"Tell me what I can do to help." ~ Regular Joe

"I should be in charge because I know, better than you do, what's best for you." ~ Elitist

Then defining elitism is like defining obscenity?

I would say elitism is obscene , but what indefinable value would a statement like that have??[lol]

FormerHostage-

"Tell me what I can do to help." ~ Regular Joe

"I should be in charge because I know, better than you do, what's best for you." ~ Elitist

So a regular joe is someone who looks for orders he can follow, and an elitist is someone who looks for people to give orders to?

It is unfortunate, sad , and Tragic that some media will crater to sensationalism and end up duping, depriving , and deceiving the common people the real issues and challenges facing our Nation. We at a critical time in our current political process to move ahead decades but The Common Americans are not provided the opportunity by some media. A word bitter can divide this nation for ever and create lot of news for cooperate Media[Dollers] No body cares about America and everybody cares about dollars which could become less valued and valueless

COL [retd] A.M. Khajawall MD, most non-elitist Americans believe we would all be a lot better off if Washington stayed out of our pockets.

Every plan Obama is coming up with calls for more money .... and big government "misplaces" our money like the hundreds of millions in Dept of Education dollars that even outside auditors can't track down, overspends our money on things like $700 toilet bowls for Air Force planes, and steals our money like the credit card charges which have yet again hit, for the umpteenth time, the news in the past few days.

p.s. For the record when indicating you are retired military it is customary to also indicate in which US service branch you served.

I'd have to reference the previous post here on OTB: If you take the time to discuss elitism or defend/debate the potentially elitist activities of your friends, you are elitist.

Also, commenting on someone else's defense of same is elitist.

(Tongue planted firmly in cheek.)

You should distinguish between being elite and being an elitist, Alex. Not all of the elite are elitist and not all of the elitists are of the elite.

It's not a matter of preferences as the body of your post might suggest—not what you choose but the attitude with which you choose them.

You should distinguish between being elite and being an elitist . . . not what you choose but the attitude with which you choose them.

I think that's ultimately right. If you prefer to drink microbrews because you think they taste better than Budweiser and can afford to pay the higher cost, as we both do, that perhaps makes you an elite. If you think it therefore makes you better than the poor losers who drink Bud, you're an elitist.

In my sphere the difference between an elitist and a regular Joe is between fly-fishermen and worm fishermen. While fly-fishermen are often considered elitist, I prefer the determinate to be - whether or not they believe what they do is better -not just the act of doing it. In other words -even the worm fisherman could be called accurately and elitist

You own a Wii....so I'm guessing you're an elitist?

It might just be that I'm jealous because I can't even afford to buy gas...

Do you change your own oil? (I do)

Do you or (your wife) clean your house? (yes)

Do you (or your wife) cook most of your own meals? (yes)

Do your children go to public schools? (I, a union carpenter, fail this test... than again, my son got kicked out of school for "distributing a controlled substance" while carrying a knife on school grounds... maybe that makes up for it?)

Do you own a gun? (you don't have to actually use it)(I do)

Do you clean your own fish? (I do)(no fishing guides on the cricks around here)

Or here is another way:

Shakespeare or Elmore Leonard? (Nah... if you read anything, your an elitist.)(OK, I'll admit it... I like them both)

Beethoven or Willie Nelson? (let me take that 2nd choice back.... Clint Black is better)(Again I will admit I like both Beethoven and Willie... Clint Black is another story.)

Yard bird from the grill with honey mustard barbecue sauce (your grandmother's of course) or Cordon Blue? (forget it... if you know what cordon blue is... your an elitist)(again... both)

Sour mash from a mason jar or Jack Daniels Single Barrel?(hmmm... having a hard time coming up with a snide remark on this one... I prefer Single Malt)

Organic only or "whatever is on sale"? (Even I ain't that picky)

Portabella's or Green Giant mushrooms? (Went into my local small town grocery yesterday... the GG mushroom package in front was half full of a brown colored liquid... the Portabella's? They looked good) (yes, I am that picky)

So what am I? Just another guy makin' his way thru it all.

I think that's ultimately right. If you prefer to drink microbrews because you think they taste better than Budweiser and can afford to pay the higher cost, as we both do, that perhaps makes you an elite. If you think it therefore makes you better than the poor losers who drink Bud, you're an elitist.

So calling someone a "loser" based on their consumer preferences makes you an elitist? It's hard to see how this argument avoids generalizing out to "there are no better or worse preferences, just different ones", and "there are no better or worse people, just different ones".
After all, there is no way to differentiate human beings, except based on their preferences, of which consumer preferences are an arbitrary subset.

But, to illustrate the point from another way - a guy with a sticker on the back of his Ford, showing Calvin urinating on a Chevy symbol - that guy's an elitist? How about people who think cigarette smokers - or heroin users - are worse people? Are they elitist?

You're making a much broader argument that you recognize by trying to salvage the concept of elitism. Alex is right to say that it's an arbitrary and subjective amalgam of associating certain consumer products with wealth and good breeding.

If you would refuse to use poor folk's favorite brands, then you're an elitist. Either that, or (my preffered explanation) the whole concept is incoherent, but fundamental and applied by anyone, to anyone.

"I prefer prime rib to filet mignon–which I’m pretty sure makes me not an elitist. Still, how close a call is that? Is the non-elitist choice there “burger”?"

No, the non-elitist buys the whole cow on the hoof and has it processed and therefore get it all!!!!

An elitist is somebody you don't like, you has different consumer preferences than you.

If you look at how the word it used in the media, you'll find my definition surprisingly accurate.

What you need is a test, some way to numerically measure your elite status, behavior, and habits. These are things you can quantify and compare with others. As for your attitude, that's not something that is particularly easy to quantify.

Alex,

No.

A regular Joe is one who does not naturally assume that they know the solution without knowing the situation.

An elitist is one that believes they "know" what is best by virtue of their status, education, or political view and assume that anyone who disagrees with that analysis is just too stoopid to know any better.

You may be an elitist if you are not a redneck.

You may be an elitist if you graduated from an Ivy League college.

You maybe an elitist if your net worth is over 2 million dollars.

You may be an elitist if you want to be an elitist.

You may be an elitist if you are a congressman.

You may be an elitist if you are a celebrity.

You may be an elitist if you think you know more than anyone else, and therefore should run things.

You may be an elitist if you act like an obnoxious prig.

If you have to ask, you are not.

Manning, good list except for this:

You may be an elitist if you want to be an elitist.

I think, if one wants to be an elitist(he/she who knows better than all others), than that is what defines one.

tom

and contrary to rumors... we do read here in the great heartland.

Thanks Tom.

I was going by the old idea that to be something you have to assume that you are that something, and if you practice it long enough, you will be that something. Hence, you may be an elitist if you want to be one. Thing is, everyone has a different list of those things you must practice!
Perhaps you end up merely a snob!