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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/whats_a_liberal_anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-762698</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you seem to have such problems telling the difference, here&#039;s a help for you... and a question you should be able to answer....is telling the American people they should be mroe like the europians, un-American?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you seem to have such problems telling the difference, here's a help for you... and a question you should be able to answer....is telling the American people they should be mroe like the europians, un-American?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kristol&#8217;s Replacement</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/whats_a_liberal_anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-737207</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Kristol&#8217;s Replacement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] intrepid commenter even nominates yours truly. Twice. While I appreciate the consideration, I&#8217;m rather sure I won&#8217;t be on the list of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] intrepid commenter even nominates yours truly. Twice. While I appreciate the consideration, I&#8217;m rather sure I won&#8217;t be on the list of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So  bit what is &quot;anti-american culturally.? Are you &quot;the decider&quot; on  this one? What is your idea of American culture? Eating a crappy diet and driving a gas guzzler? Faux country music? Not knowing how to dress with any sense of style? Being generally arrogant and small minded?

Its a big country bubba, and several hundred million people live here.  This is pretty typical of you - people who don&#039;t agree with me are somehow not real Americans.

And you wonder why you got punk slapped in the last 2 elections...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So  bit what is "anti-american culturally.? Are you "the decider" on  this one? What is your idea of American culture? Eating a crappy diet and driving a gas guzzler? Faux country music? Not knowing how to dress with any sense of style? Being generally arrogant and small minded?</p>
<p>Its a big country bubba, and several hundred million people live here.  This is pretty typical of you - people who don't agree with me are somehow not real Americans.</p>
<p>And you wonder why you got punk slapped in the last 2 elections...</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, and the self proclaimed liberals I&#039;ve come across are not self sufficient. Self sufficiency is something hey don&#039;t comprehend. There needs to be someone there to provide solutions for damn near everything.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I love reading tripe like this on the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh, and the self proclaimed liberals I've come across are not self sufficient. Self sufficiency is something hey don't comprehend. There needs to be someone there to provide solutions for damn near everything.</p></blockquote>
<p>I love reading tripe like this on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Your exact words were....&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yada, yada, yada.  There&#039;s a major difference between being unamerican and being anti-american culturally. They tend to parallel, yet theyr&#039;e not equal. You&#039;re creating straw men and then trying to mow them down, Anjin. Typical for you.

How often have we heard the left tell us we need to be more like the Europians on one thing or another, since their way is &#039;more sustainable&#039; for example?
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;So support of the McCain/Palin ticket in and of itself is indicative of conservatism&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It might be, were McCain actually a conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Your exact words were....</p></blockquote>
<p>Yada, yada, yada.  There's a major difference between being unamerican and being anti-american culturally. They tend to parallel, yet theyr'e not equal. You're creating straw men and then trying to mow them down, Anjin. Typical for you.</p>
<p>How often have we heard the left tell us we need to be more like the Europians on one thing or another, since their way is 'more sustainable' for example?</p>
<blockquote><p>So support of the McCain/Palin ticket in and of itself is indicative of conservatism</p></blockquote>
<p>It might be, were McCain actually a conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: od</title>
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		<dc:creator>od</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem is the idea that everyone is either a liberal or a conservative.  However, since most people&#039;s views are much more complex than that, you have very few pure liberals or pure conservatives.  Of course pure liberals will say that anyone who isn&#039;t pure liberal is conservative, and conservatives will say that everyone who isn&#039;t pure conservative is liberal ... ie a drop of &quot;tainted blood&quot; puts someone on the other side.  

This makes for amusing discussions on whether someone like Sullivan is a conservative or a liberal (hint: he&#039;s neither as he holds positions from both camps), but its not particularly useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem is the idea that everyone is either a liberal or a conservative.  However, since most people's views are much more complex than that, you have very few pure liberals or pure conservatives.  Of course pure liberals will say that anyone who isn't pure liberal is conservative, and conservatives will say that everyone who isn't pure conservative is liberal ... ie a drop of "tainted blood" puts someone on the other side.  </p>
<p>This makes for amusing discussions on whether someone like Sullivan is a conservative or a liberal (hint: he's neither as he holds positions from both camps), but its not particularly useful.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And who is it who injected the phrase &quot;unamerican&quot;?

Hint: It wasn&#039;t me.
Clearly, the reason you inject these little straw men of yours, and then slaying me for them, is your worldview can&#039;t stand on it&#039;s own.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your exact words were &lt;blockquote&gt;because of the American left&#039;s disdain for everything American&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bit, its easy to see why you want to try to play word games rather than stand behind the rather ugly position you have taken. I on the other hand will come right out and say it. Your position is unAmerican.

Its interesting, how, at this point in time, you have nothing to offer but tired, worn out, failed talking points from the far right playbook. You shriek things like &quot;The left has disdain America&quot; 
How very 2004 of you. Or even 1984. Do try and engage in some original thinking, its good for the brain. 

The issue here is not &quot;a little straw man&quot; of my creation, its a little man. You know Bit, the one you see when you look in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And who is it who injected the phrase "unamerican"?</p>
<p>Hint: It wasn't me.<br />
Clearly, the reason you inject these little straw men of yours, and then slaying me for them, is your worldview can't stand on it's own.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your exact words were<br />
<blockquote>because of the American left's disdain for everything American</p></blockquote>
<p>Bit, its easy to see why you want to try to play word games rather than stand behind the rather ugly position you have taken. I on the other hand will come right out and say it. Your position is unAmerican.</p>
<p>Its interesting, how, at this point in time, you have nothing to offer but tired, worn out, failed talking points from the far right playbook. You shriek things like "The left has disdain America"<br />
How very 2004 of you. Or even 1984. Do try and engage in some original thinking, its good for the brain. </p>
<p>The issue here is not "a little straw man" of my creation, its a little man. You know Bit, the one you see when you look in the mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkedMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkedMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Sully isn&#039;t quite right in saying that Forbes judges a conservative by category (gay, black, atheist, etc).  But by their own admission they judge by &lt;strong&gt;who&lt;/strong&gt; or &lt;strong&gt;what&lt;/strong&gt; they support, rather than &lt;strong&gt;why&lt;/strong&gt;.  So support of the McCain/Palin ticket in and of itself is indicative of conservatism, without regard to ideology.  Support for abortion? Liberal, even if the reason is a desire to keep government out of people&#039;s lives.  FWIW, I put forth &lt;a href=&quot;http://wolfbrothers.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/liberalconservativehammer/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my definitions of liberal/conservative here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Sully isn't quite right in saying that Forbes judges a conservative by category (gay, black, atheist, etc).  But by their own admission they judge by <strong>who</strong> or <strong>what</strong> they support, rather than <strong>why</strong>.  So support of the McCain/Palin ticket in and of itself is indicative of conservatism, without regard to ideology.  Support for abortion? Liberal, even if the reason is a desire to keep government out of people's lives.  FWIW, I put forth <a href="http://wolfbrothers.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/liberalconservativehammer/" rel="nofollow">my definitions of liberal/conservative here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Blank-Slate-Modern-Denial-Nature/dp/0670031518&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Blank Slate&lt;/a&gt; is a book.  Sorry for not linking earlier.  At 528 pages you&#039;ve kind of got to be into it.

But from your &quot;Adolf Hitler&quot; comment you might actually be Pinker&#039;s target audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Blank-Slate-Modern-Denial-Nature/dp/0670031518" rel="nofollow">The Blank Slate</a> is a book.  Sorry for not linking earlier.  At 528 pages you've kind of got to be into it.</p>
<p>But from your "Adolf Hitler" comment you might actually be Pinker's target audience.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A,Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A,Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;LOL. And it&#039;s been an award a long time coming for ol&#039; &quot;Head Buried in the Sand&quot; G.A. He&#039;s like the Susan Lucci of OTB. No one can &quot;abort&quot; logic like G.A.--oh, I mean &quot;murder his logic&quot; like B.A.&lt;/blockquote&gt; dang bro now thats cold, I would call you a lot a things but thats cold, lol.

&lt;blockquote&gt;G.A., if you want progress on that issue, I highly recommend that you stay out of the debate completely. You are completely incapable of putting forth a convincing argument.&lt;/blockquote&gt; lol OK I forgot how smart you guys were, lol, How this -peace of shit evolutions have murdered more babies the all people killed in all of the wars in human history, that why you and your religion sucks on the last strawman thats going to break us all.

&lt;blockquote&gt;LOL. I think you&#039;re on the wrong blog. Hugh Hewitt is over thataways. We&#039;re trying to have an intelligent discussion here&lt;/blockquote&gt; sure you are, don&#039;t give up, it might happen some day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>LOL. And it's been an award a long time coming for ol' "Head Buried in the Sand" G.A. He's like the Susan Lucci of OTB. No one can "abort" logic like G.A.--oh, I mean "murder his logic" like B.A.</p></blockquote>
<p> dang bro now thats cold, I would call you a lot a things but thats cold, lol.</p>
<blockquote><p>G.A., if you want progress on that issue, I highly recommend that you stay out of the debate completely. You are completely incapable of putting forth a convincing argument.</p></blockquote>
<p> lol OK I forgot how smart you guys were, lol, How this -peace of shit evolutions have murdered more babies the all people killed in all of the wars in human history, that why you and your religion sucks on the last strawman thats going to break us all.</p>
<blockquote><p>LOL. I think you're on the wrong blog. Hugh Hewitt is over thataways. We're trying to have an intelligent discussion here</p></blockquote>
<p> sure you are, don't give up, it might happen some day.</p>
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		<title>By: HiItsNino</title>
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		<dc:creator>HiItsNino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the newsweek article, but can’t find the blank slate one your referring to.  I’m not buying the “generic component” – too Adolf Hitler for me.  I do think ideology is formed slowly over years and years, and each experience a person has slowly changes the way a person perceives events.  From a biological viewpoint – of coarse this would have an effect in a human body.  I was very much a conservative in my early 20’s, and I’d say various experiences I had while restoring a house in a high crime neighborhood helped change my point of view, along with a period where I did a lot of Thomas Payne and Thomas Jefferson reading.  I’d love to know what my brain scan looked like back then vs now…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the newsweek article, but can&rsquo;t find the blank slate one your referring to.  I&rsquo;m not buying the “generic component” – too Adolf Hitler for me.  I do think ideology is formed slowly over years and years, and each experience a person has slowly changes the way a person perceives events.  From a biological viewpoint – of coarse this would have an effect in a human body.  I was very much a conservative in my early 20&rsquo;s, and I&rsquo;d say various experiences I had while restoring a house in a high crime neighborhood helped change my point of view, along with a period where I did a lot of Thomas Payne and Thomas Jefferson reading.  I&rsquo;d love to know what my brain scan looked like back then vs now…</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(it&#039;s creative spelling day!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(it's creative spelling day!)</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, if you see this, I think there is a phenominum that should attract your attention:  Why are libertarians so darn happy with Obama?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/01/23/thank-you-barack-obama/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thank You, Barack Obama&lt;/a&gt;

(HiItsNino, I won&#039;t make a defense of Pinker&#039;s idea, but I thought he had a good argument.  Read it at length in The Blank Slate if you get the chance.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, if you see this, I think there is a phenominum that should attract your attention:  Why are libertarians so darn happy with Obama?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/01/23/thank-you-barack-obama/" rel="nofollow">Thank You, Barack Obama</a></p>
<p>(HiItsNino, I won't make a defense of Pinker's idea, but I thought he had a good argument.  Read it at length in The Blank Slate if you get the chance.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SteveS: Your point as to his CURRENT content is well taken. Yet, his history is longer than his front page.

The charge of being focused on homosexuality is one I&#039;ve made several dozen times since 2003, and likely before that....(03 is as far back as my quick search goes) and each time I&#039;ve backed it with quotes. Links at need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SteveS: Your point as to his CURRENT content is well taken. Yet, his history is longer than his front page.</p>
<p>The charge of being focused on homosexuality is one I've made several dozen times since 2003, and likely before that....(03 is as far back as my quick search goes) and each time I've backed it with quotes. Links at need.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t notice Andrew protesting Obama&#039;s reversal of the order preventing the world from using our aid to murder their young -including Chinese forced abortions - nor did I read of his strong support for the 400,000 person March for Life that he and his media friends failed to mention. Unlike Obama&#039;s circuses, no rock group was used to entice the masses into attendence.

With this abortion: first, last, always, and anyway you desire, president, we have truly become an &quot;Obamanation&quot; 

To ignore this wanton destruction is to never be rightfully &quot;conservative&quot;

I won&#039;t get into the destruction of this nation&#039;s very fabric - the family - so guaranteed by the &quot;Gay Marriage&quot; runnaway train....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn't notice Andrew protesting Obama's reversal of the order preventing the world from using our aid to murder their young -including Chinese forced abortions - nor did I read of his strong support for the 400,000 person March for Life that he and his media friends failed to mention. Unlike Obama's circuses, no rock group was used to entice the masses into attendence.</p>
<p>With this abortion: first, last, always, and anyway you desire, president, we have truly become an "Obamanation" </p>
<p>To ignore this wanton destruction is to never be rightfully "conservative"</p>
<p>I won't get into the destruction of this nation's very fabric - the family - so guaranteed by the "Gay Marriage" runnaway train....</p>
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