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		<title>By: CR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne - 

Yes, but neither the fact that it&#039;s plural nor the fact that it&#039;s not capitalized means that it refers to 1- to 4- star generals.  It&#039;s plural because there can be more than one 5-star general (we just haven&#039;t had any in a while) and it&#039;s not capitalized because military ranks are not capitalized when used to refer to non-specific persons (military personnel often get this wrong--I am very guilty of it.) If you read through 670-1 you&#039;ll note that it consistently does not capitalize ranks when used in the middle of sentences to refer to non-specific officers.  General of the Army is often misused as a construction, but 670-1 uses it correctly here.

You may also note that section 28-9.a (page 209) uses precisely the same construction to distinguish 5-star generals from other general officers.

&lt;blockquote&gt; 28–9. Branch insignia—authority for
a. General officers.
(1) The Chief of Staff, former Chiefs of Staff, and generals of the Army (five star) may prescribe their branch
insignia.
(2) All other general officers may wear branch insignia at their option. If they choose this option, general officers
will wear the branch insignia for the position to which they are appointed, or for their duty assignment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If it referred to all generals, there would be no need to add the &quot;of the Army,&quot; as the regulation is an Army manual.  Further, there would be no need to specifically indicate the Chief of Staff of the Army under the same proviso if this referred to all generals--the Chief of Staff of the Army definitely falls into the category of general.  By doing so, the regulation makes an allowance for the senior uniformed general in the Army, granting him a privilege normally reserved for 5-star generals.

Finally, AR 670-1 is full of regulations for the uniforms of general officers, many quite specific.  While some general officers may, very rarely, overlook or choose to ignore these regulations, and can certainly afford to, they don&#039;t have carte blanche to design their own uniforms unless and until they get their fifth star or become the Army Chief of Staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne - </p>
<p>Yes, but neither the fact that it's plural nor the fact that it's not capitalized means that it refers to 1- to 4- star generals.  It's plural because there can be more than one 5-star general (we just haven't had any in a while) and it's not capitalized because military ranks are not capitalized when used to refer to non-specific persons (military personnel often get this wrong--I am very guilty of it.) If you read through 670-1 you'll note that it consistently does not capitalize ranks when used in the middle of sentences to refer to non-specific officers.  General of the Army is often misused as a construction, but 670-1 uses it correctly here.</p>
<p>You may also note that section 28-9.a (page 209) uses precisely the same construction to distinguish 5-star generals from other general officers.</p>
<blockquote><p> 28–9. Branch insignia—authority for<br />
a. General officers.<br />
(1) The Chief of Staff, former Chiefs of Staff, and generals of the Army (five star) may prescribe their branch<br />
insignia.<br />
(2) All other general officers may wear branch insignia at their option. If they choose this option, general officers<br />
will wear the branch insignia for the position to which they are appointed, or for their duty assignment.</p></blockquote>
<p>If it referred to all generals, there would be no need to add the "of the Army," as the regulation is an Army manual.  Further, there would be no need to specifically indicate the Chief of Staff of the Army under the same proviso if this referred to all generals--the Chief of Staff of the Army definitely falls into the category of general.  By doing so, the regulation makes an allowance for the senior uniformed general in the Army, granting him a privilege normally reserved for 5-star generals.</p>
<p>Finally, AR 670-1 is full of regulations for the uniforms of general officers, many quite specific.  While some general officers may, very rarely, overlook or choose to ignore these regulations, and can certainly afford to, they don't have carte blanche to design their own uniforms unless and until they get their fifth star or become the Army Chief of Staff.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CR
Read it again it says “generals of the Army” not the “General of the Army”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CR<br />
Read it again it says “generals of the Army” not the “General of the Army”.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care what size stars he is currently sporting on his berret stateside.  I doubt you will be seeing them if he&#039;s in the field touring Iraq or Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't care what size stars he is currently sporting on his berret stateside.  I doubt you will be seeing them if he's in the field touring Iraq or Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hate to jump in such a lame gripe but unless it has change recently Army Generals may prescribe his or her own uniform. 

“It does not apply to generals of the Army, the Chief of Staff of the Army, or former Chiefs of Staff of the Army, each
of whom may prescribe his or her own uniform.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;General of the Army&quot; refers to a 5-star General, a rank that&#039;s very rare in the peacetime Army.  Omar Bradley was the last 5-star.  General Petraeus is an Army General, but not a General of the Army.  Generals of 1 to 4 stars rarely take advantage of their rank to make their own dress code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hate to jump in such a lame gripe but unless it has change recently Army Generals may prescribe his or her own uniform. </p>
<p>“It does not apply to generals of the Army, the Chief of Staff of the Army, or former Chiefs of Staff of the Army, each<br />
of whom may prescribe his or her own uniform.”</p></blockquote>
<p>"General of the Army" refers to a 5-star General, a rank that's very rare in the peacetime Army.  Omar Bradley was the last 5-star.  General Petraeus is an Army General, but not a General of the Army.  Generals of 1 to 4 stars rarely take advantage of their rank to make their own dress code.</p>
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		<title>By: steve s</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being in Fla again, btw, is a huge culture shock, after 12 years living in NC around the colleges Shaw, Meredith, Peace, NCCU, NCSU, Duke, UNC etc. I hope you&#039;re below the &#039;bubba belt&#039;. I&#039;m not. My first week back here, I had to listen to townsfolk complaining about white girls marryin&#039; &quot;coloreds&quot;. It&#039;s like I went from San Francisco to the Ozarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being in Fla again, btw, is a huge culture shock, after 12 years living in NC around the colleges Shaw, Meredith, Peace, NCCU, NCSU, Duke, UNC etc. I hope you're below the 'bubba belt'. I'm not. My first week back here, I had to listen to townsfolk complaining about white girls marryin' "coloreds". It's like I went from San Francisco to the Ozarks.</p>
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		<title>By: steve s</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, I don&#039;t personally know anything about the guy, bob. But I did look it up when you suggested otherwise. Here&#039;s this from Wikipedia:

&lt;blockquote&gt;During 1993–94, Petraeus continued his long association with the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) as the division&#039;s Assistant Chief of Staff, G-3 (plans, operations and training) and installation Director of Plans, Training, and Mobilization (DPTM). In 1995, he was assigned to the United Nations Mission in Haiti Military Staff as its Chief Operations Officer during Operation Uphold Democracy. His next command, from 1995–97, was the 1st Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division, centered on the 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment. At that post, his brigade&#039;s training cycle at Fort Polk&#039;s Joint Readiness Training Center for low-intensity warfare was chronicled by novelist and military enthusiast Tom Clancy in his book Airborne. From 1997-99 Petraeus served in the Pentagon as Executive Assistant to the Director of the Joint Staff and then to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Henry Shelton, who described Petraeus as &quot;a high-energy individual who likes to lead from the front, in any field he is going into.&quot;[34] In 1999, as a brigadier general, Petraeus returned to the 82nd, serving as the assistant division commander for operations and then, briefly, as acting commanding general. During his time with the 82nd, he deployed to Kuwait as part of Operation Desert Spring, the continuous rotation of combat forces through Kuwait during the decade after the Gulf War.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So you&#039;re right that he did have a relationship with the 101st, but he also was in charge of the 82nd to some degree. BTW where are you in Fla? I&#039;m about 35 miles north of Gainesville, on 441.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, I don't personally know anything about the guy, bob. But I did look it up when you suggested otherwise. Here's this from Wikipedia:</p>
<blockquote><p>During 1993–94, Petraeus continued his long association with the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) as the division's Assistant Chief of Staff, G-3 (plans, operations and training) and installation Director of Plans, Training, and Mobilization (DPTM). In 1995, he was assigned to the United Nations Mission in Haiti Military Staff as its Chief Operations Officer during Operation Uphold Democracy. His next command, from 1995–97, was the 1st Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division, centered on the 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment. At that post, his brigade's training cycle at Fort Polk's Joint Readiness Training Center for low-intensity warfare was chronicled by novelist and military enthusiast Tom Clancy in his book Airborne. From 1997-99 Petraeus served in the Pentagon as Executive Assistant to the Director of the Joint Staff and then to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Henry Shelton, who described Petraeus as "a high-energy individual who likes to lead from the front, in any field he is going into."[34] In 1999, as a brigadier general, Petraeus returned to the 82nd, serving as the assistant division commander for operations and then, briefly, as acting commanding general. During his time with the 82nd, he deployed to Kuwait as part of Operation Desert Spring, the continuous rotation of combat forces through Kuwait during the decade after the Gulf War.</p></blockquote>
<p>So you're right that he did have a relationship with the 101st, but he also was in charge of the 82nd to some degree. BTW where are you in Fla? I'm about 35 miles north of Gainesville, on 441.</p>
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		<title>By: bob in  fla</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob in  fla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, steves, you or your friend stuck your foot in it. Petreaus was commander of the 101st Airborne, not the 82nd. 

Also, a not too well known story. An enlisted man accidentally shot Petreaus, seriously wounding him in the chest, at the rifle range at FT Campbell. Rather than give the GI a court marshal, he signed the orders for him to attend Ranger School. That Ranger went on to serve honorably in Iraq. Petreaus has a deserved reputation of giving second chances to his people.

I don&#039;t know the man either, but I thought I&#039;d pass that along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, steves, you or your friend stuck your foot in it. Petreaus was commander of the 101st Airborne, not the 82nd. </p>
<p>Also, a not too well known story. An enlisted man accidentally shot Petreaus, seriously wounding him in the chest, at the rifle range at FT Campbell. Rather than give the GI a court marshal, he signed the orders for him to attend Ranger School. That Ranger went on to serve honorably in Iraq. Petreaus has a deserved reputation of giving second chances to his people.</p>
<p>I don't know the man either, but I thought I'd pass that along.</p>
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		<title>By: steve s</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI:

I never served anywhere under Petraeus. I don&#039;t know squat about the guy. But a friend of mine was in the 82nd in the late 1990&#039;s (He even consulted on the Tom Clancey book Airborne) and he hates the guy. Said Petraeus was using the 82nd as a stepping stone, didn&#039;t care about the unit, and always made decisions based on how the politics would work out for him. 

Like I said, I don&#039;t know anything about the guy. But there are some people who served under him who don&#039;t think he&#039;s so great. FWIW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI:</p>
<p>I never served anywhere under Petraeus. I don't know squat about the guy. But a friend of mine was in the 82nd in the late 1990's (He even consulted on the Tom Clancey book Airborne) and he hates the guy. Said Petraeus was using the 82nd as a stepping stone, didn't care about the unit, and always made decisions based on how the politics would work out for him. </p>
<p>Like I said, I don't know anything about the guy. But there are some people who served under him who don't think he's so great. FWIW.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moving past silk panties........

With what this guy has accomplished, he can wear 5 inch stars for all I care.

I know it isn&#039;t the military way.......but did anyone notice any other hype last night?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving past silk panties........</p>
<p>With what this guy has accomplished, he can wear 5 inch stars for all I care.</p>
<p>I know it isn't the military way.......but did anyone notice any other hype last night?</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;SIX HUNDRED AND NINETY-FIVE DOLLARS....sumbitch. What are the odds it&#039;s made here in the USandA??.

No, that could be the amount of money that changed hands on the the night you were conceived.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Uh oh..somebody doubled down on their douchebag medication. So is that &quot;No&quot; it&#039;s not made in the USandA or &quot;No&quot; to the other question I didn&#039;t ask?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>SIX HUNDRED AND NINETY-FIVE DOLLARS....sumbitch. What are the odds it's made here in the USandA??.</p>
<p>No, that could be the amount of money that changed hands on the the night you were conceived.</p></blockquote>
<p>Uh oh..somebody doubled down on their douchebag medication. So is that "No" it's not made in the USandA or "No" to the other question I didn't ask?.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to jump in such a lame gripe but unless it has change recently Army Generals may prescribe his or her own uniform. 


“It does not apply to generals of the Army, the Chief of Staff of the Army, or former Chiefs of Staff of the Army, each
of whom may prescribe his or her own uniform.”

http://usmilitary.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/r670%5F1.pdf


Also the Beret is authorize and often worn by both officers and enlisted withthe Class A and B uniforms. I am not a big fan of the berets although they are O.K. with dress uniforms. Give me the BDU\DCU\ACU cap any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to jump in such a lame gripe but unless it has change recently Army Generals may prescribe his or her own uniform. </p>
<p>“It does not apply to generals of the Army, the Chief of Staff of the Army, or former Chiefs of Staff of the Army, each<br />
of whom may prescribe his or her own uniform.”</p>
<p><a href="http://usmilitary.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/r670%5F1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://usmilitary.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/r670%5F1.pdf</a></p>
<p>Also the Beret is authorize and often worn by both officers and enlisted withthe Class A and B uniforms. I am not a big fan of the berets although they are O.K. with dress uniforms. Give me the BDU\DCU\ACU cap any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Eneils Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eneils Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson,
This has been fun.
Got to go out tonight and meet some family for dinner.
Love and Kisses, see you tomorrow.
Thanks,
Eneils</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson,<br />
This has been fun.<br />
Got to go out tonight and meet some family for dinner.<br />
Love and Kisses, see you tomorrow.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Eneils</p>
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		<title>By: Eneils Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eneils Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson,

You took my comments to a different level...

Shows your absolute ignorance of the military standards and civilian behavior.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If the Army required him to actually submit to anal intercourse,&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I doubt that he has been required to attend social functions with you.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Only someone insecure about his own gay-ass longings could take offense.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, why did you get mad?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Regardless, the service beret is OBJECTIVELY gay-ass.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And those silk panties you wear are manly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson,</p>
<p>You took my comments to a different level...</p>
<p>Shows your absolute ignorance of the military standards and civilian behavior.</p>
<blockquote><p>If the Army required him to actually submit to anal intercourse,</p></blockquote>
<p>I doubt that he has been required to attend social functions with you.</p>
<blockquote><p>Only someone insecure about his own gay-ass longings could take offense.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, why did you get mad?</p>
<blockquote><p>Regardless, the service beret is OBJECTIVELY gay-ass.</p></blockquote>
<p>And those silk panties you wear are manly?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eneils, the general is wearing that beret because he has to.  If the Army required him to actually submit to anal intercourse, he would surely do it out of love for his country.  An analogy that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/02/generals-seek-to-reverse_n_163070.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;probably has occurred to him very recently&lt;/a&gt;.

Only someone insecure about his own gay-ass longings could take offense.

Regardless, the service beret is OBJECTIVELY gay-ass.

-- Anyone know how Petraeus landed Super Bowl tickets, btw?  Were they a gift?

-- Let&#039;s hope the MacArthur analogy doesn&#039;t bear out.  What a histrionic phony that guy was.  Would&#039;ve been great had he stayed, oh, captain or thereabouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eneils, the general is wearing that beret because he has to.  If the Army required him to actually submit to anal intercourse, he would surely do it out of love for his country.  An analogy that <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/02/generals-seek-to-reverse_n_163070.html" rel="nofollow">probably has occurred to him very recently</a>.</p>
<p>Only someone insecure about his own gay-ass longings could take offense.</p>
<p>Regardless, the service beret is OBJECTIVELY gay-ass.</p>
<p>-- Anyone know how Petraeus landed Super Bowl tickets, btw?  Were they a gift?</p>
<p>-- Let's hope the MacArthur analogy doesn't bear out.  What a histrionic phony that guy was.  Would've been great had he stayed, oh, captain or thereabouts.</p>
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		<title>By: Eneils Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eneils Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;SIX HUNDRED AND NINETY-FIVE DOLLARS....sumbitch. What are the odds it&#039;s made here in the USandA??.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, that could be the amount of money that changed hands on the the night you were conceived.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Makes a fella wonder what they get for a handful of the 1 inch stars...or the whole uniform. Sheesh&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You could piss away $10,000.00 at Brooks Brothers and come nowhere close to looking as good as the General in his uniform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>SIX HUNDRED AND NINETY-FIVE DOLLARS....sumbitch. What are the odds it's made here in the USandA??.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, that could be the amount of money that changed hands on the the night you were conceived.</p>
<blockquote><p>Makes a fella wonder what they get for a handful of the 1 inch stars...or the whole uniform. Sheesh</p></blockquote>
<p>You could piss away $10,000.00 at Brooks Brothers and come nowhere close to looking as good as the General in his uniform.</p>
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