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		<title>By: Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The War on Soda</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wait_i_was_only_joking/comment-page-1/#comment-86146</link>
		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The War on Soda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wait_i_was_only_joking/comment-page-1/#comment-86130</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 05:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You fault â��eliminate the corn subsidiesâ�� for being impractical, but this entire thread depends on eliminating another set of subsidies â�¦ those for health care.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I thought I was pretty clear on the point of ending all subsidies...and that all of them are politically non-starters.  Hence my rather fatalistic view of the future of this country.  In another generation or two it will no longer be the United States of America save in name only, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You fault â��eliminate the corn subsidiesâ�� for being impractical, but this entire thread depends on eliminating another set of subsidies â�¦ those for health care.</p></blockquote>
<p>I thought I was pretty clear on the point of ending all subsidies...and that all of them are politically non-starters.  Hence my rather fatalistic view of the future of this country.  In another generation or two it will no longer be the United States of America save in name only, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: jpe</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wait_i_was_only_joking/comment-page-1/#comment-86109</link>
		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Actually a tax on high-fructose corn syrup that would make it more expensive than (tarrifed) imported sugar wouldnâ��t be such a bad thing, although for completely different reasons.&lt;/i&gt;

My thoughts exactly.  We&#039;d do well to cut out the middle man and just end ag subsidies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Actually a tax on high-fructose corn syrup that would make it more expensive than (tarrifed) imported sugar wouldnâ��t be such a bad thing, although for completely different reasons.</i></p>
<p>My thoughts exactly.  We'd do well to cut out the middle man and just end ag subsidies.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wait_i_was_only_joking/comment-page-1/#comment-86101</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your position isn&#039;t exactly symmetrical there Steve.

You fault &quot;eliminate the corn subsidies&quot; for being impractical, but this entire thread depends on eliminating another set of subsidies ... those for health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your position isn't exactly symmetrical there Steve.</p>
<p>You fault "eliminate the corn subsidies" for being impractical, but this entire thread depends on eliminating another set of subsidies ... those for health care.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wait_i_was_only_joking/comment-page-1/#comment-86096</link>
		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unfortunately we tend to reflect heredity  in our bodies as much as we reflect our habits, punishing people with stereotypes is not supposed to be acceptable in this modern age , is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unfortunately we tend to reflect heredity  in our bodies as much as we reflect our habits, punishing people with stereotypes is not supposed to be acceptable in this modern age , is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From this week&#039;s News of the Weird (top story):&lt;blockquote&gt;In a May dispatch from Atlanta on Southerners&#039; notoriously unnutritious, fat-laden cuisine, a Chicago Tribune reporter watered readers&#039; mouths with descriptions of the &quot;hamdog&quot; and the &quot;Luther&quot; (prized dishes of Mulligan&#039;s restaurant in Decatur, Ga.), which are, respectively, &quot;a half-pound of hamburger meat wrapped around a hot dog, which is deep-fried and served on a hoagie topped with chili, bacon and a fried egg,&quot; and &quot;&lt;strong&gt;a half-pound burger served with bacon and cheese on a Krispy Kreme doughnut&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot; &lt;strong&gt;The 11 states from Washington, D.C., to Florida, west to Texas, have the nation&#039;s highest mortality rate from strokes&lt;/strong&gt;, but, said a University of Mississippi professor, &quot;Food is a strong emblem of identity for Southerners,&quot; uniquely shared across racial lines. [Chicago Tribune, 5-16-06]&lt;/blockquote&gt;Perhaps the best way to improve America&#039;s health is to reconsider that whole &quot;no secession&quot; thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From this week's News of the Weird (top story):<br />
<blockquote>In a May dispatch from Atlanta on Southerners' notoriously unnutritious, fat-laden cuisine, a Chicago Tribune reporter watered readers' mouths with descriptions of the "hamdog" and the "Luther" (prized dishes of Mulligan's restaurant in Decatur, Ga.), which are, respectively, "a half-pound of hamburger meat wrapped around a hot dog, which is deep-fried and served on a hoagie topped with chili, bacon and a fried egg," and "<strong>a half-pound burger served with bacon and cheese on a Krispy Kreme doughnut</strong>." <strong>The 11 states from Washington, D.C., to Florida, west to Texas, have the nation's highest mortality rate from strokes</strong>, but, said a University of Mississippi professor, "Food is a strong emblem of identity for Southerners," uniquely shared across racial lines. [Chicago Tribune, 5-16-06]</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps the best way to improve America's health is to reconsider that whole "no secession" thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Thatedeguy &#187; AMA to attack sugar and salt consumption with &#8220;fat-tax&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thatedeguy &#187; AMA to attack sugar and salt consumption with &#8220;fat-tax&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 4thelittleguy seems to think that people will merely pay the money and keep on eating.  Even though the poor have a higher rate of obesity, I tend to agree with him.   Outside the beltway also seems to think it&#8217;s a lost cause.  So, here&#8217;s the problem.  It didn&#8217;t work for cigarettes or alcohol.  People still smoke and drink.  And people are still going to belly up to the value menu.  The problem is in the method.  Why tax the consumer?  Why not establish a similar tax that taxes the provider instead?  Tax McDonalds for each gram of salt over the quota in a Big Mac.  Tax Coke for each bit of High Fructose Corn Syrup over the quota in a Coke.  Give em a good hit in the bottom line and see if that changes things.  The old way doesn&#8217;t work, find a new way until you find one that works. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 4thelittleguy seems to think that people will merely pay the money and keep on eating.  Even though the poor have a higher rate of obesity, I tend to agree with him.   Outside the beltway also seems to think it&#8217;s a lost cause.  So, here&#8217;s the problem.  It didn&#8217;t work for cigarettes or alcohol.  People still smoke and drink.  And people are still going to belly up to the value menu.  The problem is in the method.  Why tax the consumer?  Why not establish a similar tax that taxes the provider instead?  Tax McDonalds for each gram of salt over the quota in a Big Mac.  Tax Coke for each bit of High Fructose Corn Syrup over the quota in a Coke.  Give em a good hit in the bottom line and see if that changes things.  The old way doesn&#8217;t work, find a new way until you find one that works. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: madmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well seeing as the state govts have been taxing the hell out of cigarettes and alcohal to raise funds when obesity related illnesses are now the top health problems in the US, I think it is a great idea...screw that fat f...ks for awhile and it will also be much more equitable than picking on addicts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well seeing as the state govts have been taxing the hell out of cigarettes and alcohal to raise funds when obesity related illnesses are now the top health problems in the US, I think it is a great idea...screw that fat f...ks for awhile and it will also be much more equitable than picking on addicts.</p>
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		<title>By: Storms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Storms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the government taxes something, wouldn&#039;t they actually &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chrisstorms.com/blog&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;want people to buy it&lt;/a&gt;, then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the government taxes something, wouldn't they actually <a href="http://www.chrisstorms.com/blog" rel="nofollow">want people to buy it</a>, then.</p>
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		<title>By: The Storms Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tax on Soft Drinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Storms Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tax on Soft Drinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Outside the Beltway [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

Ha!  Hadn&#039;t thought of that.  However, I think it would probably be better to get rid of both than to go with duelling taxes/tariffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>Ha!  Hadn't thought of that.  However, I think it would probably be better to get rid of both than to go with duelling taxes/tariffs.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wait_i_was_only_joking/comment-page-1/#comment-86052</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you think food stamp users are â??coercedâ?? when the rules disallow alcohol purchase? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, and [somewhat tongue-in-cheek] it is a stupid policy.  After all, one alcoholic drink a day will significantly reduce one&#039;s risk of heart attack.

&lt;blockquote&gt;No, Iâ??m saying your article was a little ideolized when it suggested that the corn-sugar consumers are harming only themselves.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They are, it is the government that is bringing the pain (so to speak) to your doorstep.  Not only that, but this tax will just increase your pain.

As for ending subsidies...I&#039;d go for that, but as Anderson noted in another thread:

Great, a political non-starter!  Next!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you think food stamp users are â??coercedâ?? when the rules disallow alcohol purchase? </p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, and [somewhat tongue-in-cheek] it is a stupid policy.  After all, one alcoholic drink a day will significantly reduce one's risk of heart attack.</p>
<blockquote><p>No, Iâ??m saying your article was a little ideolized when it suggested that the corn-sugar consumers are harming only themselves.</p></blockquote>
<p>They are, it is the government that is bringing the pain (so to speak) to your doorstep.  Not only that, but this tax will just increase your pain.</p>
<p>As for ending subsidies...I'd go for that, but as Anderson noted in another thread:</p>
<p>Great, a political non-starter!  Next!</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, on a practical level, just cut the subsidies (corn and ethanol) ... no need for taxes on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, on a practical level, just cut the subsidies (corn and ethanol) ... no need for taxes on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I&#039;m saying your article was a little ideolized when it suggested that the corn-sugar consumers are harming only themselves.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I pay taxes for medicare, medicaid, Social Security, etc. Therefore, I want the government to use its coercive powers to make these people behave in a way I find acceptable. Not exactly consistent with the notion of liberty, IMO.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do you think food stamp users are &quot;coerced&quot; when the rules disallow alcohol purchase?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I'm saying your article was a little ideolized when it suggested that the corn-sugar consumers are harming only themselves.</p>
<blockquote><p>I pay taxes for medicare, medicaid, Social Security, etc. Therefore, I want the government to use its coercive powers to make these people behave in a way I find acceptable. Not exactly consistent with the notion of liberty, IMO.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you think food stamp users are "coerced" when the rules disallow alcohol purchase?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually a tax on high-fructose corn syrup that would make it more expensive than (tarrifed) imported sugar wouldn&#039;t be such a bad thing, although for completely different reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually a tax on high-fructose corn syrup that would make it more expensive than (tarrifed) imported sugar wouldn't be such a bad thing, although for completely different reasons.</p>
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