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		<title>By: Alycia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alycia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to say something about the calling of sick. Even if you have a medical excuse from the doctors because you are sick and have medical problems you still get yelled at for not being there! I feel that the only time that wal-mart actually cares about someones health is when they are practically dying! Its sorry to say but its the truth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to say something about the calling of sick. Even if you have a medical excuse from the doctors because you are sick and have medical problems you still get yelled at for not being there! I feel that the only time that wal-mart actually cares about someones health is when they are practically dying! Its sorry to say but its the truth!</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/job-growth-accelerates-167000-december/story.aspx?guid=%7B2EA23974%2D051A%2D493A%2D8C2D%2DA8E7B135F9E0%7D&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; just in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/job-growth-accelerates-167000-december/story.aspx?guid=%7B2EA23974%2D051A%2D493A%2D8C2D%2DA8E7B135F9E0%7D" rel="nofollow">This</a> just in</p>
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		<title>By: The American Mind</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wal-mart_pushing_flexibile_worker_shifts/comment-page-1/#comment-108691</link>
		<dc:creator>The American Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Wal-Mart Going to Flexible Scheduling...&lt;/strong&gt;

The end of set schedules for Wal-Mart employees may be the latest technological advantage for the retail giant. Flexible employee scheduling using software and past sales data will allow Wal-Mart to better staff its stores. Ezra Klein complains:
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<p>The end of set schedules for Wal-Mart employees may be the latest technological advantage for the retail giant. Flexible employee scheduling using software and past sales data will allow Wal-Mart to better staff its stores. Ezra Klein complains:<br />
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 00:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked fast food through high school and college-I never new my schedule more than a week ahead, although I could set day/hour preferences, they weren&#039;t guaranteed other than blocks when I knew I was unavailable.

My husband managed a grocery store while he was in college and grad school.  He also never knew his schedule more than a week ahead-although as a manager his shift time was mostly set outsdie of vacations of other managers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked fast food through high school and college-I never new my schedule more than a week ahead, although I could set day/hour preferences, they weren't guaranteed other than blocks when I knew I was unavailable.</p>
<p>My husband managed a grocery store while he was in college and grad school.  He also never knew his schedule more than a week ahead-although as a manager his shift time was mostly set outsdie of vacations of other managers.</p>
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		<title>By: just the messenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>just the messenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The new systems also alert managers when a worker is approaching full-time status or overtime, which would require higher wages and benefits, so they can scale back that person’s schedule.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Blame regulators for creating perverse managerial incentives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The new systems also alert managers when a worker is approaching full-time status or overtime, which would require higher wages and benefits, so they can scale back that person&rsquo;s schedule.</p></blockquote>
<p>Blame regulators for creating perverse managerial incentives.</p>
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		<title>By: djneylon</title>
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		<dc:creator>djneylon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following getting out of the military, I worked in retail for 3 years before going to work in a hospital setting.  I worked counter sales for a brickyard, where &quot;in season&quot; we worked 70 hour weeks; if you asked, you might get a day off.  Off season, we worked a 40 hour week.  The season -- it started when the ground thawed, and ended when the ground froze -- roughly April to October.  From there I went to furniture sales, working 50+ hours a week, getting a 5% commission and $5 a day for showing up. It was nearly impossible to take a weekend off (plus, that&#039;s when you made money)and there were no sick days or vacations days -- just days you didn&#039;t work.  Then I went to a major department store: forty hours a week, sick days, vacation days, one weekend in four off.  In the hospital I work a forty hour week, alternate weekends, three holidays. I get sick days; vacation days pile up, but no more than three people can take time off at once in the department (there are 12 of us). Way back when, I was a sportswriter and worked every Friday and Saturday night from the start of high school football season to the end of the basketball season (September to March).  The point.  Work is work.  Employers don&#039;t hire you to work at your convenience but theirs.  We can&#039;t all work lovely jobs where they pay you good money to work only between 8 and 4:30 Monday through Friday, with plenty of sick and vacation days and great benefits.  There will always be jobs (often with poor pay) that have crummy hours;  you work them and move on, or you spend the rest of your life crying about how bad you have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following getting out of the military, I worked in retail for 3 years before going to work in a hospital setting.  I worked counter sales for a brickyard, where "in season" we worked 70 hour weeks; if you asked, you might get a day off.  Off season, we worked a 40 hour week.  The season -- it started when the ground thawed, and ended when the ground froze -- roughly April to October.  From there I went to furniture sales, working 50+ hours a week, getting a 5% commission and $5 a day for showing up. It was nearly impossible to take a weekend off (plus, that's when you made money)and there were no sick days or vacations days -- just days you didn't work.  Then I went to a major department store: forty hours a week, sick days, vacation days, one weekend in four off.  In the hospital I work a forty hour week, alternate weekends, three holidays. I get sick days; vacation days pile up, but no more than three people can take time off at once in the department (there are 12 of us). Way back when, I was a sportswriter and worked every Friday and Saturday night from the start of high school football season to the end of the basketball season (September to March).  The point.  Work is work.  Employers don't hire you to work at your convenience but theirs.  We can't all work lovely jobs where they pay you good money to work only between 8 and 4:30 Monday through Friday, with plenty of sick and vacation days and great benefits.  There will always be jobs (often with poor pay) that have crummy hours;  you work them and move on, or you spend the rest of your life crying about how bad you have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you have ever experienced looking for a job–especially in the low-skill levels of the labor market–it is EXTREMELY time consuming.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That must account for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070104/cm_csm/yboudreaux&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4.5%&lt;/a&gt; US unemployment rate. 

Too bad more people can&#039;t convince everyone that the world owes them not just a living, but in the lifestyle they desire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you have ever experienced looking for a job–especially in the low-skill levels of the labor market–it is EXTREMELY time consuming.</p></blockquote>
<p>That must account for the <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070104/cm_csm/yboudreaux" rel="nofollow">4.5%</a> US unemployment rate. </p>
<p>Too bad more people can't convince everyone that the world owes them not just a living, but in the lifestyle they desire.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Even at Wal-Mart, people call in sick without losing their jobs. Or take vacation days.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Give me a break!  At Wal-Mart you are disciplined if you take 3 unauthorized sick days--fired if you take 7.  You don&#039;t get paid for those days, of course.  Vacation days are non-existent for their majority part-time labor force.

If you have ever experienced looking for a job--especially in the low-skill levels of the labor market--it is EXTREMELY time consuming.  If Wal Mart is asking their employees to be essentially &quot;on call&quot; 24/7, being a responsible job seeker is next to impossible.  Taking a few sick days is not going to necessarily help you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Even at Wal-Mart, people call in sick without losing their jobs. Or take vacation days.</p></blockquote>
<p>Give me a break!  At Wal-Mart you are disciplined if you take 3 unauthorized sick days--fired if you take 7.  You don't get paid for those days, of course.  Vacation days are non-existent for their majority part-time labor force.</p>
<p>If you have ever experienced looking for a job--especially in the low-skill levels of the labor market--it is EXTREMELY time consuming.  If Wal Mart is asking their employees to be essentially "on call" 24/7, being a responsible job seeker is next to impossible.  Taking a few sick days is not going to necessarily help you.</p>
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		<title>By: JimT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife is a manager at a retailer where this software is used.  She does not schedule blindly  based on its suggestions, but uses it as it is intended - a tool.  Also - if you believe that retail managers do not recognize the value of a good employee (emphasis on &#039;good&#039;) and will work within their schedule, then I think you are too far removed for a valid opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife is a manager at a retailer where this software is used.  She does not schedule blindly  based on its suggestions, but uses it as it is intended - a tool.  Also - if you believe that retail managers do not recognize the value of a good employee (emphasis on 'good') and will work within their schedule, then I think you are too far removed for a valid opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank the anti Walmart forces who want to force them to change their compensation model. This is completely the inevitable result of market regulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank the anti Walmart forces who want to force them to change their compensation model. This is completely the inevitable result of market regulation.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Triumph:  Even at Wal-Mart, people call in sick without losing their jobs. Or take vacation days.

Legion:  I&#039;m not suggesting that it&#039;s not difficult.   There are, however, other entry level or low skill jobs out there outside the retail sector.  It&#039;s a hell of a lot easier to find another $8/hour job than another $75,000/year job.

My point is that this is simply the nature of retail work.  The customer is a higher priority than the worker, especially workers who are essentially commodities.  That&#039;s not a happy situation for the workers, to be sure, but a fact of life.

As I note in the post, though, managers should be doing a better job of forecasting needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Triumph:  Even at Wal-Mart, people call in sick without losing their jobs. Or take vacation days.</p>
<p>Legion:  I'm not suggesting that it's not difficult.   There are, however, other entry level or low skill jobs out there outside the retail sector.  It's a hell of a lot easier to find another $8/hour job than another $75,000/year job.</p>
<p>My point is that this is simply the nature of retail work.  The customer is a higher priority than the worker, especially workers who are essentially commodities.  That's not a happy situation for the workers, to be sure, but a fact of life.</p>
<p>As I note in the post, though, managers should be doing a better job of forecasting needs.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll second Triumph on that... James, I&#039;m curious as to how you can reconcile things like this:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Other potential drawbacks mentioned by Klein or his commenters include pushing out older workers and making holding a second job more difficult. Ditto, presumably, going back to school to improve one’s employability so as to move beyond having to work for an hourly wage.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
With this:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Still, if one needs to work only regular hours and simply can not work nights and weekends, they should seek employment in something other than the retail sector.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&#039;Cause I don&#039;t see how they&#039;re anything other than mutually exclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll second Triumph on that... James, I'm curious as to how you can reconcile things like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Other potential drawbacks mentioned by Klein or his commenters include pushing out older workers and making holding a second job more difficult. Ditto, presumably, going back to school to improve one&rsquo;s employability so as to move beyond having to work for an hourly wage.</p></blockquote>
<p>With this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Still, if one needs to work only regular hours and simply can not work nights and weekends, they should seek employment in something other than the retail sector.</p></blockquote>
<p>'Cause I don't see how they're anything other than mutually exclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, The article is reposted at the Pueblo, CO Chieftain: http://www.chieftain.com/business/1167894238/3

It is pretty clear from the article that they are instituting the &quot;on call&quot; system.  The idea is basically to manage labor in the same way as they have been managing inventory for years:  through a just-in-time approach.

The other thing that the software does is recognize the cumulative number of hours worked by employees.  Once an employee is getting close to meeting overtime/full time requirements in a week they are put at the bottom of the list in favor of someone who hasnt worked as many hours, saving the company money.

The major problem is that workers have absolutely no prediction over their schedule in the long term.  Making transportation, child care, etc... arrangements becomes impossible.  Even just planning to spend time with your family and loved ones is difficult because it obviates a person&#039;s ability to plan.

This will undoubtedly hurt the quality of life for many workers--but I guess since the rest of us can get shampoo for 89 cents, its worth it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Still, if one needs to work only regular hours and simply can not work nights and weekends, they should seek employment in something other than the retail sector.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes!  Brilliant.  The Wal Mart worker can schedule a job interview for next Thursday morning.  Wednesday night, however, their manager says you have to come in tomorrow.  The worker can do one of two things: go to work or get fired without a replacement job.

MOst WalMart workers don&#039;t have the money to have a six-month nest egg with which they can live off of as they try to find another job.

Please read Ehrenreich&#039;s &quot;Nickeled and Dimed&quot;--or do a similar experiment yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, The article is reposted at the Pueblo, CO Chieftain: <a href="http://www.chieftain.com/business/1167894238/3" rel="nofollow">http://www.chieftain.com/business/1167894238/3</a></p>
<p>It is pretty clear from the article that they are instituting the "on call" system.  The idea is basically to manage labor in the same way as they have been managing inventory for years:  through a just-in-time approach.</p>
<p>The other thing that the software does is recognize the cumulative number of hours worked by employees.  Once an employee is getting close to meeting overtime/full time requirements in a week they are put at the bottom of the list in favor of someone who hasnt worked as many hours, saving the company money.</p>
<p>The major problem is that workers have absolutely no prediction over their schedule in the long term.  Making transportation, child care, etc... arrangements becomes impossible.  Even just planning to spend time with your family and loved ones is difficult because it obviates a person's ability to plan.</p>
<p>This will undoubtedly hurt the quality of life for many workers--but I guess since the rest of us can get shampoo for 89 cents, its worth it.</p>
<blockquote><p>Still, if one needs to work only regular hours and simply can not work nights and weekends, they should seek employment in something other than the retail sector.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes!  Brilliant.  The Wal Mart worker can schedule a job interview for next Thursday morning.  Wednesday night, however, their manager says you have to come in tomorrow.  The worker can do one of two things: go to work or get fired without a replacement job.</p>
<p>MOst WalMart workers don't have the money to have a six-month nest egg with which they can live off of as they try to find another job.</p>
<p>Please read Ehrenreich's "Nickeled and Dimed"--or do a similar experiment yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: http://www.elephantsordonkeys.com</title>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Then again, in the context of the subset of workers who would be impacted by a change in the minimum wage, Will’s word choice is close enough to be defensible. (Indeed, I used that term this morning in a discussion of the contretemps over Wal-Mart’s use of flexible scheduling of its employees.) The lower the skill level of the worker, the more easily replaceable he is. People who work on assembly lines or flipping burgers at McDonald’s are essentially undifferentiated from the perspective their firm. If your job can be&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->Then again, in the context of the subset of workers who would be impacted by a change in the minimum wage, Will&rsquo;s word choice is close enough to be defensible. (Indeed, I used that term this morning in a discussion of the contretemps over Wal-Mart&rsquo;s use of flexible scheduling of its employees.) The lower the skill level of the worker, the more easily replaceable he is. People who work on assembly lines or flipping burgers at McDonald&rsquo;s are essentially undifferentiated from the perspective their firm. If your job can be<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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