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	<title>Comments on: What Is Barbara Boxer Talking About?</title>
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		<title>By: TLR</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/what_is_barbara_boxer_talking_about/comment-page-1/#comment-32929</link>
		<dc:creator>TLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In December 1998, after Clinton launched four days of air strikes on Iraq&#039;s suspected WMD targets, Boxer enthusiastically backed President Clinton&#039;s decision to attack Iraq after he argued that Saddam Hussein was prepared to use chemical, biological and nuclear weapons against the world.  

&quot;The president had no choice but to act today,&quot; Boxer said in a statement issued by her office. &quot;Anyone who questions the timing of his decision ignores the fact that we committed a month ago to act if [chief U.N. weapons inspector] Richard Butler reported that Saddam was not cooperating.  These critics are blinded by political considerations.&quot; 

Boxer was also quoted: âIraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.â

WHO is âblinded by political considerationsâ now and WHO has a problem stating âFALSEHOODSâ?

Barbara Boxer â¦ you are NOT the âvictimâ here, the California voters are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In December 1998, after Clinton launched four days of air strikes on Iraq's suspected WMD targets, Boxer enthusiastically backed President Clinton's decision to attack Iraq after he argued that Saddam Hussein was prepared to use chemical, biological and nuclear weapons against the world.  </p>
<p>"The president had no choice but to act today," Boxer said in a statement issued by her office. "Anyone who questions the timing of his decision ignores the fact that we committed a month ago to act if [chief U.N. weapons inspector] Richard Butler reported that Saddam was not cooperating.  These critics are blinded by political considerations." </p>
<p>Boxer was also quoted: âIraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.â</p>
<p>WHO is âblinded by political considerationsâ now and WHO has a problem stating âFALSEHOODSâ?</p>
<p>Barbara Boxer â¦ you are NOT the âvictimâ here, the California voters are.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI Robert, thank to a commenter on Wizbang and a little common sense, I figured out how the whole thing went down.

Long story short, C-Span did not show it and the NYT apparently transcribed CSPAN.

http://wizbangblog.com/archives/004894.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI Robert, thank to a commenter on Wizbang and a little common sense, I figured out how the whole thing went down.</p>
<p>Long story short, C-Span did not show it and the NYT apparently transcribed CSPAN.</p>
<p><a href="http://wizbangblog.com/archives/004894.php" rel="nofollow">http://wizbangblog.com/archives/004894.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wizbang</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/what_is_barbara_boxer_talking_about/comment-page-1/#comment-32784</link>
		<dc:creator>Wizbang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Blogger&#039;s Manna From Google Heaven&lt;/strong&gt;
Oh this could come in handy: Search engine Google sets sights on video Internet search giant Google&#039;s next target: video. Monday night, Google (GOOG) introduced a test site that searches closed-caption TV show transcripts (www.google.com/video). What ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Blogger's Manna From Google Heaven</strong><br />
Oh this could come in handy: Search engine Google sets sights on video Internet search giant Google's next target: video. Monday night, Google (GOOG) introduced a test site that searches closed-caption TV show transcripts (www.google.com/video). What ...</p>
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		<title>By: Wizbang</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/what_is_barbara_boxer_talking_about/comment-page-1/#comment-32782</link>
		<dc:creator>Wizbang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Blogger&#039;s Manna From Google Heaven&lt;/strong&gt;
Oh this could come in handy: Search engine Google sets sights on video Internet search giant Google&#039;s next target: video. Monday night, Google (GOOG) introduced a test site that searches closed-caption TV show transcripts (www.google.com/video). What ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Blogger's Manna From Google Heaven</strong><br />
Oh this could come in handy: Search engine Google sets sights on video Internet search giant Google's next target: video. Monday night, Google (GOOG) introduced a test site that searches closed-caption TV show transcripts (www.google.com/video). What ...</p>
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		<title>By: Avery Ray Colter</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/what_is_barbara_boxer_talking_about/comment-page-1/#comment-32617</link>
		<dc:creator>Avery Ray Colter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have included the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=209.81.10.18&amp;port=80&amp;file=dummy.m3u&amp;mount=/data/20050118-Tue0900.mp3&quot;&gt;URL&lt;/a&gt;  . It is an audio archive file from KPFA, of the Pacifica Foundation. Pacifica&#039;s reporters broadcast the entire morning portion of the hearings. Because we truly serve the public interest, we  broadcast and archive with no commercials and no censorship of any side. You can browse the special broadcasts in the past at http://www.kpfa.org/archives and see that this is so. We broadcast the senatorial challenge session to certification of the elections, and while our station is left-dominated, they did not censor the comments by various Republican senators as to &quot;sour grapes&quot;, the &quot;Michael Moore Wing&quot;, or the allegation that an ACORN member registered 25 times in Ohio.

With that said, the above URL is a Realaudio file of the part of the hearing which contains the exchange between Voinovich and Rice. I have noted the times in the file to make it more convenient.

Voinovich begins at 22:50 in the file. I will note, though a less important point, that the transcript you show above has Voinovich saying &quot;from training to budgets to mentoring to embassy security&quot;, when it seems to me he actually said &quot;monitoring&quot; in that sentence.

But to the meat of the matter. Voinovich&#039;s opening part did not end where this transcript ends it. At 26:13, He continued on the Balkans, speaking of 4000 refugees, 900 homes burned, the money invested for repair. Rice and Voinovich talked back and forth about this region for another few minutes, and also on the subject of anti-semitism and what money was to be allocated to the OSCE for monitoring of this.

Here is the part you claim never happened:

31:30 Voinovich: &quot;I feel our best offense is intelligence, diplomacy.....&quot;

31:45 &quot;...in England, and at the NATO meeting in Venice... I was just shocked at what I got back from our friends at how badly we&#039;re thought of today in that part of the world. I just wonder what you are going to do to try to change that? I think what we&#039;re doing in the tsunami is wonderful, but we have got to show people that we love &#039;em, that we are for democracy, that we want them to enjoy the same thing, that we don&#039;t have any hidden motives. What do you plan to do in that area to respond to that?&quot;

32:31 - Rice: &quot;Senator, first of all I do agree that the tsunami was a wonderful opportunity to show not just the U.S. government but the heart of the American people, and I think it has paid great dividends for us. Sometimes we&#039;ve had to ask people to do very difficult things and we&#039;ve had policies that some people don&#039;t like..... support for Israel...&quot;

33:05 - &quot;But we somehow have to get the message out that this is also the first president who has called as a matter of policy for a Palestinian state, and somehow we&#039;re not getting that message out.&quot;

She talks of embassies and ambassadors.

33:45 - &quot;And so I think we have to have a new......&quot;

This is where the transcript above picks up, and Boxer is called at 35:20 in the file.

So you can, a full 7.5 minutes out of a 12.5 minute exchange is missing from that transcript.

Now you may continue by saying that Boxer is making too big of a deal with it, but the words were said, and everyone who listened to Pacifica Radio &lt;http ://www.pacifica.org&gt; primary or affiliate stations on Tuesday morning heard them all quite plainly.&lt;/http&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have included the <a href="http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=209.81.10.18&#038;port=80&#038;file=dummy.m3u&#038;mount=/data/20050118-Tue0900.mp3">URL</a>  . It is an audio archive file from KPFA, of the Pacifica Foundation. Pacifica's reporters broadcast the entire morning portion of the hearings. Because we truly serve the public interest, we  broadcast and archive with no commercials and no censorship of any side. You can browse the special broadcasts in the past at <a href="http://www.kpfa.org/archives" rel="nofollow">http://www.kpfa.org/archives</a> and see that this is so. We broadcast the senatorial challenge session to certification of the elections, and while our station is left-dominated, they did not censor the comments by various Republican senators as to "sour grapes", the "Michael Moore Wing", or the allegation that an ACORN member registered 25 times in Ohio.</p>
<p>With that said, the above URL is a Realaudio file of the part of the hearing which contains the exchange between Voinovich and Rice. I have noted the times in the file to make it more convenient.</p>
<p>Voinovich begins at 22:50 in the file. I will note, though a less important point, that the transcript you show above has Voinovich saying "from training to budgets to mentoring to embassy security", when it seems to me he actually said "monitoring" in that sentence.</p>
<p>But to the meat of the matter. Voinovich's opening part did not end where this transcript ends it. At 26:13, He continued on the Balkans, speaking of 4000 refugees, 900 homes burned, the money invested for repair. Rice and Voinovich talked back and forth about this region for another few minutes, and also on the subject of anti-semitism and what money was to be allocated to the OSCE for monitoring of this.</p>
<p>Here is the part you claim never happened:</p>
<p>31:30 Voinovich: "I feel our best offense is intelligence, diplomacy....."</p>
<p>31:45 "...in England, and at the NATO meeting in Venice... I was just shocked at what I got back from our friends at how badly we're thought of today in that part of the world. I just wonder what you are going to do to try to change that? I think what we're doing in the tsunami is wonderful, but we have got to show people that we love 'em, that we are for democracy, that we want them to enjoy the same thing, that we don't have any hidden motives. What do you plan to do in that area to respond to that?"</p>
<p>32:31 - Rice: "Senator, first of all I do agree that the tsunami was a wonderful opportunity to show not just the U.S. government but the heart of the American people, and I think it has paid great dividends for us. Sometimes we've had to ask people to do very difficult things and we've had policies that some people don't like..... support for Israel..."</p>
<p>33:05 - "But we somehow have to get the message out that this is also the first president who has called as a matter of policy for a Palestinian state, and somehow we're not getting that message out."</p>
<p>She talks of embassies and ambassadors.</p>
<p>33:45 - "And so I think we have to have a new......"</p>
<p>This is where the transcript above picks up, and Boxer is called at 35:20 in the file.</p>
<p>So you can, a full 7.5 minutes out of a 12.5 minute exchange is missing from that transcript.</p>
<p>Now you may continue by saying that Boxer is making too big of a deal with it, but the words were said, and everyone who listened to Pacifica Radio <http ://www.pacifica.org> primary or affiliate stations on Tuesday morning heard them all quite plainly.</http></p>
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		<title>By: Much of a Which of a Wind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Much of a Which of a Wind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Boxer and Rice - Sparks Fly&lt;/strong&gt;
Update: Robert Tagorda, over at OutsidetheBeltway, is trying to track down the reference.</description>
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Update: Robert Tagorda, over at OutsidetheBeltway, is trying to track down the reference.</p>
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		<title>By: leelu</title>
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		<dc:creator>leelu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...perhaps our junior senatah is confusing Ms. Rice&#039;s use of the phrase &#039;tremendous opportunity&#039; in the hearing with the quote about tsunami relief.

Flip a coin - Alzheimers or senility.

Or too much time spent drinking with Teddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>...perhaps our junior senatah is confusing Ms. Rice's use of the phrase 'tremendous opportunity' in the hearing with the quote about tsunami relief.</p>
<p>Flip a coin - Alzheimers or senility.</p>
<p>Or too much time spent drinking with Teddy.</p>
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		<title>By: tiby5</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiby5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See the update on this blog:
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/003576.php

VOINOVICH: ... I think what we&#039;re doing in the tsunami right now is wonderful. I think it&#039;s -- but we have got to show people that we love them, that we are for democracy, that we want them to enjoy the same thing but we haven&#039;t any hidden motives. What are you planning on doing in that area to respond to that? 


RICE: Senator, first of all, I do agree that the tsunami was a wonderful opportunity to show not just the U.S. government, but the heart of the American people. And I think it has paid great dividends for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the update on this blog:<br />
<a href="http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/003576.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/003576.php</a></p>
<p>VOINOVICH: ... I think what we're doing in the tsunami right now is wonderful. I think it's -- but we have got to show people that we love them, that we are for democracy, that we want them to enjoy the same thing but we haven't any hidden motives. What are you planning on doing in that area to respond to that? </p>
<p>RICE: Senator, first of all, I do agree that the tsunami was a wonderful opportunity to show not just the U.S. government, but the heart of the American people. And I think it has paid great dividends for us.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red Five, having learned our lesson the hard way with Ken, we ignore &quot;lt bell.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red Five, having learned our lesson the hard way with Ken, we ignore "lt bell."</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Rawls</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/what_is_barbara_boxer_talking_about/comment-page-1/#comment-32346</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Rawls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing wrong with valuing the goodwill that might be generated by our goodwill in delivering tsunami aid, however impolitic it may be to say so. In trying to cast American goodwill in a bad light, Boxer is just being her usual anti-American self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing wrong with valuing the goodwill that might be generated by our goodwill in delivering tsunami aid, however impolitic it may be to say so. In trying to cast American goodwill in a bad light, Boxer is just being her usual anti-American self.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Five</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal, what authoritative sources are you referring to? Many reports I&#039;ve heard or read indicate (with some possible inferrence on my part) that there is a smaller percentage of Iraqi terrorists compared to external agitators, like Zarqawi. If it&#039;s CBS, NBC, ABC, or CNN, then I&#039;m gonna have to call BS on your &quot;authoritative sources&quot;. Otherwise, I&#039;ll grant that the reports I&#039;ve read may have been exaggerating things somewhat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal, what authoritative sources are you referring to? Many reports I've heard or read indicate (with some possible inferrence on my part) that there is a smaller percentage of Iraqi terrorists compared to external agitators, like Zarqawi. If it's CBS, NBC, ABC, or CNN, then I'm gonna have to call BS on your "authoritative sources". Otherwise, I'll grant that the reports I've read may have been exaggerating things somewhat.</p>
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		<title>By: TomB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus, CSPAN does have all 3 1/2 hours of testimony, and I actually sat down earlier to watch, but I only lasted 5 minutes before I started to get nauseous and felt suicidal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus, CSPAN does have all 3 1/2 hours of testimony, and I actually sat down earlier to watch, but I only lasted 5 minutes before I started to get nauseous and felt suicidal.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to address Lt Bell first and then my thoughts on Dr. Rice.

Bell: I really hope that the Lt is your initials and not military rank. If you are in the military, it sure doesn&#039;t show through the way you write or think. If you are not military and those are not your initials, you really shouldn&#039;t be using a military rank abbreviation. Not only are you impersonating an officer, you reflect horribly upon the armed forces.

Now about Dr. Rice. I have yet to see a good transcript that had the tsunami exchange. The most reliable source to see and hear what was actually said would be video tape of the exchange, but as Paul said, it was cut from CSPAN. Any one look at the webcast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm going to address Lt Bell first and then my thoughts on Dr. Rice.</p>
<p>Bell: I really hope that the Lt is your initials and not military rank. If you are in the military, it sure doesn't show through the way you write or think. If you are not military and those are not your initials, you really shouldn't be using a military rank abbreviation. Not only are you impersonating an officer, you reflect horribly upon the armed forces.</p>
<p>Now about Dr. Rice. I have yet to see a good transcript that had the tsunami exchange. The most reliable source to see and hear what was actually said would be video tape of the exchange, but as Paul said, it was cut from CSPAN. Any one look at the webcast?</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  Every authoritative source says that the number of foreigners are very small in number compared to the number of native Iraqis in in the insurgency.  So, Red Five, unless you have some mystical knowledge you should share with us, your statement is completely innacurate.

This is not to say that the insurgency are patriots.  Just that your refutation of this assertion is, itself, pure bullshit according to our millitary&#039;s own estimates of the make up of the insurgency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  Every authoritative source says that the number of foreigners are very small in number compared to the number of native Iraqis in in the insurgency.  So, Red Five, unless you have some mystical knowledge you should share with us, your statement is completely innacurate.</p>
<p>This is not to say that the insurgency are patriots.  Just that your refutation of this assertion is, itself, pure bullshit according to our millitary's own estimates of the make up of the insurgency.</p>
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		<title>By: Gumbi Dammit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gumbi Dammit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it
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crafting haikus?</description>
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Moonbats<br />
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like fourth graders on lythium<br />
crafting haikus?</p>
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