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		<title>By: DL</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/what_does_it_mean_to_be_rich/comment-page-1/#comment-299837</link>
		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Spend less than you earn&quot; works fine until it meets the other saying- &quot;soak the rich.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Spend less than you earn" works fine until it meets the other saying- "soak the rich."</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, the words &quot;look at&quot; are missing from the sentence mentioning balance sheet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, the words "look at" are missing from the sentence mentioning balance sheet.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/what_does_it_mean_to_be_rich/comment-page-1/#comment-299697</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My income was fluctuated significantly during my adult life, but I don&#039;t think my persepctive of how &quot;rich&quot; I am has changed all that much.  Being &quot;rich,&quot; or perhaps more succinctly, being &quot;wealthy&quot; is as noted above about assets, not income.  If you run a business and the relative importance of the balance sheet, this becomes ever more clear.

As for a hypothetical to help explain this, if Bill Gates put all his assets into non-interest bearing or non-dividend generating investments would he no longer be rich because he has no income?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My income was fluctuated significantly during my adult life, but I don't think my persepctive of how "rich" I am has changed all that much.  Being "rich," or perhaps more succinctly, being "wealthy" is as noted above about assets, not income.  If you run a business and the relative importance of the balance sheet, this becomes ever more clear.</p>
<p>As for a hypothetical to help explain this, if Bill Gates put all his assets into non-interest bearing or non-dividend generating investments would he no longer be rich because he has no income?</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tlaloc;
      Your comments here, on this topic, are virtually unassailable! Good job of clear thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tlaloc;<br />
      Your comments here, on this topic, are virtually unassailable! Good job of clear thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tlaloc, you probably need to look a little more closely at what incomes people are making.  Some blue collar workers are in the top 15% of households and nearly all doctors of medicine are.  Two government workers at GS-12, not a management level, who are husband and wife are in the top 15% of households.  That&#039;s not remotely rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tlaloc, you probably need to look a little more closely at what incomes people are making.  Some blue collar workers are in the top 15% of households and nearly all doctors of medicine are.  Two government workers at GS-12, not a management level, who are husband and wife are in the top 15% of households.  That's not remotely rich.</p>
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		<title>By: RM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your #2 qualification appears to me to be minimal. If you&#039;re mid-career (40s) and couldn&#039;t liquidate, pay off all your debts and have a bunch left you&#039;ve been spending/borrowing way too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your #2 qualification appears to me to be minimal. If you're mid-career (40s) and couldn't liquidate, pay off all your debts and have a bunch left you've been spending/borrowing way too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t the size of the distribution so much as the miniscule percentage that qualifies as rich.  I can&#039;t imagine any qualification of rich that doesn&#039;t include at *least* the top 5%, probably more like the top 10 maybe even 15%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn't the size of the distribution so much as the miniscule percentage that qualifies as rich.  I can't imagine any qualification of rich that doesn't include at *least* the top 5%, probably more like the top 10 maybe even 15%.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Wouldn’t that automatically require the rich to be less than .1% of the population? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The distribution of income isn&#039;t normal but, yes.  Go check the stats in my post.  Three standard deviations may not be as large an income as you may think.</description>
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Wouldn&rsquo;t that automatically require the rich to be less than .1% of the population?
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<p>The distribution of income isn't normal but, yes.  Go check the stats in my post.  Three standard deviations may not be as large an income as you may think.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s by design. I don’t think that anybody who’s one paycheck away from default (as a remarkable number of people with large dollar salaries are) should be characterized as “the rich”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess we disagree then.  If someone make $10 million a year but spend $9,999,999 a year then I would call them rich.  Foolish but rich. 

Lets put it this way- the rich may be one check away from default but that&#039;s through their own choices and not necessity.  They could easily have had a perfectly adequate car and house and whatever but decided to splurge on something beyond their inflated means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That&rsquo;s by design. I don&rsquo;t think that anybody who&rsquo;s one paycheck away from default (as a remarkable number of people with large dollar salaries are) should be characterized as “the rich”.</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess we disagree then.  If someone make $10 million a year but spend $9,999,999 a year then I would call them rich.  Foolish but rich. </p>
<p>Lets put it this way- the rich may be one check away from default but that's through their own choices and not necessity.  They could easily have had a perfectly adequate car and house and whatever but decided to splurge on something beyond their inflated means.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 and #2 do not define whether one is rich or not, but whether one is frugal or not.

I qualify for both #1 and #2, but am not rich.  I just choose to live within my means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 and #2 do not define whether one is rich or not, but whether one is frugal or not.</p>
<p>I qualify for both #1 and #2, but am not rich.  I just choose to live within my means.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Second, the income of the “the rich” must be no less than three standard deviations above average income.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wouldn&#039;t that automatically require the rich to be less than .1% of the population?  Assuming a standard distribution 99.8% of all results should be withing 3 deviations of the mean (and half of the .2% remainder would be on the low side).  I wouldn&#039;t put the number nearly that low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Second, the income of the “the rich” must be no less than three standard deviations above average income.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Wouldn't that automatically require the rich to be less than .1% of the population?  Assuming a standard distribution 99.8% of all results should be withing 3 deviations of the mean (and half of the .2% remainder would be on the low side).  I wouldn't put the number nearly that low.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
That has potential but it excludes some I think are pretty damn rich.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s by design.  I don&#039;t think that anybody who&#039;s one paycheck away from default (as a remarkable number of people with large dollar salaries are) should be characterized as &#147;the rich&#148;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
That has potential but it excludes some I think are pretty damn rich.
</p></blockquote>
<p>That's by design.  I don't think that anybody who's one paycheck away from default (as a remarkable number of people with large dollar salaries are) should be characterized as &#8220;the rich&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;First, the majority of their income must be derived from the ownership of assets. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That has potential but it excludes some I think are pretty damn rich.

Perhaps what we need is not a single definition but a series of modes of richness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>First, the majority of their income must be derived from the ownership of assets. </p></blockquote>
<p>That has potential but it excludes some I think are pretty damn rich.</p>
<p>Perhaps what we need is not a single definition but a series of modes of richness...</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes, the Micawber principle:
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Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes, the Micawber principle:</p>
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Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &lt;a href=&quot;http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=3518&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted on this subject myself&lt;/a&gt; not too long ago.  I think that &#147;the rich&#148; are characterized by several criteria.  First, the majority of their income must be derived from the ownership of assets.  Second, the income of the &#147;the rich&#148; must be no less than three standard deviations above average income.

In my post cited above I expand a bit on why this definition makes sense.  Defining it solely on the basis of income includes people who really don&#039;t fit comfortably into an intuitive notion of &#147;the rich&#148; e.g. longshoremen.  Defining it solely on the basis of the source of income includes people who don&#039;t fit comfortably into an intuitive notion, either, e.g. the non-indigent elderly.

It&#039;s more complex than this,  of course, due to regional differences and any number of other factors.  But I think it works pretty well as a rule of thumb.

It&#039;s not, however, what Congressmen generally mean when they say &#147;the rich&#148;.  As best as I can tell they mean anybody who makes more than a Congressman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <a href="http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=3518" rel="nofollow">posted on this subject myself</a> not too long ago.  I think that &#8220;the rich&#8221; are characterized by several criteria.  First, the majority of their income must be derived from the ownership of assets.  Second, the income of the &#8220;the rich&#8221; must be no less than three standard deviations above average income.</p>
<p>In my post cited above I expand a bit on why this definition makes sense.  Defining it solely on the basis of income includes people who really don't fit comfortably into an intuitive notion of &#8220;the rich&#8221; e.g. longshoremen.  Defining it solely on the basis of the source of income includes people who don't fit comfortably into an intuitive notion, either, e.g. the non-indigent elderly.</p>
<p>It's more complex than this,  of course, due to regional differences and any number of other factors.  But I think it works pretty well as a rule of thumb.</p>
<p>It's not, however, what Congressmen generally mean when they say &#8220;the rich&#8221;.  As best as I can tell they mean anybody who makes more than a Congressman.</p>
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