody has told so many lies, and has spread so much BS, and has helped with so much evil as anybody who works for the Bush administration has, I find claims that they never claimed to be objective to be unsatisfying.</p>
<p>And, of course, you may have forgotten, but George pledged to 'restore honor and dignity to the White House'.  I guess that that's no longer operative, as they said during the Watergate cover-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Electric Venom &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nine Nibbles</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/voyage_of_the_damned_-_the_nations_cruise/comment-page-1/#comment-140444</link>
		<dc:creator>Electric Venom &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nine Nibbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Interesting: the all-liberal cruise to Alaska is priced over twice as high as the all-Conservative [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Interesting: the all-liberal cruise to Alaska is priced over twice as high as the all-Conservative [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/voyage_of_the_damned_-_the_nations_cruise/comment-page-1/#comment-140439</link>
		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe these liberals are going on a cruise. They should never be allowed to leave their Upper West Side liberalville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't believe these liberals are going on a cruise. They should never be allowed to leave their Upper West Side liberalville.</p>
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		<title>By: Canuckistan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canuckistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7 day Alaska cruise in September via Vancouver: about$500

Going on a cruise without Mapes et al: PRICELESS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7 day Alaska cruise in September via Vancouver: about$500</p>
<p>Going on a cruise without Mapes et al: PRICELESS</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Donegal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Donegal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, the next National Review cruise leaves from Seattle this week.  Hopefully, they will take the same ship.  Then we can get Jonah writing about how the Dems trashed the place on the way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, the next National Review cruise leaves from Seattle this week.  Hopefully, they will take the same ship.  Then we can get Jonah writing about how the Dems trashed the place on the way out.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff b</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author reveals his own ignorance of American politics.  Yes, the mayor of Salt Lake City is a liberal Democrat.  The author obviously doesn&#039;t know anything about the politics of that city and just works from his own prejudice and ignorance.

Here&#039;s the wikipedia article on the mayor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Anderson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author reveals his own ignorance of American politics.  Yes, the mayor of Salt Lake City is a liberal Democrat.  The author obviously doesn't know anything about the politics of that city and just works from his own prejudice and ignorance.</p>
<p>Here's the wikipedia article on the mayor:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Anderson" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Anderson</a></p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viva La Revolución!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viva La Revolución!</p>
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		<title>By: Fausta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fausta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Nader (guaranteed not to remove his suit in the hot tub&lt;/em&gt;
Nader in a hottub - {{shudder}}!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Nader (guaranteed not to remove his suit in the hot tub</em><br />
Nader in a hottub - {{shudder}}!</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Seriously though, the minute you include Mary Mapes as a headliner you have destroyed any claim to objectivity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It is specifically marketed to progressives.  Where does it claim to be non partisan?
&lt;blockquote&gt;Tony Snow did not support the Bush Administration when he was on Fox News in hopes of getting his current job. However, the fact he supported the Administration must have played into the fact he was on the final list - they weren&#039;t going to hire Dan Rather.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The fact remains that he was no more objective than Mapes or Hume.
&lt;blockquote&gt;And don’t forget, you can buy carbon offsets and make Al Gore richer at an additional cost.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
As the later quote states the carbon offsets are organized through &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ecologic.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EcoLogic&lt;/a&gt;, a non-profit that is not associated with Gore.  You no doubt knew this but couldn&#039;t resist the cheap shot.  Their work in in Latin America is coordinated with local ,often indigenous, community environmental groups (Ulew Che Ja and PAF-Maya in Guatemala).  Like most non-profits they rely heavily on volunteer help.  
They are a non-profit doing good work in cooperation with local community groups.  Why the cheap shot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Seriously though, the minute you include Mary Mapes as a headliner you have destroyed any claim to objectivity.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is specifically marketed to progressives.  Where does it claim to be non partisan?</p>
<blockquote><p>Tony Snow did not support the Bush Administration when he was on Fox News in hopes of getting his current job. However, the fact he supported the Administration must have played into the fact he was on the final list - they weren't going to hire Dan Rather.</p></blockquote>
<p>The fact remains that he was no more objective than Mapes or Hume.</p>
<blockquote><p>And don&rsquo;t forget, you can buy carbon offsets and make Al Gore richer at an additional cost.</p></blockquote>
<p>As the later quote states the carbon offsets are organized through <a href="http://www.ecologic.org/" rel="nofollow">EcoLogic</a>, a non-profit that is not associated with Gore.  You no doubt knew this but couldn't resist the cheap shot.  Their work in in Latin America is coordinated with local ,often indigenous, community environmental groups (Ulew Che Ja and PAF-Maya in Guatemala).  Like most non-profits they rely heavily on volunteer help.<br />
They are a non-profit doing good work in cooperation with local community groups.  Why the cheap shot?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Press Secretary to the President is obviously part of the political Administration they represent, be it Tony Snow or George Stephanopoulis. That is not objectivity.

But in the case of Mary Mapes and 60 Minutes, they claim to be reporting stuff free of political ties. By her actions she proved that was not the case, and my opinion is that she was justly fired. 

Others see her as a saint for daring to stand up to the evil President Bush. I don&#039;t. I see her as a lying propagandist. I have nothing against propaganda, it is relabeled PR, but to pretend you are objective then complain when your lies are uncovered I will not accept. 

I also refuse to believe the various conspiracy theories out here. Tony Snow did not support the Bush Administration when he was on Fox News in hopes of getting his current job. However, the fact he supported the Administration must have played into the fact he was on the final list - they weren&#039;t going to hire Dan Rather.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Press Secretary to the President is obviously part of the political Administration they represent, be it Tony Snow or George Stephanopoulis. That is not objectivity.</p>
<p>But in the case of Mary Mapes and 60 Minutes, they claim to be reporting stuff free of political ties. By her actions she proved that was not the case, and my opinion is that she was justly fired. </p>
<p>Others see her as a saint for daring to stand up to the evil President Bush. I don't. I see her as a lying propagandist. I have nothing against propaganda, it is relabeled PR, but to pretend you are objective then complain when your lies are uncovered I will not accept. </p>
<p>I also refuse to believe the various conspiracy theories out here. Tony Snow did not support the Bush Administration when he was on Fox News in hopes of getting his current job. However, the fact he supported the Administration must have played into the fact he was on the final list - they weren't going to hire Dan Rather.</p>
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		<title>By: Anjin-San</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anjin-San</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Seriously though, the minute you include Mary Mapes as a headliner you have destroyed any claim to objectivity&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Objective... You mean like Tony Sonw?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Seriously though, the minute you include Mary Mapes as a headliner you have destroyed any claim to objectivity</p></blockquote>
<p>Objective... You mean like Tony Sonw?</p>
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