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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_aide_shot_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-486949</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which -- since one has to use very simple words to Bithead -- is why even Bush refuses to say that Libby was innocent and should therefore be flat-out pardoned.  (Well, that and the fact that -- if he had totally pardoned Libby instead of merely &quot;commuting&quot; his sentence -- Libby could have been forced to testify before Congress as to the Administration&#039;s more interesting activities on this front.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which -- since one has to use very simple words to Bithead -- is why even Bush refuses to say that Libby was innocent and should therefore be flat-out pardoned.  (Well, that and the fact that -- if he had totally pardoned Libby instead of merely "commuting" his sentence -- Libby could have been forced to testify before Congress as to the Administration's more interesting activities on this front.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_aide_shot_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-486938</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slight typo on my part: &quot;However, Rove managed to escape prosecution for perjury, because Fitzgerald managed to break those two reporters and get their confessions that Libby and Rove had been their sources just before Rove was planning to testify officially A SECOND TIME to Fitzgerald, giving him time to change his INITIAL story and say that he&#039;d somehow completely &#039;forgotten&#039; about revealing Plame&#039;s status while talking to that reporter -- whereas Libby had already testified REPEATEDLY to Fitzgerald, and gone into great detail as to how he KNEW for absolute certain that he&#039;d never spilled Plame&#039;s identity to any reporter.&quot;  Fitzgerald used Libby&#039;s solemn claim that he&#039;d actually suffered from amnesia on this subject a good half-dozen times to devastating effect on the jury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slight typo on my part: "However, Rove managed to escape prosecution for perjury, because Fitzgerald managed to break those two reporters and get their confessions that Libby and Rove had been their sources just before Rove was planning to testify officially A SECOND TIME to Fitzgerald, giving him time to change his INITIAL story and say that he'd somehow completely 'forgotten' about revealing Plame's status while talking to that reporter -- whereas Libby had already testified REPEATEDLY to Fitzgerald, and gone into great detail as to how he KNEW for absolute certain that he'd never spilled Plame's identity to any reporter."  Fitzgerald used Libby's solemn claim that he'd actually suffered from amnesia on this subject a good half-dozen times to devastating effect on the jury.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_aide_shot_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-486240</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing must be said for Bithead: he&#039;s consistently directional in his paranoia.  (But then, a 5-second glance at any part of his blogsite confirms that, once you&#039;ve wiped enough of the drool off the page to read his print.)

Incidentally -- as has been pointed out numerous times -- it&#039;s traditional custom for each President to fire the previous President&#039;s US attorneys and appoint his own at the START of his administration.  Reagan did it; Bush Sr. did it.  It&#039;s unprecedented for an administration to do what Bush Jr.&#039;s did, and start firing them suddenly in the MIDDLE of his administration just when they were starting to poke around in affairs that might be embarrassing to him politically -- which, of course, is what the entire fuss has been about.  (I await with delight Bitsy&#039;s comments on the Saturday Night Massacre, and indeed on Watergate in general.  After all, anyone who denies with a straight face that Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms were racists is obviously capable of flights of fancy that can leave Tolkien completely in the shade.)

And as for Armitage supposedly being the &quot;culprit&quot; in the Plame affair: please.  12 good men and true unanimously concluded -- on the basis of multiple lines of evidence presented by a Republican prosecutor -- that Scooter Libby had committed perjury.  And what he was covering up was that -- after Armitage had ACCIDENTALLY spilled the beans about Plame&#039;s covert status to only one reporter (which he immediately confessed to Fitzgerald at the very start of the investigation, without even being ordered to testify)  -- Libby and Rove eagerly and DELIBERATELY called one additional reporter after another to make sure the news got spread as far as possible, and then tried to deny that they&#039;d done it.  (As the AP pointed out in an article in late 2004, Rove was in fact privately confessing that fact to Fitzgerald right in the middle of the 2004 general-election campaign at exactly the same time that the White House was repeatedly denying that Rove had ever talked to ANY reporter about Plame at all.)  However, Rove managed to escape prosecution for perjury, because Fitzgerald managed to break those two reporters and get their confessions that Libby and Rove had been their sources just before Rove was planning to testify officially to Fitzgerald, giving him time to change his story and say that he&#039;d somehow completely &quot;forgotten&quot; about revealing Plame&#039;s status  -- whereas Libby had already testified, and gone into great detail as to how he KNEW for absolute certain that he&#039;d never spilled Plame&#039;s identity to any reporter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing must be said for Bithead: he's consistently directional in his paranoia.  (But then, a 5-second glance at any part of his blogsite confirms that, once you've wiped enough of the drool off the page to read his print.)</p>
<p>Incidentally -- as has been pointed out numerous times -- it's traditional custom for each President to fire the previous President's US attorneys and appoint his own at the START of his administration.  Reagan did it; Bush Sr. did it.  It's unprecedented for an administration to do what Bush Jr.'s did, and start firing them suddenly in the MIDDLE of his administration just when they were starting to poke around in affairs that might be embarrassing to him politically -- which, of course, is what the entire fuss has been about.  (I await with delight Bitsy's comments on the Saturday Night Massacre, and indeed on Watergate in general.  After all, anyone who denies with a straight face that Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms were racists is obviously capable of flights of fancy that can leave Tolkien completely in the shade.)</p>
<p>And as for Armitage supposedly being the "culprit" in the Plame affair: please.  12 good men and true unanimously concluded -- on the basis of multiple lines of evidence presented by a Republican prosecutor -- that Scooter Libby had committed perjury.  And what he was covering up was that -- after Armitage had ACCIDENTALLY spilled the beans about Plame's covert status to only one reporter (which he immediately confessed to Fitzgerald at the very start of the investigation, without even being ordered to testify)  -- Libby and Rove eagerly and DELIBERATELY called one additional reporter after another to make sure the news got spread as far as possible, and then tried to deny that they'd done it.  (As the AP pointed out in an article in late 2004, Rove was in fact privately confessing that fact to Fitzgerald right in the middle of the 2004 general-election campaign at exactly the same time that the White House was repeatedly denying that Rove had ever talked to ANY reporter about Plame at all.)  However, Rove managed to escape prosecution for perjury, because Fitzgerald managed to break those two reporters and get their confessions that Libby and Rove had been their sources just before Rove was planning to testify officially to Fitzgerald, giving him time to change his story and say that he'd somehow completely "forgotten" about revealing Plame's status  -- whereas Libby had already testified, and gone into great detail as to how he KNEW for absolute certain that he'd never spilled Plame's identity to any reporter.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_aide_shot_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-484495</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In some cases it can be. But clearly, there was more involved.

And by the way, I note that yet again today, there&#039;s nothing on the wires about the ME&#039;s report. wouldn&#039;t a clear cut case of suicide get a ruling a bit faster than this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some cases it can be. But clearly, there was more involved.</p>
<p>And by the way, I note that yet again today, there's nothing on the wires about the ME's report. wouldn't a clear cut case of suicide get a ruling a bit faster than this?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When you&#039;re dealing with the Clintons there&#039;s not only a reason, but a POLITICAL reason behind everything fliping thing they do&lt;/blockquote&gt;NIH isn&#039;t sufficiently political?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When you're dealing with the Clintons there's not only a reason, but a POLITICAL reason behind everything fliping thing they do</p></blockquote>
<p>NIH isn't sufficiently political?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NIH? 
I think not.
When you&#039;re dealing with the Clintons there&#039;s not only a reason, but a POLITICAL reason behind everything fliping thing they do.... as even their own loyalists will tell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NIH?<br />
I think not.<br />
When you're dealing with the Clintons there's not only a reason, but a POLITICAL reason behind everything fliping thing they do.... as even their own loyalists will tell you.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why on earth would &quot;I didn&#039;t put them there&quot; be a problem, unless Clinton suspected that they wouldn&#039;t prosecute members of the Republican party, as the Democrats in the WH demanded?&lt;/blockquote&gt;It&#039;s the political equivalent of NIH syndrome, I would imagine.  Still, there&#039;s a difference between a changing of the guard, and punishing the guard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why on earth would "I didn't put them there" be a problem, unless Clinton suspected that they wouldn't prosecute members of the Republican party, as the Democrats in the WH demanded?</p></blockquote>
<p>It's the political equivalent of NIH syndrome, I would imagine.  Still, there's a difference between a changing of the guard, and punishing the guard.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_aide_shot_dead/comment-page-1/#comment-483157</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You look to be pin dancing a bit, here.

Why on earth would &quot;I didn&#039;t put them there&quot; be a problem, unless Clinton suspected that they wouldn&#039;t prosecute members of the Republican party, as the Democrats in the WH demanded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You look to be pin dancing a bit, here.</p>
<p>Why on earth would "I didn't put them there" be a problem, unless Clinton suspected that they wouldn't prosecute members of the Republican party, as the Democrats in the WH demanded?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For no reason? You know better, don&#039;t you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh well of course there was a reason (there always is).  But &quot;because I didn&#039;t put them there&quot; is an acceptable reason for firing them, while &quot;because they didn&#039;t prosecute members of the opposing party like I wanted&quot; isn&#039;t acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For no reason? You know better, don't you?</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh well of course there was a reason (there always is).  But "because I didn't put them there" is an acceptable reason for firing them, while "because they didn't prosecute members of the opposing party like I wanted" isn't acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In any event, the woman was listed in &#039;who&#039;s who&#039;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Listed as what?  &quot;Valerie Plame, aka Valerie Wilson, wife of Joseph Wilson and undercover CIA spook&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In any event, the woman was listed in 'who's who'</p></blockquote>
<p>Listed as what?  "Valerie Plame, aka Valerie Wilson, wife of Joseph Wilson and undercover CIA spook"?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t lump murder as a &quot;symptom&quot; of corruption&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh... Search string: &quot;Hoffa&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The fact that somebody told reporters Valerie Plame&#039;s real name, while she was an undercover operative for the CIA, is very clear cut.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep. Thing is, they knew going into the investigation Armatage was the culprit there.. and by no stretch of anyone&#039;s imagination is he to be considered a Bush loyalist, sorry. In any event, the woman was listed in &#039;who&#039;s who&#039;... I mean come on, here.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nobody was saying he can&#039;t fire them, but Clinton fired them all at once at the start of his term, for no reason&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For no reason? You know better, don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don't lump murder as a "symptom" of corruption</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh... Search string: "Hoffa"</p>
<blockquote><p>The fact that somebody told reporters Valerie Plame's real name, while she was an undercover operative for the CIA, is very clear cut.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep. Thing is, they knew going into the investigation Armatage was the culprit there.. and by no stretch of anyone's imagination is he to be considered a Bush loyalist, sorry. In any event, the woman was listed in 'who's who'... I mean come on, here.</p>
<blockquote><p>Nobody was saying he can't fire them, but Clinton fired them all at once at the start of his term, for no reason</p></blockquote>
<p>For no reason? You know better, don't you?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But again, it&#039;s an issue of trust, not just to that point, but with corruption in general, of which political murder is only one of the many possible symptoms.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t lump murder as a &quot;symptom&quot; of corruption.  There&#039;s a world of difference between taking lobbyist kickbacks and killing somebody.

&lt;blockquote&gt;...which is about as credible as Kucinich&#039;s nonsense....&lt;/blockquote&gt;Kucinish is trying to impeach the president on allegations of getting us into Iraq using knowingly false statements.  Whether they knew they were false, or believed they were false, or whether they were responsible for getting us into Iraq, is not clear-cut.  The fact that somebody told reporters Valerie Plame&#039;s real name, while she was an undercover operative for the CIA, is very clear cut.

&lt;blockquote&gt;They serve at the plasure of the President... As was argued by the Democrats after Clinton did it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Nobody was saying he can&#039;t fire them, but Clinton fired them all at once at the start of his term, for no reason.  These were fired after resisting pressure for them to prosecute certain political cases that they did not feel should be prosecuted.  Here in Florida you can fire an employee for no reason, but you can&#039;t fire them for the wrong reasons, I believe the same holds in the Justice Department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But again, it's an issue of trust, not just to that point, but with corruption in general, of which political murder is only one of the many possible symptoms.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't lump murder as a "symptom" of corruption.  There's a world of difference between taking lobbyist kickbacks and killing somebody.</p>
<blockquote><p>...which is about as credible as Kucinich's nonsense....</p></blockquote>
<p>Kucinish is trying to impeach the president on allegations of getting us into Iraq using knowingly false statements.  Whether they knew they were false, or believed they were false, or whether they were responsible for getting us into Iraq, is not clear-cut.  The fact that somebody told reporters Valerie Plame's real name, while she was an undercover operative for the CIA, is very clear cut.</p>
<blockquote><p>They serve at the plasure of the President... As was argued by the Democrats after Clinton did it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nobody was saying he can't fire them, but Clinton fired them all at once at the start of his term, for no reason.  These were fired after resisting pressure for them to prosecute certain political cases that they did not feel should be prosecuted.  Here in Florida you can fire an employee for no reason, but you can't fire them for the wrong reasons, I believe the same holds in the Justice Department.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is absolutely shocking and terrible news. Weapons laws in this country may have prevented this tragedy if they were enforced properly&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Has nothing to do with it. What would ahve prevented him from driving off the cliff he was parked in front of? Would that style of death make you feel better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is absolutely shocking and terrible news. Weapons laws in this country may have prevented this tragedy if they were enforced properly</p></blockquote>
<p>Has nothing to do with it. What would ahve prevented him from driving off the cliff he was parked in front of? Would that style of death make you feel better?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m pretty sure people weren&#039;t voting for Obama because they thought Hillary might kill them and make it look like a suicide&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nice twist.
But again, it&#039;s an issue of trust, not just to that point, but with corruption in general, of which political murder is only one of the many possible symptoms.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was referring to the Plame case&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...which is about as credible as Kucinich&#039;s nonsense....


  &lt;blockquote&gt;Justice Department firings, etc. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
They serve at the plasure of the President... As was argued by the Democrats after Clinton did it.

End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm pretty sure people weren't voting for Obama because they thought Hillary might kill them and make it look like a suicide</p></blockquote>
<p>Nice twist.<br />
But again, it's an issue of trust, not just to that point, but with corruption in general, of which political murder is only one of the many possible symptoms.</p>
<blockquote><p>I was referring to the Plame case</p></blockquote>
<p>...which is about as credible as Kucinich's nonsense....</p>
<blockquote><p>Justice Department firings, etc. </p></blockquote>
<p>They serve at the plasure of the President... As was argued by the Democrats after Clinton did it.</p>
<p>End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is absolutely shocking and terrible news.  Weapons laws in this country may have prevented this tragedy if they were enforced properly, but regardless this is a tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absolutely shocking and terrible news.  Weapons laws in this country may have prevented this tragedy if they were enforced properly, but regardless this is a tragedy.</p>
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