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		<title>By: Hal</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/why_we_fight/comment-page-1/#comment-92668</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, James.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, James.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More important is not who is fighting in the war, but which side they are on.

I take immediate offense to any comment about keyboard commandos, because the idiot making such a statement has no idea of the background of any other poster.  Equally moronic is the tired liberal challenge to &#039;go over there and fight youself&#039;.  I won&#039;t even get into it.

Yes, war is terrible.  Perhaps more liberals need to look into, and smell the stench, of mass graves to realize the responsibility of being a world power.  

Peace is great when you can sit all comfy and cozy in the U.S., and ignore the real tragedies in the world.  It might give a different perspective on pumping out anti-U.S. propaganda.  So to use your suggestion, why don&#039;t YOU go over there if you care so much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More important is not who is fighting in the war, but which side they are on.</p>
<p>I take immediate offense to any comment about keyboard commandos, because the idiot making such a statement has no idea of the background of any other poster.  Equally moronic is the tired liberal challenge to 'go over there and fight youself'.  I won't even get into it.</p>
<p>Yes, war is terrible.  Perhaps more liberals need to look into, and smell the stench, of mass graves to realize the responsibility of being a world power.  </p>
<p>Peace is great when you can sit all comfy and cozy in the U.S., and ignore the real tragedies in the world.  It might give a different perspective on pumping out anti-U.S. propaganda.  So to use your suggestion, why don't YOU go over there if you care so much?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jpe:

Ever heard of Theo Van Gogh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jpe:</p>
<p>Ever heard of Theo Van Gogh?</p>
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		<title>By: jpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know.  Per Hugh Hewitt, I&#039;m on the front lines, and in serious danger sitting in my office in NYC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know.  Per Hugh Hewitt, I'm on the front lines, and in serious danger sitting in my office in NYC.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Riehl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Riehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steyn doesn&#039;t equate punditry to physically fighting the war at all. Why you would do him such an incredible disservice as to buy into Greenwald&#039;s parsing of the language that way is beyond me. I suppose, given the link, that you also buy into his smearing of so many other fine writers and individuals he pegs as &quot;neo-conservative,&quot; when several are far from conservative - and most also just happen to be Jewish.

As usual, he even makes it personal with his comments on Goldberg and starts off by calling Levin a war monger simply because he sees Islamofascism as a clear and present danger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steyn doesn't equate punditry to physically fighting the war at all. Why you would do him such an incredible disservice as to buy into Greenwald's parsing of the language that way is beyond me. I suppose, given the link, that you also buy into his smearing of so many other fine writers and individuals he pegs as "neo-conservative," when several are far from conservative - and most also just happen to be Jewish.</p>
<p>As usual, he even makes it personal with his comments on Goldberg and starts off by calling Levin a war monger simply because he sees Islamofascism as a clear and present danger.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhh... perhaps you&#039;ve not noticed that this business does not involve merely one country.

And by the way; The terrorists WERE trained in Iraq, and the Iraqi gopvenment DID have an &lt;a href=&quot;http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014835.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;active weapons program.&lt;/a&gt;

Just FYI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhh... perhaps you've not noticed that this business does not involve merely one country.</p>
<p>And by the way; The terrorists WERE trained in Iraq, and the Iraqi gopvenment DID have an <a href="http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014835.php" rel="nofollow">active weapons program.</a></p>
<p>Just FYI.</p>
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		<title>By: Pug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh..Bithead.  Perhaps you haven&#039;t yet heard, but Iraq did not declare war on us.  We declared war on them.  That&#039;s why it is called &quot;pre-emptive war&quot;.  We were attacked by terrorists trained, located and plotting against us in Afghanistan, not Iraq.  Just FYI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh..Bithead.  Perhaps you haven't yet heard, but Iraq did not declare war on us.  We declared war on them.  That's why it is called "pre-emptive war".  We were attacked by terrorists trained, located and plotting against us in Afghanistan, not Iraq.  Just FYI.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If people had a better sense of how horrible war is....&lt;/blockquote&gt;

....Perhaps they&#039;d not have declared war on us, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If people had a better sense of how horrible war is....</p></blockquote>
<p>....Perhaps they'd not have declared war on us, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: lunacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lunacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the verb &quot;fight&quot; does not fit, but certainly Thomas Paine&#039;s writing was indispensible in the Revolution. 

And can you doubt the power of propaganda (whether written or graphic or danced) to sway public opinion in a positive and negatives ways.

So, if not &quot;fight&quot;, then what would you say George Cohen, Thomas Paine and all those Soviet graphic artists were doing with their talents?

Lunacy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the verb "fight" does not fit, but certainly Thomas Paine's writing was indispensible in the Revolution. </p>
<p>And can you doubt the power of propaganda (whether written or graphic or danced) to sway public opinion in a positive and negatives ways.</p>
<p>So, if not "fight", then what would you say George Cohen, Thomas Paine and all those Soviet graphic artists were doing with their talents?</p>
<p>Lunacy</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ&#039;s right on both counts.  &quot;We&quot; were bombed at Pearl Harbor, fought Japan, etc. -- there&#039;s nothing wrong with that expression.

OTOH, the 101st Fighting Keyboarders are just pitiful.  If people had a better sense of how horrible war is, we wouldn&#039;t see so much faux-machismo.  Ain&#039;t nothin&#039; stoppin&#039; &#039;em from heading on down to the Armed Forces Recruiting Station ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ's right on both counts.  "We" were bombed at Pearl Harbor, fought Japan, etc. -- there's nothing wrong with that expression.</p>
<p>OTOH, the 101st Fighting Keyboarders are just pitiful.  If people had a better sense of how horrible war is, we wouldn't see so much faux-machismo.  Ain't nothin' stoppin' 'em from heading on down to the Armed Forces Recruiting Station ...</p>
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		<title>By: vnjagvet</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnjagvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken:

I think you are mistaken because you have ignored the history of Executive Orders, Congressional actions and United Nations Resolutions leading up to the March, 2003 Iraq invasion.

What you call &quot;lies&quot; are not lies at all.  If you can quote me one passage in a Bush speech leading up the Iraq war that he had no rational basis for believing at the time it was made, I will listen to your argument.  Otherwise, I cannot accept the premise of your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken:</p>
<p>I think you are mistaken because you have ignored the history of Executive Orders, Congressional actions and United Nations Resolutions leading up to the March, 2003 Iraq invasion.</p>
<p>What you call "lies" are not lies at all.  If you can quote me one passage in a Bush speech leading up the Iraq war that he had no rational basis for believing at the time it was made, I will listen to your argument.  Otherwise, I cannot accept the premise of your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This war on Iraq was lost the moment Bush launched it. It is a cold hard fact that a war based upon lies is a war not worth fighting. 

Americans are not dumb. We know this war is not worth it. And Bush scrambling about trying to find some reason to convince us that it is worthwhile is beyond pathetic. It is insane.

Blaming Americans, like Bithead does, for not falling for the lies is not very smart either. Nor is it productive. 

The minority of Americans who still want to fight innocent foreigners must have their own personal reasons. Fine. Let them go fight Innocent foreigners. Most of us just don&#039;t want you to use our military or our treasury to do so. Leave us out of it. That is how most of us think.

We have a job to do that Bush has left unfinished. We still need someone willing to go get Osama and the others responsible for attacking America. 

When that is done we will finally have justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This war on Iraq was lost the moment Bush launched it. It is a cold hard fact that a war based upon lies is a war not worth fighting. </p>
<p>Americans are not dumb. We know this war is not worth it. And Bush scrambling about trying to find some reason to convince us that it is worthwhile is beyond pathetic. It is insane.</p>
<p>Blaming Americans, like Bithead does, for not falling for the lies is not very smart either. Nor is it productive. </p>
<p>The minority of Americans who still want to fight innocent foreigners must have their own personal reasons. Fine. Let them go fight Innocent foreigners. Most of us just don't want you to use our military or our treasury to do so. Leave us out of it. That is how most of us think.</p>
<p>We have a job to do that Bush has left unfinished. We still need someone willing to go get Osama and the others responsible for attacking America. </p>
<p>When that is done we will finally have justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t any of you guys remember songs like &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.authentichistory.com/ww2/music/19411223_We_Did_It_Before-Carl_Hoff-Murphy_Sisters.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We Did It Before (And We Can Do It Again)&lt;/a&gt;&quot; and movies like the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ihffilm.com/francapwhyw.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why We Fight&lt;/a&gt;&quot; series by Frank Capra? Lay off Lopez. She was just deploying the turn of phrase coined by the immensely popular Capra series. I knew and appreciated exactly what she meant by the first person plural. Heck, I&#039;m 53 and remember viewing those films on (black and white) TV and in the classroom twenty years after &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_over_Japan_Day&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;VJ Day&lt;/a&gt;. Pity how shallow and foreshortened our common national memory seems to be. And how many fail to realize that if &quot;they&quot; are defeated in &quot;their&quot; war against Islamic fascism, &quot;we&quot; all shall loose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't any of you guys remember songs like "<a href="http://www.authentichistory.com/ww2/music/19411223_We_Did_It_Before-Carl_Hoff-Murphy_Sisters.html" rel="nofollow">We Did It Before (And We Can Do It Again)</a>" and movies like the "<a href="http://www.ihffilm.com/francapwhyw.html" rel="nofollow">Why We Fight</a>" series by Frank Capra? Lay off Lopez. She was just deploying the turn of phrase coined by the immensely popular Capra series. I knew and appreciated exactly what she meant by the first person plural. Heck, I'm 53 and remember viewing those films on (black and white) TV and in the classroom twenty years after <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_over_Japan_Day" rel="nofollow">VJ Day</a>. Pity how shallow and foreshortened our common national memory seems to be. And how many fail to realize that if "they" are defeated in "their" war against Islamic fascism, "we" all shall loose.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Regardless, however, I join Glenn Greenwald in rejecting the notion at least implied by Steyn that those who write about the war are thereby â��fightingâ�� the war. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not so fast.
What would you say of those opposed to the war effort who claim they&#039;re fighting for peace?
 
I submit when so much of the battle campign of radical islam is slated in the public opinion arena, that fighting for hearts and minds here at home, is half the battle anymore. Consider, if allowed to run unchecked, where would the anti-war crowd take us?

That way lies the defeat of Vietnam, and the elslavement of that entire region following our early withdrawal, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Regardless, however, I join Glenn Greenwald in rejecting the notion at least implied by Steyn that those who write about the war are thereby â��fightingâ�� the war. </p></blockquote>
<p>Not so fast.<br />
What would you say of those opposed to the war effort who claim they're fighting for peace?</p>
<p>I submit when so much of the battle campign of radical islam is slated in the public opinion arena, that fighting for hearts and minds here at home, is half the battle anymore. Consider, if allowed to run unchecked, where would the anti-war crowd take us?</p>
<p>That way lies the defeat of Vietnam, and the elslavement of that entire region following our early withdrawal, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pug:  Agreed; that&#039;s the point of the last couple of paragraphs.  Again, I make a distinction between writers speaking of the war in a collective sense, which I think perfectly legitimate, and claiming to be &quot;fighting&quot; BY writing, which I find silly at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pug:  Agreed; that's the point of the last couple of paragraphs.  Again, I make a distinction between writers speaking of the war in a collective sense, which I think perfectly legitimate, and claiming to be "fighting" BY writing, which I find silly at best.</p>
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