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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wiretapping_judge_and_conflict_of_interest/comment-page-1/#comment-95438</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.  I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/return_of_the_political_pit_bull/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted&lt;/a&gt; about it a few days ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.  I <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/return_of_the_political_pit_bull/" rel="nofollow">posted</a> about it a few days ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wiretapping_judge_and_conflict_of_interest/comment-page-1/#comment-95436</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;He began a stint as a guest writer on OTB in June 2006 and soon became Breaking News Editor. He decided to return to his own blog in mid August but will still guest post occasionally.&lt;/em&gt; 

Never mind ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>He began a stint as a guest writer on OTB in June 2006 and soon became Breaking News Editor. He decided to return to his own blog in mid August but will still guest post occasionally.</em> </p>
<p>Never mind ....</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wiretapping_judge_and_conflict_of_interest/comment-page-1/#comment-95435</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Greg Tinti master of his own domain now, or still blogging here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Greg Tinti master of his own domain now, or still blogging here?</p>
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		<title>By: truth machine</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wiretapping_judge_and_conflict_of_interest/comment-page-1/#comment-95422</link>
		<dc:creator>truth machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Gosh I notice when similar issues came up with alito and other federal judges on the right it was perfectly ok to have your own political views?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, like James Joyner just said in his piece that it&#039;s ok  for any judge to: &quot;So long as they have no financial stake or otherwise have a personal interest in the outcome of the case, they’re not required to sit on the sidelines.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;Did you ever stop and thinkabout the rank hypocrisy you people spout?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, which people?  I&#039;m a leftist (following a link from Glenn Greenwald&#039; blog) who finds most right wingers and Republicans to be hypocrites, but James Joyner doesn&#039;t seem to have displayed any here.

&lt;i&gt;hey jpe I read both sides of arguments and try and discern the truth…can you say the same?&lt;/i&gt;

You don&#039;t seem to have tried here ... and what does your comment even have to do with what jpe wrote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Gosh I notice when similar issues came up with alito and other federal judges on the right it was perfectly ok to have your own political views?</i></p>
<p>Uh, like James Joyner just said in his piece that it's ok  for any judge to: "So long as they have no financial stake or otherwise have a personal interest in the outcome of the case, they&rsquo;re not required to sit on the sidelines."</p>
<p><i>Did you ever stop and thinkabout the rank hypocrisy you people spout?</i></p>
<p>Uh, which people?  I'm a leftist (following a link from Glenn Greenwald' blog) who finds most right wingers and Republicans to be hypocrites, but James Joyner doesn't seem to have displayed any here.</p>
<p><i>hey jpe I read both sides of arguments and try and discern the truth…can you say the same?</i></p>
<p>You don't seem to have tried here ... and what does your comment even have to do with what jpe wrote?</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ:

You hit the nail &quot;right on the head&quot; Judges who rule with their biases and not according to the law are the problem.

Those judges who do not make their decisions &quot;According to the Law&quot; are, and should be subject to &quot;Immediate Impeachment&quot;.

The real problem is: We have no government Representatives that have the will or guts to impeach anyone.

Could the reason be because of these judges previous &quot;Political Connections&quot; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ:</p>
<p>You hit the nail "right on the head" Judges who rule with their biases and not according to the law are the problem.</p>
<p>Those judges who do not make their decisions "According to the Law" are, and should be subject to "Immediate Impeachment".</p>
<p>The real problem is: We have no government Representatives that have the will or guts to impeach anyone.</p>
<p>Could the reason be because of these judges previous "Political Connections" ?</p>
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		<title>By: The Political Pit Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wiretapping_judge_and_conflict_of_interest/comment-page-1/#comment-95372</link>
		<dc:creator>The Political Pit Bull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Remember Vanguard?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Back when Justice Samuel Alito was merely a nominee to the Supreme Court, Democrats made issue of two things in particular in Justice Alito&#039;s past hoping to derail the nomination. The first was his membership in an organization called CAP......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Remember Vanguard?...</strong></p>
<p>Back when Justice Samuel Alito was merely a nominee to the Supreme Court, Democrats made issue of two things in particular in Justice Alito's past hoping to derail the nomination. The first was his membership in an organization called CAP......</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex:  Glenn Greenwald and others have argued that it might have been best had she disclosed the conflict. Still, I agree--this is essentially a non-story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex:  Glenn Greenwald and others have argued that it might have been best had she disclosed the conflict. Still, I agree--this is essentially a non-story.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this doesn&#039;t even rise to the level of an APPEARANCE of a conflict of interest.  Saying that it does is akin to saying that if somebody sues McDonald&#039;s, the judge has a &quot;conflict of interest&quot; if he eats there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this doesn't even rise to the level of an APPEARANCE of a conflict of interest.  Saying that it does is akin to saying that if somebody sues McDonald's, the judge has a "conflict of interest" if he eats there...</p>
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		<title>By: The Gun Toting Liberal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Conflict of interest in wiretapping case?</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/wiretapping_judge_and_conflict_of_interest/comment-page-1/#comment-95364</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gun Toting Liberal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Conflict of interest in wiretapping case?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ***** Other bloggers are sounding off on the topic: MyVastRightWingConspiracy,Outside The Beltway, The Moderate Voice  Technorati Tags: &#160;Bush, CIA, civil liberties, current events, data mining, eavesdropping, FBI, GOP, headlines, Judicial Activism, news, news and politics, NSA, politics, President Bush, Rants, Republicans, terrorism, wiretapping [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ***** Other bloggers are sounding off on the topic: MyVastRightWingConspiracy,Outside The Beltway, The Moderate Voice  Technorati Tags:  Bush, CIA, civil liberties, current events, data mining, eavesdropping, FBI, GOP, headlines, Judicial Activism, news, news and politics, NSA, politics, President Bush, Rants, Republicans, terrorism, wiretapping [...]</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue is less if she had this indirect conflict of interest, but rather did she disclose it. As you point out, it would be hard for a Judge to have any interactions outside of the courtroom without eventually finding some similar conflict of interest.

From a practical standpoint, such a disclosure would have little impact. It is a rare attorney who would dare to impugn a judge before whom they may have to appear. The number of judges removed for conflicts of interest are minimal.

What is more significant to me is her having the conflict and then putting out such a poorly reasoned opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue is less if she had this indirect conflict of interest, but rather did she disclose it. As you point out, it would be hard for a Judge to have any interactions outside of the courtroom without eventually finding some similar conflict of interest.</p>
<p>From a practical standpoint, such a disclosure would have little impact. It is a rare attorney who would dare to impugn a judge before whom they may have to appear. The number of judges removed for conflicts of interest are minimal.</p>
<p>What is more significant to me is her having the conflict and then putting out such a poorly reasoned opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: madmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey jpe I read both sides of arguments and try and discern the truth...can you say the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey jpe I read both sides of arguments and try and discern the truth...can you say the same?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herb:  Judges are people; people have biases.  Indeed, judges generally come from the ranks of the vey politically connected.

What we can expect is that they rule on the law rather than their policy preferences. When they fail to do that, there&#039;s a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herb:  Judges are people; people have biases.  Indeed, judges generally come from the ranks of the vey politically connected.</p>
<p>What we can expect is that they rule on the law rather than their policy preferences. When they fail to do that, there's a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was always under the impression that &quot;Judges were not supposed to have Biases&quot;.

I Guess I was wrong, but then again, the quality of some decisions from SCOTUS leaves a lot to be desired and have certainly shown the personal bias of the court and its judges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always under the impression that "Judges were not supposed to have Biases".</p>
<p>I Guess I was wrong, but then again, the quality of some decisions from SCOTUS leaves a lot to be desired and have certainly shown the personal bias of the court and its judges.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>legion:  Right.  Again, that was the substance of the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>legion:  Right.  Again, that was the substance of the post.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A minor blogswarm is brewing over this, with Greg Tinti making the best case that this is really an issue, noting the outrage over then-Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito’s relationship to the Vanguard Company.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And yet it was still considered a &#039;great thing&#039; by these same blogswarmers that Alito was eventually confirmed to the Supreme Court; unarguably, a more significant and influential position than Taylor&#039;s.

Also, bear in mind that Judge Taylor&#039;s group gave money &lt;em&gt;to&lt;/em&gt; the ACLU; neither she nor her group recieved money &lt;em&gt;from&lt;/em&gt; the ACLU. While there are certainly still questions that should be asked, the difference makes this issue much less ominous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A minor blogswarm is brewing over this, with Greg Tinti making the best case that this is really an issue, noting the outrage over then-Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito&rsquo;s relationship to the Vanguard Company.</p></blockquote>
<p>And yet it was still considered a 'great thing' by these same blogswarmers that Alito was eventually confirmed to the Supreme Court; unarguably, a more significant and influential position than Taylor's.</p>
<p>Also, bear in mind that Judge Taylor's group gave money <em>to</em> the ACLU; neither she nor her group recieved money <em>from</em> the ACLU. While there are certainly still questions that should be asked, the difference makes this issue much less ominous.</p>
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