Comments on: Wilson: Plame Not Clandestine When Novak Wrote Story

By: ZZ

ZZ — Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:23:51 +0000

You dumbasses haven't figured it out yet that Plame was no longer covert and no longer a NOC. She hasn't served overseas in any extended capacity and she works at Langley. You don't work at Langley if you ever plan on serviing undercover again. Intelligence agencies from other countries are watching Langley to gather information on CIA employees. And you don't tell your friends and neighbors that you work for the CIA. And you certainly don't let people like Andrea Mitchell know that you work for the CIA. Too many people knew she works for the CIA for her ever to be an effective CIA undercover agent.

By: Lt bell

Lt bell — Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:00:55 +0000

you lieing piece of crap!

this is treason
and if you support it -that makes you a traitor-
just like Novack -just like Rove ,and just like Bush who knew all about it

By: DC Loser

DC Loser — Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:31:41 +0000

26?

By: McGehee

McGehee — Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:23:33 +0000

You guys are getting more and more ridiculous by your navel gazing speculations.

In other words, you don't know the answer to my question?

By: DC Loser

DC Loser — Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:25:54 +0000

Larry Johnson probably still has some kind of contact through the Agency alumni network with her and knows the score. Just because he doesn't work for them anymore doesn't mean he doesn't "hear" things from mutual friends.

By: Mark in Mexico

Mark in Mexico — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:25:01 +0000

Washington is a town without pity

Washington is a mean town where human sacrifice has been raised to an art form.

By: Anderson

Anderson — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:59:23 +0000

But this type of question is really silly as itâs a strawman more than anything else. Chill, DC. I happen to believe Plame *was* covert. I'm just questioning Larry Johnson's qualifications to know that. Remember, we're the "reality-based" side?

By: DC Loser

DC Loser — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:42:09 +0000

You guys are getting more and more ridiculous by your navel gazing speculations.

By: McGehee

McGehee — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:32:42 +0000

Another thought: has anyone considered the possibility that the way Wilson was chosen for and sent on this Niger thing, without authorization from the top of the Agency food chain, might have been a crime?

Did the CIA's request that the Plame-Wilson affair be investigated, specify that the outing of Plame was what they're concerned about?

By: McGehee

McGehee — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:29:10 +0000

Letâs look at it this way, why did the CIA get all bent out of shape and referred this case to the DoJ when the story broke?

Well, clearly the CIA believed a crime was committed -- but "we believe a crime was committed" != "a crime was committed."

By: DC Loser

DC Loser — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:55:39 +0000

Larry Johnson was a classmate with Plame when they started training to be Clandestine officers. I believe he went the official cover route while she went the NOC route. But this type of question is really silly as it's a strawman more than anything else. It's the proverbial "when did you stop beating your wife" type of question. Let's look at it this way, why did the CIA get all bent out of shape and referred this case to the DoJ when the story broke? If she wasn't clan then what's the big deal?

By: Anderson

Anderson — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:43:28 +0000

Here's my question on Larry Johnson, as pointed out by a fellow at ObWi:

If he left the CIA in 1989, how's he any sort of authority on whether Plame was covert in 2003?

By: Herb

Herb — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:36:01 +0000

If Rove resigns, he is a fool. Why should he resign over another Democrat Extremists lies.

Just another case of the Left wing democrats lying,

But what else is new.

By: Phil Davis

Phil Davis — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:32:23 +0000

"I still donât understand how someone can âoutâ someone whose identity was never really a secret."

Well, ALS, the issue is not outing her as his wife (that is a matter of public record), but outing her as a CIA operative.

"Facts be damned..."

Indeed. Republican hacks are all over TV claiming that Wilson said the VP sent him to Africa. He says no such thing. But, hey, facts be damned, right?

I don't know whether Rove broke the law or not, and I think the left is probably overplaying their hand here, but neither is the right a shining example of integrity.

Truth no longer matters. Power is all that matters.

By: DC Loser

DC Loser — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:21:36 +0000

As former CIA DO officer Larry Johnson explains, Valerie Plame was a NOC, a non-official cover officer in the DO. She was operating under the cover of working for a legitimate business or front company, but really in the CIA's employ. It's a dangerous job where if you are caught you are likely to be executed. There are NOCs who are working in CIA headquarters, as they rotate in and out of the building between their cover assignments. She might not have been technically a clandestine officer at that moment, but she still had a cover to maintain to protect herself, her cover, and the sources and contacts she developed over the years, some of whom might still be actively working for the CIA. The disclosure of her affiliation with the CIA blows all that out of the water and jeopardizes anyone who ever had contact with her, and draws the attention of hostile intelligence services on them. When you do this, you are playing with people's lives.