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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/was_tiller_murder_terrorism/comment-page-2/#comment-1055411</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If we exclude deranged lunatics then there aren&#039;t many terrorists at all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Careful, here.
As Obama so vividly demonstrated recently, with victory, you get control of the label gun. Thereby, the victor gets also to control who gets labeled things like &#039;deranged lunatics&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If we exclude deranged lunatics then there aren't many terrorists at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Careful, here.<br />
As Obama so vividly demonstrated recently, with victory, you get control of the label gun. Thereby, the victor gets also to control who gets labeled things like 'deranged lunatics'.</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/was_tiller_murder_terrorism/comment-page-2/#comment-1055035</link>
		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But, while one hesitates to fathom what a deranged lunatic “intends,” but there’s no way a rational person, even an evil one, would think that murdering abortionists will change public policy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If we exclude deranged lunatics then there aren&#039;t many terrorists at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But, while one hesitates to fathom what a deranged lunatic “intends,” but there&rsquo;s no way a rational person, even an evil one, would think that murdering abortionists will change public policy.</p></blockquote>
<p>If we exclude deranged lunatics then there aren't many terrorists at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Based on the chatter we see on the usual left-o-sphere, the &#039;fringe&#039; isn&#039;t all that far out of the center of the Democrats&lt;/blockquote&gt;You must be viewing a different &quot;left-o-sphere&quot; than I do.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;terrorism&#039; is the truth of what&#039;s happening&lt;/blockquote&gt;The problem is that &quot;terrorism&quot; is not something you can shoot, bomb, or capture, so saying we&#039;re at war with it is silly.  Not that &quot;main made disasters&quot; is any better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Based on the chatter we see on the usual left-o-sphere, the 'fringe' isn't all that far out of the center of the Democrats</p></blockquote>
<p>You must be viewing a different "left-o-sphere" than I do.</p>
<blockquote><p>"terrorism' is the truth of what's happening</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem is that "terrorism" is not something you can shoot, bomb, or capture, so saying we're at war with it is silly.  Not that "main made disasters" is any better.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well that&#039;s a given, the closer you get to the fringe, the more fringe elements you will find. If you go far enough right, you&#039;ll find the same kind of anti-military elements as you will on the left.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
But therein lies the rub... Based on the chatter we see on the usual left-o-sphere, the &#039;fringe&#039; isn&#039;t all that far out of the center of the Democrats, anymore. Now, it&#039;s down to putting a face in the leading edge of that. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;So, changing a name (I doubt you&#039;ll notice the silliness of waging war on a tactic) proves that Obama is &quot;ignoring&quot; our terrorist enemies?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;terrorism&#039; is the truth of what&#039;s happening, there. Changing the name, (As David suggests,  &quot;man -made -disasters&quot;) ignores that truth, and tries to hide it under a pile of euphimistic nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well that's a given, the closer you get to the fringe, the more fringe elements you will find. If you go far enough right, you'll find the same kind of anti-military elements as you will on the left.</p></blockquote>
<p>But therein lies the rub... Based on the chatter we see on the usual left-o-sphere, the 'fringe' isn't all that far out of the center of the Democrats, anymore. Now, it's down to putting a face in the leading edge of that. </p>
<blockquote><p>So, changing a name (I doubt you'll notice the silliness of waging war on a tactic) proves that Obama is "ignoring" our terrorist enemies?</p></blockquote>
<p>"terrorism' is the truth of what's happening, there. Changing the name, (As David suggests,  "man -made -disasters") ignores that truth, and tries to hide it under a pile of euphimistic nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can you express yourself coherently? So far, the answer is no.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Anjin-san, please try pointing out contradictory evidence or making counter-arguments, instead of simply insulting people.  You used to do that, and it made for better discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can you express yourself coherently? So far, the answer is no.</p></blockquote>
<p>Anjin-san, please try pointing out contradictory evidence or making counter-arguments, instead of simply insulting people.  You used to do that, and it made for better discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You may notice that the first thing Obama did with the war on terror was to ... ready?... change the name.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, changing a name (I doubt you&#039;ll notice the silliness of waging war on a tactic) proves that Obama is &quot;ignoring&quot; our terrorist enemies?  It&#039;s no wonder that people who think like you hold so little political power anymore...


re: G.A.Phillips &#124; June 2, 2009 &#124; 01:02 pm 

Awful ironic that someone who has no problem passing judgment on people he doesn&#039;t even know is trying to lecture me about judging people...by the way, if you are &quot;anti-murder&quot; I assume you are also opposed to the death penalty...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You may notice that the first thing Obama did with the war on terror was to ... ready?... change the name.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, changing a name (I doubt you'll notice the silliness of waging war on a tactic) proves that Obama is "ignoring" our terrorist enemies?  It's no wonder that people who think like you hold so little political power anymore...</p>
<p>re: G.A.Phillips | June 2, 2009 | 01:02 pm </p>
<p>Awful ironic that someone who has no problem passing judgment on people he doesn't even know is trying to lecture me about judging people...by the way, if you are "anti-murder" I assume you are also opposed to the death penalty...</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;With the two man made disaters, the killings of George Tiller and Private William A. Long, United State Army, has presented a test to the President To wit, can the President muster two appropariate, but consistent responses to the two murders? So far the answer is no.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can you express yourself coherently? So far, the answer is no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>With the two man made disaters, the killings of George Tiller and Private William A. Long, United State Army, has presented a test to the President To wit, can the President muster two appropariate, but consistent responses to the two murders? So far the answer is no.</p></blockquote>
<p>Can you express yourself coherently? So far, the answer is no.</p>
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		<title>By: hln</title>
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		<dc:creator>hln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to posit that the killer probably didn&#039;t look any further than stopping Dr. Tiller from performing more abortions. 

That&#039;s if he&#039;s sane at all, and who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to posit that the killer probably didn't look any further than stopping Dr. Tiller from performing more abortions. </p>
<p>That's if he's sane at all, and who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the two man made disaters, the killings of George Tiller and Private William A. Long, United State Army, has presented a test to the President  To wit, can the President muster two appropariate, but consistent responses to the two murders?  So far the answer is no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the two man made disaters, the killings of George Tiller and Private William A. Long, United State Army, has presented a test to the President  To wit, can the President muster two appropariate, but consistent responses to the two murders?  So far the answer is no.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I won&#039;t say anything against your statement, here, mike, but I will say it depends on just how far left you go.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well that&#039;s a given, the closer you get to the fringe, the more fringe elements you will find.  If you go far enough right, you&#039;ll find the same kind of anti-military elements as you will on the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I won't say anything against your statement, here, mike, but I will say it depends on just how far left you go.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well that's a given, the closer you get to the fringe, the more fringe elements you will find.  If you go far enough right, you'll find the same kind of anti-military elements as you will on the left.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t say anything against your statement, here, mike, but I will say it depends on just how far left you go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won't say anything against your statement, here, mike, but I will say it depends on just how far left you go.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the left being anti-military and pro-abortion as a rule&lt;/blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t think it is a rule that the left is anti-military.  Preferring non-military solutions does not make someone anti-military.  Being anti-{specific war} does not make someone anti-military.  Most people on the left have a high level of respect and appreciation for our armed forces and those who serve in them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the left being anti-military and pro-abortion as a rule</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't think it is a rule that the left is anti-military.  Preferring non-military solutions does not make someone anti-military.  Being anti-{specific war} does not make someone anti-military.  Most people on the left have a high level of respect and appreciation for our armed forces and those who serve in them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The context is very clear. You exploiting the murder of a soldier to pick up a cheap political point.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The fact is, your argument is so shallow it can&#039;t withstand the comparison. Clearly, one must be in the political favor of the left to garner their concern when they get murdered, and Pvt Long being military… and the left being anti-military and pro-abortion as a rule, Pvt Long’s murder doesn’t merit the leftist outrage that George Tiller’s murder does. The Memeorandum tracker shows us that fairly clearly, your denial not withstandng.

And of course the liberals caterwalling over this the last ouple days and calling it &#039;terroris&#039; aren&#039;t trying to score cheap political points? Or did that fact just slide right by you, as so very many do, these days? Or maybe the whole thing just cuts a little too close to home for you, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The context is very clear. You exploiting the murder of a soldier to pick up a cheap political point.</p></blockquote>
<p>The fact is, your argument is so shallow it can't withstand the comparison. Clearly, one must be in the political favor of the left to garner their concern when they get murdered, and Pvt Long being military… and the left being anti-military and pro-abortion as a rule, Pvt Long&rsquo;s murder doesn&rsquo;t merit the leftist outrage that George Tiller&rsquo;s murder does. The Memeorandum tracker shows us that fairly clearly, your denial not withstandng.</p>
<p>And of course the liberals caterwalling over this the last ouple days and calling it 'terroris' aren't trying to score cheap political points? Or did that fact just slide right by you, as so very many do, these days? Or maybe the whole thing just cuts a little too close to home for you, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Under this logic, doctors who perform abortions are mass murderers and the women who have them are also murderers...for anyone who really believes this, don&#039;t you have the moral obligation to do everything you can to stop abortions? It&#039;s no mystery why a zealot who believes this would take the next step to stop a person he felt was a mass murderer...as someone wrote elsewhere, it&#039;s surprising that this doesn&#039;t happen more often...&lt;/blockquote&gt; I once called for retro active abortions for all who support them, but it was a joke, but then again would it be so bad, under your own logic?  Under your logic witch is not logic, it could be rationalized. This is actually what the logic of a liberal thinker comes down to --&gt;. 

Baseless rationalization of thing you want to do, or want others to do. IT COULD NOT BE MORE SIMPLE.

But it goes deeper and is far more sinister.

why cant you see this. I do have a theory, well I would call it an observation of a truth, but being a liberal you would ether not understand it or deny it so I won&#039;t wast it on you.

You know, I am anti murder not  literally pro life, even that I am very fond of it, life that is,and I do think that all should get the choice to live.

To me the truth is also that if you think murder you commit it.

So luckily you aren&#039;t our judge in this even though you probably want to be and I&#039;m sure some of your leaders are working on laws for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Under this logic, doctors who perform abortions are mass murderers and the women who have them are also murderers...for anyone who really believes this, don't you have the moral obligation to do everything you can to stop abortions? It's no mystery why a zealot who believes this would take the next step to stop a person he felt was a mass murderer...as someone wrote elsewhere, it's surprising that this doesn't happen more often...</p></blockquote>
<p> I once called for retro active abortions for all who support them, but it was a joke, but then again would it be so bad, under your own logic?  Under your logic witch is not logic, it could be rationalized. This is actually what the logic of a liberal thinker comes down to --&gt;. </p>
<p>Baseless rationalization of thing you want to do, or want others to do. IT COULD NOT BE MORE SIMPLE.</p>
<p>But it goes deeper and is far more sinister.</p>
<p>why cant you see this. I do have a theory, well I would call it an observation of a truth, but being a liberal you would ether not understand it or deny it so I won't wast it on you.</p>
<p>You know, I am anti murder not  literally pro life, even that I am very fond of it, life that is,and I do think that all should get the choice to live.</p>
<p>To me the truth is also that if you think murder you commit it.</p>
<p>So luckily you aren't our judge in this even though you probably want to be and I'm sure some of your leaders are working on laws for.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The concept of &#039;context&#039; just gets right by you, doesn&#039;t it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The context is very clear. You exploiting the murder of a soldier to pick up a cheap political point.

&lt;blockquote&gt;what is clear is that you feel your position cannot withstand the comparison. Know what? You&#039;re right; It can&#039;t.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since I have not stated a position, the stupidity of your statement is obvious. But here, I will clue you in. My position is that a soldier serving our country has been tragically murdered. I hope the DA goes for the death penalty. We should honor his memory and service and not try to exploit his death for political gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The concept of 'context' just gets right by you, doesn't it?</p></blockquote>
<p>The context is very clear. You exploiting the murder of a soldier to pick up a cheap political point.</p>
<blockquote><p>what is clear is that you feel your position cannot withstand the comparison. Know what? You're right; It can't.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since I have not stated a position, the stupidity of your statement is obvious. But here, I will clue you in. My position is that a soldier serving our country has been tragically murdered. I hope the DA goes for the death penalty. We should honor his memory and service and not try to exploit his death for political gain.</p>
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