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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;We Tortured Mohammed al Qahtani&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/we_tortured_mohammed_al_qahtani/comment-page-1/#comment-603114</link>
		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I hope they start torturing traitorous liberal fruitcakes like mannning. We&#039;ve had just about enough of your girly-man over sensitive politically correct enemy protecting bullcrap!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well now! Calling &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt; a liberal? Maybe you used the wrong name there. Or maybe you can&#039;t read properly. Read what I wrote again from the point of view that I &lt;em&gt;support the fact that torture of some degree&lt;/em&gt; will be practiced now and in the future. Waterboarding is effective, but so are other tactics, depending on the individual.

It is a practical matter: many experienced field personnel (read: non-coms) in a war will tell you that applying a bit of coersion to captives out of sight and hearing from their officers is not unusual, and is very fast and effective. I have seen shiny, moralistic, book-following officers that hadn&#039;t a clue about it, too, and they could be grilled about their men&#039;s participation all day and not be able to verify it. 

No, on second thought, perhaps they won&#039;t tell you now, it might get them a summons to testify in your gurly court. So the issue is literally moot. Time to take the 5th!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I hope they start torturing traitorous liberal fruitcakes like mannning. We've had just about enough of your girly-man over sensitive politically correct enemy protecting bullcrap!</p></blockquote>
<p>Well now! Calling <em>me</em> a liberal? Maybe you used the wrong name there. Or maybe you can't read properly. Read what I wrote again from the point of view that I <em>support the fact that torture of some degree</em> will be practiced now and in the future. Waterboarding is effective, but so are other tactics, depending on the individual.</p>
<p>It is a practical matter: many experienced field personnel (read: non-coms) in a war will tell you that applying a bit of coersion to captives out of sight and hearing from their officers is not unusual, and is very fast and effective. I have seen shiny, moralistic, book-following officers that hadn't a clue about it, too, and they could be grilled about their men's participation all day and not be able to verify it. </p>
<p>No, on second thought, perhaps they won't tell you now, it might get them a summons to testify in your gurly court. So the issue is literally moot. Time to take the 5th!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert S.</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/we_tortured_mohammed_al_qahtani/comment-page-1/#comment-592836</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This piece of crap was going to MURDER thousands of Americans.  WHO CARES IF HE WAS TORTURED?  What about the lives of our citizens he was going to MURDER?  Doesn&#039;t that mean anything to you???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece of crap was going to MURDER thousands of Americans.  WHO CARES IF HE WAS TORTURED?  What about the lives of our citizens he was going to MURDER?  Doesn't that mean anything to you???</p>
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		<title>By: Robert S.</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/we_tortured_mohammed_al_qahtani/comment-page-1/#comment-592831</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals are always siding with enemy forces and have contributed to the division of this great nation.  They will continually berate EVERYTHING America does and then praise those who hate us. Do you pussies ever say anything good about our nation????????????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals are always siding with enemy forces and have contributed to the division of this great nation.  They will continually berate EVERYTHING America does and then praise those who hate us. Do you pussies ever say anything good about our nation????????????????</p>
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		<title>By: JACK</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/we_tortured_mohammed_al_qahtani/comment-page-1/#comment-592494</link>
		<dc:creator>JACK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ONLY LIBERAL MENTAL ILLNESS CARES ABOUT TORTURING MUSLIMS. ANY NORMAL PERSON UNDERSTANDS WHY ITS DONE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ONLY LIBERAL MENTAL ILLNESS CARES ABOUT TORTURING MUSLIMS. ANY NORMAL PERSON UNDERSTANDS WHY ITS DONE.</p>
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		<title>By: JACK</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/we_tortured_mohammed_al_qahtani/comment-page-1/#comment-592492</link>
		<dc:creator>JACK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALL MUSLIMS SHOULD BE TORTURED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL MUSLIMS SHOULD BE TORTURED</p>
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		<title>By: snoopdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>snoopdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals love the taste of muslim penis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals love the taste of muslim penis</p>
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		<title>By: UK</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/we_tortured_mohammed_al_qahtani/comment-page-1/#comment-591544</link>
		<dc:creator>UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope they start torturing traitorous liberal fruitcakes like mannning.  We&#039;ve had just about enough of your girly-man over sensitive politically correct enemy protecting bullcrap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they start torturing traitorous liberal fruitcakes like mannning.  We've had just about enough of your girly-man over sensitive politically correct enemy protecting bullcrap!</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that torture will go on.  I believe that those on the front line of terrorism, not the pantywaists back here, will resort to whatever means they think necessary to obtain information. Up their command channel, what they did will be somehow ignored, pasted over, or covered insofar as possible.  

I also  believe that the users of torture know what they are doing, and know that they will face harsh punishment if  brought to a court. It is the results they get, the payoffs, that tell them they must go on, not the constraints of law, policy, morality, or orders. (If anything, massive attempts to quash torture will ensure that what torture does go on will result in the death of the person tortured, and the disappearance of his body. DMTNT.)

That this is true is obvious: we have been torturing for years, despite a plethora of existing prohibitions, and statements about how useless torture is supposed to be. Few citizens have the background and accesses necessary to make a valid, just determination in these matters, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that torture will go on.  I believe that those on the front line of terrorism, not the pantywaists back here, will resort to whatever means they think necessary to obtain information. Up their command channel, what they did will be somehow ignored, pasted over, or covered insofar as possible.  </p>
<p>I also  believe that the users of torture know what they are doing, and know that they will face harsh punishment if  brought to a court. It is the results they get, the payoffs, that tell them they must go on, not the constraints of law, policy, morality, or orders. (If anything, massive attempts to quash torture will ensure that what torture does go on will result in the death of the person tortured, and the disappearance of his body. DMTNT.)</p>
<p>That this is true is obvious: we have been torturing for years, despite a plethora of existing prohibitions, and statements about how useless torture is supposed to be. Few citizens have the background and accesses necessary to make a valid, just determination in these matters, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/we_tortured_mohammed_al_qahtani/comment-page-1/#comment-588794</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mere torture is too good for the dogs being held at Guantanamo. Each and every one of those animals would kill an innocent American in a heartbeat, just because they are American. Would not matter one bit to them if you were a Liberal or a Conservative. The only true justice would be to put a bullet in the head of every prisoner at Guantanamo. They are illegal combatants, and merciless killers of the innocent, and they need to be treated as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mere torture is too good for the dogs being held at Guantanamo. Each and every one of those animals would kill an innocent American in a heartbeat, just because they are American. Would not matter one bit to them if you were a Liberal or a Conservative. The only true justice would be to put a bullet in the head of every prisoner at Guantanamo. They are illegal combatants, and merciless killers of the innocent, and they need to be treated as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Cotton Rotten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cotton Rotten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do unto others as they would do unto you. Unless you&#039;ve seen what others do to American personnel then you have no idea what maniacal means these animals use. Waterboarding is the least severe torture technique they use, I&#039;d waterboard every terrorist in the world to save one American life Anyone that disagrees should join the terrorists. I&#039;d do it and then go have some pie and catch a real nice nap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do unto others as they would do unto you. Unless you've seen what others do to American personnel then you have no idea what maniacal means these animals use. Waterboarding is the least severe torture technique they use, I'd waterboard every terrorist in the world to save one American life Anyone that disagrees should join the terrorists. I'd do it and then go have some pie and catch a real nice nap.</p>
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		<title>By: Obi Wannosi</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/we_tortured_mohammed_al_qahtani/comment-page-1/#comment-588688</link>
		<dc:creator>Obi Wannosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrorists do not adhere to the Genevea Convention. 

Nor should we, when it comes to protecting citizens of the U.S.A., and the rest of the free world.

If &quot;torturing&quot; this guy saved just ONE American life, it was worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrorists do not adhere to the Genevea Convention. </p>
<p>Nor should we, when it comes to protecting citizens of the U.S.A., and the rest of the free world.</p>
<p>If "torturing" this guy saved just ONE American life, it was worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: UK</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/we_tortured_mohammed_al_qahtani/comment-page-1/#comment-588280</link>
		<dc:creator>UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was too mild.  He needs to be tied behind a pickup truck and dragged for about 20 miles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was too mild.  He needs to be tied behind a pickup truck and dragged for about 20 miles.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/we_tortured_mohammed_al_qahtani/comment-page-1/#comment-586960</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and you guys are *still* making the absolutely pathetic argument that &quot;those bad guys do bad stuff, so we can do bad stuff, too.&quot;

You just can&#039;t help yourself.  It&#039;s an adolescent response and you KEEP doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and you guys are *still* making the absolutely pathetic argument that "those bad guys do bad stuff, so we can do bad stuff, too."</p>
<p>You just can't help yourself.  It's an adolescent response and you KEEP doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still waiting for a torture advocate to give me evidence that it makes us safer.  I ask this in almost every thread, and nobody answers.  It&#039;s a deafening silence, because the answer is obvious.  It doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm still waiting for a torture advocate to give me evidence that it makes us safer.  I ask this in almost every thread, and nobody answers.  It's a deafening silence, because the answer is obvious.  It doesn't.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;PD, I don&#039;t even know where to begin. But I will start with this: Give me a month with you in shackles and I can have you confessing to anything including Bf*ing 2 yr old boys... turn the tables and you could do the same to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

MMM. Yes.  I understand what excites you.  I&#039;m just describing what the law is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>PD, I don't even know where to begin. But I will start with this: Give me a month with you in shackles and I can have you confessing to anything including Bf*ing 2 yr old boys... turn the tables and you could do the same to me.</p></blockquote>
<p>MMM. Yes.  I understand what excites you.  I'm just describing what the law is.</p>
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