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	<title>Comments on: You Call This a Victory?</title>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/you_call_this_a_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-261457</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I would suggest that this comment is completely the reverse of what is happening.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then you aren&#039;t paying attention.  Since the surge began the government has gotten more polarized, more sectarian.  The Sunni members of the ruling coalition pulled out mid last year.  Baghdad has become more homogeneous as Sunni have fled the nations capital.

At the same time we armed the local Sunni militias who now constitute a much stronger threat to the government&#039;s power than before.  We did it because they would kill AQI fighters.  great,but now AQI is essentially out of the picture and the goverment has openly declared that the militias will not be allowed to stay armed.

I&#039;d give you a chance to guess what will happen next but it really seems like you need things explained to you.

See when the government&#039;s Ministry of the Interior death squads show up to take the guns away from the militias the militias are going to say &quot;no.&quot;  Then the shooting and the midnight kidnappings, and the bodies found with drill holes in the skull will start up again.

I have to admit a considerable amount of shameful joy in imagining the faces of people like you in the coming year.  It is shameful because your humiliation comes at the expense of people suffering in Iraq.  But since the suffering is going to happen anyway I might as well enjoy it destroying the last feeble dreams of the neocon hawks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I would suggest that this comment is completely the reverse of what is happening.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then you aren't paying attention.  Since the surge began the government has gotten more polarized, more sectarian.  The Sunni members of the ruling coalition pulled out mid last year.  Baghdad has become more homogeneous as Sunni have fled the nations capital.</p>
<p>At the same time we armed the local Sunni militias who now constitute a much stronger threat to the government's power than before.  We did it because they would kill AQI fighters.  great,but now AQI is essentially out of the picture and the goverment has openly declared that the militias will not be allowed to stay armed.</p>
<p>I'd give you a chance to guess what will happen next but it really seems like you need things explained to you.</p>
<p>See when the government's Ministry of the Interior death squads show up to take the guns away from the militias the militias are going to say "no."  Then the shooting and the midnight kidnappings, and the bodies found with drill holes in the skull will start up again.</p>
<p>I have to admit a considerable amount of shameful joy in imagining the faces of people like you in the coming year.  It is shameful because your humiliation comes at the expense of people suffering in Iraq.  But since the suffering is going to happen anyway I might as well enjoy it destroying the last feeble dreams of the neocon hawks.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/you_call_this_a_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-261338</link>
		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the casualties are high they count every night and scream that this proves the war is a failure -when they are low they scream every night that this proves the war is a failure.

Those who cried &quot;exit strategy&quot; before the first shot fired landed are still pulling for the other side to win. Such is the sorry state of America today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the casualties are high they count every night and scream that this proves the war is a failure -when they are low they scream every night that this proves the war is a failure.</p>
<p>Those who cried "exit strategy" before the first shot fired landed are still pulling for the other side to win. Such is the sorry state of America today.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;so far there&#039;s very little indication that they are.&quot;  I would suggest that this comment is completely the reverse of what is happening.

It seems as if the Copperheads are posting tonight. Maybe it in something to do with the voting in Iowa. The adults are busy on other issues and left a crack in the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"so far there's very little indication that they are."  I would suggest that this comment is completely the reverse of what is happening.</p>
<p>It seems as if the Copperheads are posting tonight. Maybe it in something to do with the voting in Iowa. The adults are busy on other issues and left a crack in the door.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?  Everyone -- including Petraeus -- admits that we&#039;ll have to considerably lower our troop levels in Iraq by July at the latest WHATEVER happens, simply because the military is being exhausted.  In other words, we&#039;re going to find out before the end of this year whether the mice are willing to play together nicely when the cat&#039;s away, and so far there&#039;s very little indication that they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  Everyone -- including Petraeus -- admits that we'll have to considerably lower our troop levels in Iraq by July at the latest WHATEVER happens, simply because the military is being exhausted.  In other words, we're going to find out before the end of this year whether the mice are willing to play together nicely when the cat's away, and so far there's very little indication that they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep hoping for defeat and moving the goal posts. It won’t happen while Bush is in office. If the U.S. voters vote in a defeatist Dem then they will be responsible for any defeat in Iraq.

The surge purpose was to reduce the violence, which it has. Politics take a long time. Look at how late or uncompleted many required bills there has been in this last U.S. congress and we are suppose to have our cr#@ together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep hoping for defeat and moving the goal posts. It won&rsquo;t happen while Bush is in office. If the U.S. voters vote in a defeatist Dem then they will be responsible for any defeat in Iraq.</p>
<p>The surge purpose was to reduce the violence, which it has. Politics take a long time. Look at how late or uncompleted many required bills there has been in this last U.S. congress and we are suppose to have our cr#@ together.</p>
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