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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read John Dean&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20030718.html&quot;&gt;explanation&lt;/a&gt; as to why it wasn&#039;t just this silly fascination with 16 words, but with pretty much all of the above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read John Dean's <a href="http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20030718.html">explanation</a> as to why it wasn't just this silly fascination with 16 words, but with pretty much all of the above.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

This is interesting although not particularly revealing. In addition to the fact that Dean has no expertise whatever in this matter, he gets a material fact wrong from the get-go: 

Dean: &lt;i&gt;Indeed, the claim that these WMDs posed an imminent threat was his primary argument in favor of war.&lt;/i&gt;

SOTU: &lt;i&gt;Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late.&lt;/i&gt;

Thus, a direct acknowledgment that the threat wasn&#039;t imminent but possible.

And, in the same vein, quibbling over whether the anthrax estimates were enough to produce 20,000 gallons vs. 30,000 gallons is rather silly.  Obviously, these are educated guesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>This is interesting although not particularly revealing. In addition to the fact that Dean has no expertise whatever in this matter, he gets a material fact wrong from the get-go: </p>
<p>Dean: <i>Indeed, the claim that these WMDs posed an imminent threat was his primary argument in favor of war.</i></p>
<p>SOTU: <i>Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late.</i></p>
<p>Thus, a direct acknowledgment that the threat wasn't imminent but possible.</p>
<p>And, in the same vein, quibbling over whether the anthrax estimates were enough to produce 20,000 gallons vs. 30,000 gallons is rather silly.  Obviously, these are educated guesses.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think that&#039;s really semantic quibbling of the highest order.  In fact, the very line you quote above,&lt;i&gt;If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late&lt;/i&gt; is in fact a de facto statement that Iraq was an imminent threat.  It&#039;s like saying that there are forces massing on our border, but they&#039;re not in the country yet.  We can&#039;t wait until the flood of enemy combatants armed with nuclear weapons show up by blowing up our cities.

As to the anthrax estimates, please read the charge.  The basis of these numbers is the amount of growth medium they estimated Iraq has.  It&#039;s like saying we know you have 50,000 dogs because you have 100 tons of dog food.  This is an incredibly weak claim.

Point 2 shows an even weaker claim.  Production capacity does not equate to produced units.  Point 3 shows a complete and blatant misrepresentation of the source - i.e. UNSCOM.  Point 4 is a &quot;show me the source&quot;.  Not damning in itself but certainly goes to deliberate inflation of estimates to paint a scarier picture.  Point 5 is the famous &quot;Trailers of Hydrogen Production&quot;.  Weird how we haven&#039;t heard jack about these since the Brits said it was highly likely they were knock offs of old models they had sold them.  Point 6 is the nuclear issue in general, certainly laughable knowing what we now know.  Point 7 is the actual 16 words.  Point 8 is just another example of really, really weak evidence being used to buttress a paper argument.  Given that the centrifuge guy said that they were used for missiles pretty much drives a nail into how weak the argument was.  Again, not a smoking gun, rather going to show a deliberate pattern of deception and threat inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think that's really semantic quibbling of the highest order.  In fact, the very line you quote above,<i>If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late</i> is in fact a de facto statement that Iraq was an imminent threat.  It's like saying that there are forces massing on our border, but they're not in the country yet.  We can't wait until the flood of enemy combatants armed with nuclear weapons show up by blowing up our cities.</p>
<p>As to the anthrax estimates, please read the charge.  The basis of these numbers is the amount of growth medium they estimated Iraq has.  It's like saying we know you have 50,000 dogs because you have 100 tons of dog food.  This is an incredibly weak claim.</p>
<p>Point 2 shows an even weaker claim.  Production capacity does not equate to produced units.  Point 3 shows a complete and blatant misrepresentation of the source - i.e. UNSCOM.  Point 4 is a "show me the source".  Not damning in itself but certainly goes to deliberate inflation of estimates to paint a scarier picture.  Point 5 is the famous "Trailers of Hydrogen Production".  Weird how we haven't heard jack about these since the Brits said it was highly likely they were knock offs of old models they had sold them.  Point 6 is the nuclear issue in general, certainly laughable knowing what we now know.  Point 7 is the actual 16 words.  Point 8 is just another example of really, really weak evidence being used to buttress a paper argument.  Given that the centrifuge guy said that they were used for missiles pretty much drives a nail into how weak the argument was.  Again, not a smoking gun, rather going to show a deliberate pattern of deception and threat inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:  I never took the claims to be that Saddam was in a position equivalent to massing on our border with troops.  The argument was always that he had a massive program going in the 1990s, that we did&#039;t know exactly what he has/where he is because he&#039;s been evading and lying, and that he  had demonstrated hostile intent.

The presence of dog food is somewhat corrolative o the presence of dogs, generally.  But dog food can&#039;t be transformed into dogs.  Chemicals can be transformed into chemical weapons.  And, again, the whole point is that, given Saddam&#039;s record and the fact that he wasn&#039;t cooperating with inspectors, better safe than sorry.

&quot;Show me the source&quot; isn&#039;t an argument. Indeed, most of his arguments come down to, &quot;Well, I don&#039;t have access to the intel reports but from the open source docs I&#039;ve found, I either find somewhat different numbers or can&#039;t find numbers at all.&quot;  Well, so what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:  I never took the claims to be that Saddam was in a position equivalent to massing on our border with troops.  The argument was always that he had a massive program going in the 1990s, that we did't know exactly what he has/where he is because he's been evading and lying, and that he  had demonstrated hostile intent.</p>
<p>The presence of dog food is somewhat corrolative o the presence of dogs, generally.  But dog food can't be transformed into dogs.  Chemicals can be transformed into chemical weapons.  And, again, the whole point is that, given Saddam's record and the fact that he wasn't cooperating with inspectors, better safe than sorry.</p>
<p>"Show me the source" isn't an argument. Indeed, most of his arguments come down to, "Well, I don't have access to the intel reports but from the open source docs I've found, I either find somewhat different numbers or can't find numbers at all."  Well, so what?</p>
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		<title>By: Fredrik Nyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredrik Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why is it nobody is mentioning the congressional authorization for war?  

It, too, laid out the case for war, and guess what, nowhere does it mention the words &quot;Niger&quot; or &quot;uranium&quot;.

The Democrats who a) voted for the congressional war authorization, and b) now claim to be &quot;misled&quot; are rather dishonest; surely they didn&#039;t vote yes in October 2002 because of something Bush would say in February 2003.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why is it nobody is mentioning the congressional authorization for war?  </p>
<p>It, too, laid out the case for war, and guess what, nowhere does it mention the words "Niger" or "uranium".</p>
<p>The Democrats who a) voted for the congressional war authorization, and b) now claim to be "misled" are rather dishonest; surely they didn't vote yes in October 2002 because of something Bush would say in February 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The world has waited 12 years for Iraq to disarm. America will not accept a serious and mounting threat to our country, and our friends and our allies... Secretary of State Powell will present information and intelligence about Iraqi&#039;s legal -- Iraq&#039;s illegal weapons programs, its attempt to hide those weapons from inspectors, and its links to terrorist groups.&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;We will consult. But let there be no misunderstanding: &lt;b&gt;If Saddam Hussein does not fully disarm, for the safety of our people and for the peace of the world, we will lead a coalition to disarm him.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Bush didn&#039;t say &quot;Saddam, if you don&#039;t stop brutalizing your people, we&#039;re going to invade.&quot; Or, &quot;Saddam, if you don&#039;t stop paying off anti-Israel terrorists, we&#039;re going to invade.&quot;

The ultimatum was about disarmament. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://bertrandrussell.blogspot.com/2003_07_13_bertrandrussell_archive.html#105854600545658308&quot;&gt;case for war&lt;/a&gt; was ultimately about &quot;the safety of our people and for the peace of the world.&quot; By &quot;our people,&quot; Bush meant the American people, not the Iraqi people.
If Saddam&#039;s arms did not pose a meaningful threat to Americans, then Bush&#039;s own determining factor was meaningless. We don&#039;t tell people to disarm unless we&#039;re worried that their arms will create a problem for us.

&lt;i&gt;Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late.&lt;/i&gt;

In this passage, Bush doesn&#039;t seem to understand the difference between imminent threats and threats that have already been realized in the form of attacks. An imminent threat would be Saddam&#039;s proven possession of a working nuclear weapon with the ability to reach the U.S. (such as North Korea has boasted of having). A threat already realized would be the nuking of an American city. 
The threat we actually saw from Iraq was Saddam&#039;s attempts to have a nuclear weapon. Those attempts were more plausible if he was trying to get weapons-grade uranium, and if he was using aluminum tubes for creating the weapons. Both the uranium and the tubes are dubious evidence for Saddam&#039;s ability to pose an imminent threat to the U.S.

As for the congressional authorization for war, I don&#039;t recall its having been based on the incontrovertible humanitarian case for war either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The world has waited 12 years for Iraq to disarm. America will not accept a serious and mounting threat to our country, and our friends and our allies... Secretary of State Powell will present information and intelligence about Iraqi's legal -- Iraq's illegal weapons programs, its attempt to hide those weapons from inspectors, and its links to terrorist groups.</i><br />
<i>We will consult. But let there be no misunderstanding: <b>If Saddam Hussein does not fully disarm, for the safety of our people and for the peace of the world, we will lead a coalition to disarm him.</b></i></p>
<p>Bush didn't say "Saddam, if you don't stop brutalizing your people, we're going to invade." Or, "Saddam, if you don't stop paying off anti-Israel terrorists, we're going to invade."</p>
<p>The ultimatum was about disarmament. The <a href="http://bertrandrussell.blogspot.com/2003_07_13_bertrandrussell_archive.html#105854600545658308">case for war</a> was ultimately about "the safety of our people and for the peace of the world." By "our people," Bush meant the American people, not the Iraqi people.<br />
If Saddam's arms did not pose a meaningful threat to Americans, then Bush's own determining factor was meaningless. We don't tell people to disarm unless we're worried that their arms will create a problem for us.</p>
<p><i>Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late.</i></p>
<p>In this passage, Bush doesn't seem to understand the difference between imminent threats and threats that have already been realized in the form of attacks. An imminent threat would be Saddam's proven possession of a working nuclear weapon with the ability to reach the U.S. (such as North Korea has boasted of having). A threat already realized would be the nuking of an American city.<br />
The threat we actually saw from Iraq was Saddam's attempts to have a nuclear weapon. Those attempts were more plausible if he was trying to get weapons-grade uranium, and if he was using aluminum tubes for creating the weapons. Both the uranium and the tubes are dubious evidence for Saddam's ability to pose an imminent threat to the U.S.</p>
<p>As for the congressional authorization for war, I don't recall its having been based on the incontrovertible humanitarian case for war either.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/what_bush_said/comment-page-1/#comment-3305</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PG,

&lt;i&gt;In this passage, Bush doesn&#039;t seem to understand the difference between imminent threats and threats that have already been realized in the form of attacks. An imminent threat would be Saddam&#039;s proven possession of a working nuclear weapon with the ability to reach the U.S. (such as North Korea has boasted of having). A threat already realized would be the nuking of an American city.&lt;/i&gt;

Uh....no. Once a threat gets to the level of the enemy possessing nukes, it&#039;s rather too late to strike preemptively.  As we&#039;re now seeing in Korea. By definition, preemption requires acting &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; the threat manifests. The capability combined with the intent to develop and use WMD is an imminent threat.

And, yes, Saddam&#039;s disarming--to comply with the Gulf War I ceasefire and several UN resolutions was the key.  Saddam had to either produce the weapons that previous UN inspection regimes had documented or provide evidence that he had destroyed those arsenals.  He did neither.

The Administration&#039;s case was manifold.  Presumably, different Congressmen signed off on it for manifold reasons as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PG,</p>
<p><i>In this passage, Bush doesn't seem to understand the difference between imminent threats and threats that have already been realized in the form of attacks. An imminent threat would be Saddam's proven possession of a working nuclear weapon with the ability to reach the U.S. (such as North Korea has boasted of having). A threat already realized would be the nuking of an American city.</i></p>
<p>Uh....no. Once a threat gets to the level of the enemy possessing nukes, it's rather too late to strike preemptively.  As we're now seeing in Korea. By definition, preemption requires acting <i>before</i> the threat manifests. The capability combined with the intent to develop and use WMD is an imminent threat.</p>
<p>And, yes, Saddam's disarming--to comply with the Gulf War I ceasefire and several UN resolutions was the key.  Saddam had to either produce the weapons that previous UN inspection regimes had documented or provide evidence that he had destroyed those arsenals.  He did neither.</p>
<p>The Administration's case was manifold.  Presumably, different Congressmen signed off on it for manifold reasons as well.</p>
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		<title>By: tc</title>
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		<dc:creator>tc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this whole WMD thing is a red herring. The real reason why Bush invaded Iraq was to force Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran to turn against al-Qaeda and other Islamic terror groups. Bush doesn&#039;t really want to say this in public, of course, because it would mean that the US invaded a sovereign country not for anything it did or might do, but just to send a message to its neighbors, with the WMD as a side issue with propaganda benefits.  Bizarrely enough, however, it looks like Saddam&#039;s weapons programs really were destroyed, so unless Bush can present a different reason for invading, the apparent absence of WMD will continue to eat away at his credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this whole WMD thing is a red herring. The real reason why Bush invaded Iraq was to force Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran to turn against al-Qaeda and other Islamic terror groups. Bush doesn't really want to say this in public, of course, because it would mean that the US invaded a sovereign country not for anything it did or might do, but just to send a message to its neighbors, with the WMD as a side issue with propaganda benefits.  Bizarrely enough, however, it looks like Saddam's weapons programs really were destroyed, so unless Bush can present a different reason for invading, the apparent absence of WMD will continue to eat away at his credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Yongilman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yongilman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm... PG, you can&#039;t go to war over civil attrocities. Atleast not legally, I don&#039;t know an easy way to express this. Yeash, their are so many reasons why we can&#039;t wage a war over mistreatment of a countires civilians.

First off, their not ours. We have no legal jurisdiction over them. IE we have no legal power to impose/do anything to them. Their health is in the hands of their country. We can a pressure them, but thats about it.

Secondly, to go to war over civil attrocities would put us in a moral high-chair. I don&#039;t know a PC way to put this. I suppose something like &quot;what gives you the right?&quot; kind of thing. A lot of extra hassle.

Thirdly, because of polical ramifications. Since we are already on a war against terrorism, and have already bounced on Afganistan(sp), it makes it much easier to keep going on that note. Especially since Iraq is known to harbor/help many terrorist groups. Iraq is a doorway into the middle east, by fixing Iraq we can pressure/change the whole of the middle east. Besides, what&#039;s a better way to improve the Iraqi&#039;s life then to oust the bastard and give them a real shot of being free. (if you go to war over civil rights, then you have to do a lot more micro-management. We don&#039;t want to do that. Also, it makes it harder to keep putting the pressure on in the future. Working with other countires would be more restricted to the fields of wellfare, instead of terrorism. That would really put us in a jam.)

The reasons go on and on. I&#039;m just to lazy:)

And even if it was possible, in order to go to war over it would take to long. We would have to send in investigators, and spend years monitoring him to see if he raised his standard of living. So its a totally impracticle way to start a war. (Even though its a good motivation.) 

As for the rest of your complaining... consider this. Why do you care? Do you really feel vexed by our president saying stuff? How vexed were you over Monica and Clinton?

I think your just upset because your to ingraned in your POV/political standings and refuse to consider a different one.

One final note. If a man goes walking down the street with an AK, even if its unloaded, he&#039;s going to be arrested. Saddam had the means to create WMD, weather he had them at the point in time is unimportant. Weather he had the nuke&#039;s doesn&#039;t matter... the point is he had the potential to have them. Thats what makes him dangerous. You don&#039;t wait for your enemy to load his gun before you shoot him. The point of a pre-emtive strike(sp) is to stop him before he buys the bullets. Not stop him AFTER he loads and aims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm... PG, you can't go to war over civil attrocities. Atleast not legally, I don't know an easy way to express this. Yeash, their are so many reasons why we can't wage a war over mistreatment of a countires civilians.</p>
<p>First off, their not ours. We have no legal jurisdiction over them. IE we have no legal power to impose/do anything to them. Their health is in the hands of their country. We can a pressure them, but thats about it.</p>
<p>Secondly, to go to war over civil attrocities would put us in a moral high-chair. I don't know a PC way to put this. I suppose something like "what gives you the right?" kind of thing. A lot of extra hassle.</p>
<p>Thirdly, because of polical ramifications. Since we are already on a war against terrorism, and have already bounced on Afganistan(sp), it makes it much easier to keep going on that note. Especially since Iraq is known to harbor/help many terrorist groups. Iraq is a doorway into the middle east, by fixing Iraq we can pressure/change the whole of the middle east. Besides, what's a better way to improve the Iraqi's life then to oust the bastard and give them a real shot of being free. (if you go to war over civil rights, then you have to do a lot more micro-management. We don't want to do that. Also, it makes it harder to keep putting the pressure on in the future. Working with other countires would be more restricted to the fields of wellfare, instead of terrorism. That would really put us in a jam.)</p>
<p>The reasons go on and on. I'm just to lazy:)</p>
<p>And even if it was possible, in order to go to war over it would take to long. We would have to send in investigators, and spend years monitoring him to see if he raised his standard of living. So its a totally impracticle way to start a war. (Even though its a good motivation.) </p>
<p>As for the rest of your complaining... consider this. Why do you care? Do you really feel vexed by our president saying stuff? How vexed were you over Monica and Clinton?</p>
<p>I think your just upset because your to ingraned in your POV/political standings and refuse to consider a different one.</p>
<p>One final note. If a man goes walking down the street with an AK, even if its unloaded, he's going to be arrested. Saddam had the means to create WMD, weather he had them at the point in time is unimportant. Weather he had the nuke's doesn't matter... the point is he had the potential to have them. Thats what makes him dangerous. You don't wait for your enemy to load his gun before you shoot him. The point of a pre-emtive strike(sp) is to stop him before he buys the bullets. Not stop him AFTER he loads and aims.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the whole WMD argument portion of the rationale for war in Iraq was emphasized only because of our decision to include the the United Nations in the whole justification process.  Because compliance with disarmament under UN Sanctions was the legal mechanism for convincing Allies to join us, it was the argument proferred in the international community by the Administration.

Having said that, it was never the main point that convinced me that Gulf War II was a desirable course of action.  Last September, I emailed the White House expressing my disapproval of the war, and then followed up in December with an email changing my position.

What changed between September and December, 2002? 

The actual threat posed by Saddam Hussein did not change in that time.  In fact, it might have actually decreased.  What changed was my evaluation of the seriousness of that threat in light of 9/11.

Prior to 9/11, I would never have supported such a war; so blaming Clinton for not aggressively prosecuting such a war is a non-starter for me.  But after 9/11, it became increasingly obvious that the whole Middle East region was not only a festering sore, but a breeding ground of irrationality that must be taught a lesson in reality.

This may sound cold, but as long as terrorist were killing themselves, Israeli&#039;s and Europeans, I considered them at best, a circus-like freakshow, and at worst, a nuisance.  It became obvious to me that after dealing with the initial source of 9/11 - Afghanistan, the administration was right in determining that much more was needed to pull the &quot;weed&quot; of terrorism out by the roots. We needed to inject ourselves into the mix, and overthrow the despots who were oppressing their own people and getting their religious leader lackeys to blame the USA.  

The only place where we had a &quot;legal&quot; justification for invasion was Iraq.  So we used that case to start the ball rolling.  But the point was/is to get started on rooting out oppression and disinformation in the Arab/Islamic world.  

In those three months in 2002, I became comfortable with using the legal technicality of Iraq&#039;s non-compliance with the 1991 cease fire as justification to impose freedom.  

BTW, we are not imposing freedom on the citizens of the Arab world.  We are imposing freedom on the Arab dictators.  And free Arabs will never fully agree with the USA on policy issues.  I can live with that, just like I can live with France &amp; Germany.  But freedom once obtained is precious, and newly freed people are hard pressed to become oppressed again.  And the freedom to make our case in greater Arabia is all we can justifiably require.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the whole WMD argument portion of the rationale for war in Iraq was emphasized only because of our decision to include the the United Nations in the whole justification process.  Because compliance with disarmament under UN Sanctions was the legal mechanism for convincing Allies to join us, it was the argument proferred in the international community by the Administration.</p>
<p>Having said that, it was never the main point that convinced me that Gulf War II was a desirable course of action.  Last September, I emailed the White House expressing my disapproval of the war, and then followed up in December with an email changing my position.</p>
<p>What changed between September and December, 2002? </p>
<p>The actual threat posed by Saddam Hussein did not change in that time.  In fact, it might have actually decreased.  What changed was my evaluation of the seriousness of that threat in light of 9/11.</p>
<p>Prior to 9/11, I would never have supported such a war; so blaming Clinton for not aggressively prosecuting such a war is a non-starter for me.  But after 9/11, it became increasingly obvious that the whole Middle East region was not only a festering sore, but a breeding ground of irrationality that must be taught a lesson in reality.</p>
<p>This may sound cold, but as long as terrorist were killing themselves, Israeli's and Europeans, I considered them at best, a circus-like freakshow, and at worst, a nuisance.  It became obvious to me that after dealing with the initial source of 9/11 - Afghanistan, the administration was right in determining that much more was needed to pull the "weed" of terrorism out by the roots. We needed to inject ourselves into the mix, and overthrow the despots who were oppressing their own people and getting their religious leader lackeys to blame the USA.  </p>
<p>The only place where we had a "legal" justification for invasion was Iraq.  So we used that case to start the ball rolling.  But the point was/is to get started on rooting out oppression and disinformation in the Arab/Islamic world.  </p>
<p>In those three months in 2002, I became comfortable with using the legal technicality of Iraq's non-compliance with the 1991 cease fire as justification to impose freedom.  </p>
<p>BTW, we are not imposing freedom on the citizens of the Arab world.  We are imposing freedom on the Arab dictators.  And free Arabs will never fully agree with the USA on policy issues.  I can live with that, just like I can live with France &#038; Germany.  But freedom once obtained is precious, and newly freed people are hard pressed to become oppressed again.  And the freedom to make our case in greater Arabia is all we can justifiably require.</p>
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		<title>By: Signifying Nothing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Signifying Nothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Death of a thousand cuts&lt;/strong&gt;
James Joyner helpfully points out that the U.S. case for war in Iraq, as made in the State of the Union address&#8212;including the famous &#8220;sixteen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Death of a thousand cuts</strong><br />
James Joyner helpfully points out that the U.S. case for war in Iraq, as made in the State of the Union address&#8212;including the famous &#8220;sixteen...</p>
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		<title>By: PoliBlog</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Iraq, Nukes and Arguments for War&lt;/strong&gt;
James of OTB has an excellent post on the nuke issue in the context of the arguments for war. It is essentially what I have been thinking on the issue, but have been too busy driving from state to state,...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Iraq, Nukes and Arguments for War</strong><br />
James of OTB has an excellent post on the nuke issue in the context of the arguments for war. It is essentially what I have been thinking on the issue, but have been too busy driving from state to state,...</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Reading the Speech&lt;/strong&gt;
I may not be as sharp as usual today (lack of sleep can do that), but James&#039; examination of the</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Reading the Speech</strong><br />
I may not be as sharp as usual today (lack of sleep can do that), but James' examination of the</p>
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		<dc:creator>The World Around You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Way to Go Kieran&lt;/strong&gt;
Kieran at Crooked Timber frames a counter-argument to Daniel Drezner very well on the uranium from Niger debate.Dan can be relied on to have made as well-argued and well-supported case for war as possible, but at this point I really...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Way to Go Kieran</strong><br />
Kieran at Crooked Timber frames a counter-argument to Daniel Drezner very well on the uranium from Niger debate.Dan can be relied on to have made as well-argued and well-supported case for war as possible, but at this point I really...</p>
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		<title>By: Modulator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modulator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Late Night Reading&lt;/strong&gt;
Craig Cheslog has a lot to say today about texans, the budget and North Korea. James Joyner reprises the full text of the 2003 State of the Union speach as part of the ongoing did he or didn&#039;t he discussion. Doc Searls shares his experience with the ne...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Late Night Reading</strong><br />
Craig Cheslog has a lot to say today about texans, the budget and North Korea. James Joyner reprises the full text of the 2003 State of the Union speach as part of the ongoing did he or didn't he discussion. Doc Searls shares his experience with the ne...</p>
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