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		<title>By: Obama-Webb 08 - 2parse/blog</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_for_vp_backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-386338</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama-Webb 08 - 2parse/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 20:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Obama-Webb ticket: Kathy G on Matt Yglesias&#8217;s blog and Ezra Klein at The American Prospect.  James Joyner over at Outside the Beltway provides a good summary of the arguments being used against [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Obama-Webb ticket: Kathy G on Matt Yglesias&#8217;s blog and Ezra Klein at The American Prospect.  James Joyner over at Outside the Beltway provides a good summary of the arguments being used against [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Obama/Webb 2008: The Downside &#171; An Army of Principles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama/Webb 2008: The Downside &#171; An Army of Principles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2008: The&#160;Downside  Posted on May 29, 2008 by bishop   Outside the Beltway has a decent rundown of the case against Jim Webb as Obama&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: paul a'barge</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_for_vp_backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-386007</link>
		<dc:creator>paul a'barge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, all y&#039;all Obamaniacs, please talk yourselves out of putting Webb on the ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, all y'all Obamaniacs, please talk yourselves out of putting Webb on the ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Mendenhall</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_for_vp_backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-385316</link>
		<dc:creator>Mendenhall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 05:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the Kathy G post, and you mis-characterize what she wrote.  Most of the post focused on Webb&#039;s prior comments about women&#039;s fitness to serve in the military (including the damaging effect his views had on women in the Navy at the time), and his failure to take seriously the sexual abuse reported in the Tailhook scandal.  There&#039;s no question that if Webb were on the ticket, these views would be fodder for Republican attacks, and would probably widen the divide between Clinton and Obama supporters when party unity is needed.  

Prior to reading Kathy G&#039;s post, I&#039;d heard that Webb had said some unflattering things about women, but had dismissed it as just another example of right-wing character assassination.  I&#039;d rooted for Webb when he ran against Allen, and cheered when he won.  I&#039;d heard interviews of him and was impressed by his intelligence and candor.  I still think he has a lot of positives, but I was shocked at some of the things he&#039;s said that were cited in the blog post, and even more shocked at how recent some of those quotes were.  1997 was not that long ago, and at that time, Webb said that efforts to ensure fair treatment for women in the military are illegitimate (because, he claims, they are driven by egotistical feminist social engineers).  That&#039;s crazy talk.  I&#039;m sorry, but it just is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the Kathy G post, and you mis-characterize what she wrote.  Most of the post focused on Webb's prior comments about women's fitness to serve in the military (including the damaging effect his views had on women in the Navy at the time), and his failure to take seriously the sexual abuse reported in the Tailhook scandal.  There's no question that if Webb were on the ticket, these views would be fodder for Republican attacks, and would probably widen the divide between Clinton and Obama supporters when party unity is needed.  </p>
<p>Prior to reading Kathy G's post, I'd heard that Webb had said some unflattering things about women, but had dismissed it as just another example of right-wing character assassination.  I'd rooted for Webb when he ran against Allen, and cheered when he won.  I'd heard interviews of him and was impressed by his intelligence and candor.  I still think he has a lot of positives, but I was shocked at some of the things he's said that were cited in the blog post, and even more shocked at how recent some of those quotes were.  1997 was not that long ago, and at that time, Webb said that efforts to ensure fair treatment for women in the military are illegitimate (because, he claims, they are driven by egotistical feminist social engineers).  That's crazy talk.  I'm sorry, but it just is.</p>
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		<title>By: skylights</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_for_vp_backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-385309</link>
		<dc:creator>skylights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 05:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want someone who will help Obama get elected AND someone who will be a good VP. A good VP will help Obama be a good president, which will help him even more when he goes up for re-election. By this standard, Webb may not be the right choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want someone who will help Obama get elected AND someone who will be a good VP. A good VP will help Obama be a good president, which will help him even more when he goes up for re-election. By this standard, Webb may not be the right choice.</p>
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		<title>By: The Art of the Possible &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Veep Veep! II</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_for_vp_backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-385181</link>
		<dc:creator>The Art of the Possible &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Veep Veep! II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 02:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hot mentionable is freshman Virginia Senator Jim Webb, and as James Joyner notes in his link roundup, Webb is so hot that the inevitable backlash has set in. Somehow, James misses the best backlash [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hot mentionable is freshman Virginia Senator Jim Webb, and as James Joyner notes in his link roundup, Webb is so hot that the inevitable backlash has set in. Somehow, James misses the best backlash [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hmmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 23:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how can Webb be a loose cannon or not a team player - yet get 75 votes for the GI Bill?  That has to take some finesse.  Look at how hard the admin. is against it.  McCain didn&#039;t even bother to show up and vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how can Webb be a loose cannon or not a team player - yet get 75 votes for the GI Bill?  That has to take some finesse.  Look at how hard the admin. is against it.  McCain didn't even bother to show up and vote.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;please, no Clark. This from a guy who supported him in &#039;04 for the Dem nomination. He&#039;s too close to Clinton&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

This is a positive for the VP choice. Hillary got a lot of votes. Lets keep that in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>please, no Clark. This from a guy who supported him in '04 for the Dem nomination. He's too close to Clinton</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a positive for the VP choice. Hillary got a lot of votes. Lets keep that in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Terra</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_for_vp_backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-384434</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a huge Webb fan in general, but I&#039;m uncertain about him for a veep choice for a couple of reasons: one you mention but dismiss, and one you only signal towards mentioning:

1) The Senate seat. I understand you don&#039;t care whether the Dems have a strong hold on the Senate. That&#039;s fine, but I, and a lot of Democrats like me, do care.

The more important is the second point: what you refer to as &quot;making some fairly outrageous and offensive statements&quot;. Webb wasn&#039;t misogynist because he held traditional opinions about single-sex militaries; he was misogynist because he said some really horrible things. Similarly, other things he said weren&#039;t just &quot;wingnutty&quot;, they were also both offensive and, more importantly, wrong.

I think Webb has sterling qualities that weigh strongly on the other side of the balance, and I think he&#039; grown since the time in which he was being so offensive. But it is a political weakness, especially given a strong core of Clinton irredentists being trained to resent Obama and to see sexism in his candidacy. Obama should not go so far as to include Clinton on his ticket, but he similarly should be careful to avoid unnecessary additional incitement to her supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm a huge Webb fan in general, but I'm uncertain about him for a veep choice for a couple of reasons: one you mention but dismiss, and one you only signal towards mentioning:</p>
<p>1) The Senate seat. I understand you don't care whether the Dems have a strong hold on the Senate. That's fine, but I, and a lot of Democrats like me, do care.</p>
<p>The more important is the second point: what you refer to as "making some fairly outrageous and offensive statements". Webb wasn't misogynist because he held traditional opinions about single-sex militaries; he was misogynist because he said some really horrible things. Similarly, other things he said weren't just "wingnutty", they were also both offensive and, more importantly, wrong.</p>
<p>I think Webb has sterling qualities that weigh strongly on the other side of the balance, and I think he' grown since the time in which he was being so offensive. But it is a political weakness, especially given a strong core of Clinton irredentists being trained to resent Obama and to see sexism in his candidacy. Obama should not go so far as to include Clinton on his ticket, but he similarly should be careful to avoid unnecessary additional incitement to her supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Tidbits: May 28, 2008 &#171; Roadkill Refugee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Tidbits: May 28, 2008 &#171; Roadkill Refugee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Pros &amp; Cons of Senator Webb as Obama&#8217;s Veep. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: More On Jim Webb &#171; Chris Navin</title>
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		<dc:creator>More On Jim Webb &#171; Chris Navin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the democratic backlash here at Outside the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/webb_for_vp_backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-384391</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please, no Clark. This from a guy who supported him in &#039;04 for the Dem nomination. He&#039;s too close to Clinton and isn&#039;t a fiery as i want my VP candidate to be.
Webb is my choice, but he needs to get on his knees and explain why he deserves support from women. I don&#039;t know if he&#039;s capable of that. Other than that, he&#039;s tough and commands respect from all who see/hear him. And he don&#039;t take no sheeat from no one. Let him go toe to toe with Ridge, Huckabee and McCain himself. Imagine him debating Romney. Geez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please, no Clark. This from a guy who supported him in '04 for the Dem nomination. He's too close to Clinton and isn't a fiery as i want my VP candidate to be.<br />
Webb is my choice, but he needs to get on his knees and explain why he deserves support from women. I don't know if he's capable of that. Other than that, he's tough and commands respect from all who see/hear him. And he don't take no sheeat from no one. Let him go toe to toe with Ridge, Huckabee and McCain himself. Imagine him debating Romney. Geez.</p>
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		<title>By: bperk</title>
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		<dc:creator>bperk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reasons for why Webb isn&#039;t Obama&#039;s best choice:

1.  Webb didn&#039;t do any better among white, non-college educated voters than you would expect from any other democrat.
2.  Webb has low approval ratings in VA.  He has low visibility because he doesn&#039;t really do much outreach to voters.
3.  Webb has problems with women in the military not just combat roles, as his 1997 Weekly Standard article (Kathy G. linked to it) clearly indicated.
4.  Webb is more centrist than Obama.  Is that what Obama really wants for his 3rd and 4th term?
5.  Webb voted for telecom immunity.
6.  Webb supported Allen as recently as 2000, and has turned to the Dems since the Iraq War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reasons for why Webb isn't Obama's best choice:</p>
<p>1.  Webb didn't do any better among white, non-college educated voters than you would expect from any other democrat.<br />
2.  Webb has low approval ratings in VA.  He has low visibility because he doesn't really do much outreach to voters.<br />
3.  Webb has problems with women in the military not just combat roles, as his 1997 Weekly Standard article (Kathy G. linked to it) clearly indicated.<br />
4.  Webb is more centrist than Obama.  Is that what Obama really wants for his 3rd and 4th term?<br />
5.  Webb voted for telecom immunity.<br />
6.  Webb supported Allen as recently as 2000, and has turned to the Dems since the Iraq War.</p>
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		<title>By: Around The Campaign 2008 Sphere May 28m 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Around The Campaign 2008 Sphere May 28m 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WILL JIM WEBB RUN FOR VEEP WITH OBAMA? Or did he just say something that rules him out.. And has there been backlash to the idea? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Ezra Klein thinks no VP for Webb because&quot; “there’s a lot about what James Webb thinks that we simply don’t know.”

My goodness, that&#039;s &quot;word for word&quot; why the entire liberal voters and their media - much of the independents - and some of the GOP, messiah struck, ought to be concerned about Obama. He&#039;s a Photoshop candidate from hell, not heaven. Then again, much of America doesn&#039;t think those places exist anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Ezra Klein thinks no VP for Webb because" “there&rsquo;s a lot about what James Webb thinks that we simply don&rsquo;t know.”</p>
<p>My goodness, that's "word for word" why the entire liberal voters and their media - much of the independents - and some of the GOP, messiah struck, ought to be concerned about Obama. He's a Photoshop candidate from hell, not heaven. Then again, much of America doesn't think those places exist anymore.</p>
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