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	<title>Comments on: Why Voting Doesn&#8217;t Always Give the Best Result</title>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/why_voting_doesnt_always_give_the_best_result/comment-page-1/#comment-1062032</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno why, but this discussion reminded me of a column by Guy Kawasaki, the Mac Evangelist, some years back on why the Mac, which, all things considered, is and was a better machine than the PC, lost out to the PC in the corporate environment: The PC was &quot;good enough&quot; for the tasks required. He didn&#039;t seem to think that price was the fundamental issue, just serviceability to task. You only needed to be good enough, not better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno why, but this discussion reminded me of a column by Guy Kawasaki, the Mac Evangelist, some years back on why the Mac, which, all things considered, is and was a better machine than the PC, lost out to the PC in the corporate environment: The PC was "good enough" for the tasks required. He didn't seem to think that price was the fundamental issue, just serviceability to task. You only needed to be good enough, not better.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Already seen it.  Its kind of pathetic that a police officer has to taser an elderly woman.  Frankly, I&#039;d be ashamed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Already seen it.  Its kind of pathetic that a police officer has to taser an elderly woman.  Frankly, I'd be ashamed.</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/why_voting_doesnt_always_give_the_best_result/comment-page-1/#comment-1061634</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally off topic, but &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/11/police-sergeant-defends-t_n_214485.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s&lt;/A&gt; possible Verdon post bait...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally off topic, but <a HREF="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/11/police-sergeant-defends-t_n_214485.html" rel="nofollow">here's</a> possible Verdon post bait...</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/why_voting_doesnt_always_give_the_best_result/comment-page-1/#comment-1061325</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furhead,

I don&#039;t know, it would be a good guess, but a quick google search didn&#039;t provide any indications of who coined the term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furhead,</p>
<p>I don't know, it would be a good guess, but a quick google search didn't provide any indications of who coined the term.</p>
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		<title>By: Furhead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/why_voting_doesnt_always_give_the_best_result/comment-page-1/#comment-1061253</link>
		<dc:creator>Furhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Arrow come up with the term &quot;benevolent dictator&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Arrow come up with the term "benevolent dictator"?</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, &lt;a href=&quot;http://netwar.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/arrows-impossibility-theorem/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this pag&lt;/a&gt;e gives a rather unsatisfactory integration of Arrow&#039;s Impossibility Theorem with the problems of two party democracy.

I suspect that the real application is in the cycles of feedback which produce the two party bundles of positions and ideas.  We&#039;ve the iterative elimination of items (a moderate VP for McCain perhaps) before the final choice is presented to the full electorate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, <a href="http://netwar.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/arrows-impossibility-theorem/" rel="nofollow">this pag</a>e gives a rather unsatisfactory integration of Arrow's Impossibility Theorem with the problems of two party democracy.</p>
<p>I suspect that the real application is in the cycles of feedback which produce the two party bundles of positions and ideas.  We've the iterative elimination of items (a moderate VP for McCain perhaps) before the final choice is presented to the full electorate.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you think there is a &quot;best&quot; result for Olympic cities?

(The top few are probably good enough, and you could play rock-paper-scissors for all I care.  Though of course I prefer that other countries subsidize the Olympics and not me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you think there is a "best" result for Olympic cities?</p>
<p>(The top few are probably good enough, and you could play rock-paper-scissors for all I care.  Though of course I prefer that other countries subsidize the Olympics and not me.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course voting never seems completely impartial.  Unless a vote is unanimous, there are always going to be disappointed people left in the aftermath who will think something wasn&#039;t fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course voting never seems completely impartial.  Unless a vote is unanimous, there are always going to be disappointed people left in the aftermath who will think something wasn't fair.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems very similar to the voting patterns used by Lincoln to secure the Republican nomination in 1860.  Seward was the top voter getter in the first two ballots, but Lincoln slowly consolidated the votes of candidates that realized they didn&#039;t have a cahnce and the votes of the anybody-but-Seward crowd.

Political parties ideally aren&#039;t contests for the best candidate, however.  They seek the candidate that can best hold the coalition together even if that means everybody&#039;s second favorite choice wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems very similar to the voting patterns used by Lincoln to secure the Republican nomination in 1860.  Seward was the top voter getter in the first two ballots, but Lincoln slowly consolidated the votes of candidates that realized they didn't have a cahnce and the votes of the anybody-but-Seward crowd.</p>
<p>Political parties ideally aren't contests for the best candidate, however.  They seek the candidate that can best hold the coalition together even if that means everybody's second favorite choice wins.</p>
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