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Bush, Rubio, And Perry Condemn Trump, While Ted Cruz Salutes Him

Trump Apprentice

Mitt Romney isn’t running for President, but that isn’t stopping him from commenting about the people who are, especially one guy named Donald Trump:

Mitt Romney said Saturday that Donald Trump’s comments on Mexico and undocumented immigrants have hurt the Republican Party, making the 2012 presidential nominee the latest Republican to slam the billionaire over his controversial remarks.

Romney made his remarks during a Fourth of July parade in Wolfeboro, New Hampshire, which was also attended by presidential candidates New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio.

Asked if Trump’s comments on Mexicans have hurt the Republican Party, Romney replied, “Yes.”

“I think he made a severe error in saying what he did about Mexican-Americans,” Romney said.

And when he was asked if Republican candidates should be speaking out about Trump’s comments, Romney said, “I think a number of them have.”

He was referring to the handful of 2016 Republican hopefuls, most notably former New York Gov. George Pataki, who have slammed Trump over his remarks, in which he referred to some Mexican immigrants as “rapists” and “killers.”

Pataki isn’t alone in criticizing Trump anymore, though. Just in the past several days Jeb Bush has called Trump’s remarks “extraordinarily ugly,” Marco Rubio has called then “offensive” and “divisive,” former Texas Governor Rick Perry said he was offended by Trump’s remarks and that Trump does not represent the Republican Party,  and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has also joined in the criticism of Trump’s remarks. So far, in fact, the only Republican candidate who has had anything positive to say about Trump is Ted Cruz:

While several of his competitors run in the opposite direction, Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz says he won’t attack primary rival Donald Trump for his comments on Mexican immigrants. Quite the opposite, in fact.

“I salute Donald Trump for focusing on the need to address illegal immigration,” the Texas senator said on NBC’s Meet the Press in an interview that aired Sunday. “The Washington cartel doesn’t want to address that. The Washington cartel doesn’t believe we need to secure the borders. The Washington cartel supports amnesty and I think amnesty’s wrong, and I salute Donald Trump for focusing on it. He has a colorful way of speaking. It’s not the way I speak, but I’m not going to engage in the media’s game of throwing rocks and attacking other Republicans. I’m just not going to do it.”

(…)

“I like Donald Trump,” Cruz said. “He’s bold he’s brash. And I get that it seems the favorite sport of the American media is to encourage some Republicans to attack other Republicans. I ain’t gonna do it. I’m not interested in Republican-on-Republican violence.”

The dynamic of what’s going on here is quite interesting, and also rather predictable. Candidates like Bush, Perry, and Christie see Trump’s remarks for what they are, idiotic and ultimately damaging to the Republican Party. They also recognize that the longer the media keeps paying attention to the things Donald Trump says, which is likely to continue for as long as he remains a factor in the polls and keeps getting invited to debates, the harder it is going to be for them to get their message into the news cycle where voters can hear it. This is particularly important in the case of Perry and Christie, both of them are nearly the bottom of the top ten in the national polling averages. If either one slips out, they lose their chance to appear in the first round of Presidential Debates unless Fox News and CNN change their current debate criteria. For them and other candidates like then, Trump represents because, even if he does represent a temporary phenomenon in the race rather than something who is actually a serious contender for the nomination, as long as he is in the race he is going to be getting a outsized portion of the media coverage and he’s going to be sucking a lot of the oxygen out of the room. As long as he’s around, candidates like Perry and Christie will be severely handicapped in their ability to break through to voters. Candidates like Bush and Rubio on the other hand, as well as national Republicans like Romney, recognize the fact that Trump’s rhetoric has the potential to cause real damage for the party nationally, even more so because at the moment at least there seems to be at least some Republicans rallying around Trump.

Ted Cruz, on the other hand, is playing a different game, and it’s one that other candidates are likely to follow as well. Eventually, Trump’s candidacy is going to peter out. It will either happen because he finally implodes to the point where nobody takes it seriously, or he just gets bored with the whole and moves on to whatever his next publicity stunt might be. Whichever it is, even after Trump is going the people who seem to rallying around him in the polls will still be there. Cruz is obviously thinking that he could make a play for those voters at some point by refraining from attacking the man they’re supporting. It’s a cynical strategy, of course, and it essentially involves Cruz endorsing Trump’s bigoted nonsense, but that’s how politics works some time. As I said, I suspect we’ll see some other candidates follow Cruz’s route in refusing to criticize Trump no matter how much the media tries to get them to do otherwise. Don’t be surprised if candidates like Bobby Jindal and Mike Huckabee take up the same strategy in the coming weeks.

As for Trump himself, as I have said from the beginning he is not going to be the nominee but as long he is in the race he’s going to be one the predominant factor shaping the debate among the rest of the Republican field. This is just one example of that.

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Doug holds a B.A. in Political Science from Rutgers University and J.D. from George Mason University School of Law. He joined the staff of OTB in May, 2010 and also writes at Below The Beltway. Follow Doug on Twitter | Facebook

Comments

  1. John P. says:

    One way to get The Donald out of the debates is to amend the criteria for the debates to say that all candidates appearing in the debate must have a current FEC personal financial disclosure form filed.

    Trump will never do this because it will reveal his net worth to be far less than what he tells people. I suspect Trump will stay in the race as long as the FEC grants him extensions of time to file this form. And if it becomes a criterion to appear in a debate, he’ll abandon his candidacy immediately.

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  2. CSK says:

    On a scale of loathsomeness, it’s hard to calculate who ranks higher: Cruz or Trump.

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  3. Mark Ivey says:

    Trump says Cruz is a Canadian Cuban anchor baby though…..

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  4. Trump has already released a financial statement. The FEC statement does not require much more detail than he’s already given. People holding out hope that this will keep him out of the race “for real” are grasping at straws.

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  5. Facebones says:

    So only two weeks after Trump makes his “Mexicans are rapists” comments and some of the Republican candidates finally come out against him. Probably only after doing some internal polling.

    Real profiles in courage, they are. Just the kind of people you’d want to lead this country,

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  6. michael reynolds says:

    It is vital that Republicans lie. They lie about everything – their slavish toadying of the rich, their contempt for women, their real attitudes on race, their alleged positions on states’ rights and on and on.

    Trump is the true Republican id. He says what Republicans say when they’re drunk. GOP – Mask = Trump. That’s why some support him openly and more cheer him on sotto voce. You hear all the time from Republicans that they feel so stymied by “political correctness,” so very put-upon by liberal culture which won’t allow them to speak “truth.”

    The truth they mean is of course that black and brown, women and gays are and should remain second-class citizens. What they mean is that the white male is by rights the master and creator of this country. It is a message of white male supremacy, of white victimization by various “others,” all wrapped up in a confusion of self-pity and southern pride and a creepy quasi-patriotism that only extends to the armed forces. It’s the mind-set of bullies whose prey has turned on them. They want to “take back.” And who is to “take back?” White folks. And from whom would they like to take? Black and brown people.

    White people furious at the loss of their white male privilege. That’s the emotional core of the GOP base.

    But pandering to the racist base must be done subtly, with code words and dog whistles and policies intended to harm minorities but which can be disguised. Deniability must be maintained. And along comes this idiot with the hamster on his head just blurting it all out. The mistake from the GOP point of view, is not that Trump believes Mexicans are rapists, but that he said it out loud.

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  7. superdestroyer says:

    What is amazing is what Trump said is considered radical but Jeb Bush comes out with a book and Rubio gives speeches where they claim that middle class white Americans are too stupid for high tech work, too lazy to do manual labor, too selfish to get married and have children, and must be replaced with third world immigrants ASAP.

    Maybe is people took more time looking at what the cheap labor Republicans are saying, those Republicans would look at stupid as Trump does.

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  8. Gustopher says:

    This is some of the most sheepish, most grudging condemnation of someone’s remarks I have heard in a while. The candidates who have criticized Trump first quietly avoided saying anything, hoping it would go away. Even Pataki made a very calculated decision to try to use Trump’s remarks to boost his profile, but took a week or so to do so.

    Where is that quick, immediate, emotional response of someone actually offended? Why did none of them, on the day of Trump’s announcement, say “He said what? That man is an idiot and a buffoon.”?

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  9. bill says:

    @michael reynolds: he didn’t say everyone from mexico was a criminal- but you can get all wacked out and overreact like most of your ilk.
    stats don’t lie though, look up the “most wanted” lists in cali & texas- lots of vowels there, z’s & v’s too.

    http://www.dps.texas.gov/Texas10MostWanted/sexOffenders.aspx

    http://www.dps.texas.gov/Texas10MostWanted/fugitives.aspx

    http://www.dps.texas.gov/Texas10MostWanted/stillWanted.aspx

    https://northerncaliforniamostwanted.org/default.aspx?MenuItemID=719&MenuGroup=NC+Most+Wanted+Public

    http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

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  10. c.red says:

    @Doug Mataconis:

    Should have read this before I commented on Dr. Taylor’s thread – that’s really all it takes? That is disturbing and, in this case, disappointing.

    I still don’t think he goes the distance, for whatever other reason… as you state.

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  11. grumpy realist says:

    OT, but I think we’ve found a candidate for this year’s Darwin Award.

    (I’m sorry, but there are certain levels of stupidity that I can only shake my head at.)

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  12. Gustopher says:

    @bill: The Republican Party needs more people like you. People who aren’t afraid to tell it like it is. People who won’t be cowed by political correctness and the delicate feelings of liberals. People like you need to take back your party from the Jeb(!)s, the Romneys and the rest of the milquetoast RINOs.

    Why, those top ten lists are proof! They were obviously compiled in the most fair and unbiased manner possible, using pure measurements of inherent evil and dangerousness, rather than slapped together by a bored civil servant who just looks in the files for someone scary looking — such levels of incompetence could never come from the government of Texas. It’s a representative sample of the criminal low lifes that infest Texas.

    And all those Mexican sounding names… It’s proof positive that the Mexican main simply cannot be trusted. There isn’t even an indication that they are illegal immigrants, but who needs such a thing. It’s in their blood. It’s in their genes. It’s in their –gasp– jeans. Even if they were born here in the Good Old US of A, they should go back where they came from.

    Hallelujah!

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  13. Matt says:

    @Gustopher: I live in a city in Texas where according to the latest census 66% of the population is of Hispanic or Latino origin, of any race. Meaning the most of the people living here have Mexican sounding names….

    It’s true for most of Texas outside of the western area.

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  14. Matt says:

    What I found interesting is that 81% of people here self identified as white.

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  15. Matt says:

    @bill: Do you even have any idea of how the southwest area around California/Nevada/New MEXICO/Texas and such ended up as part of the USA?

    Long story short the area was all part of Mexico till the USA through TRUE northern aggression kicked Mexico in the face and took the land. So why/how are you surprised that such an area has a high percentage of Mexican sounding names?

    NONE of those people in your linked lists have ICE violations as part of their criminal record. Near as I can tell through their public records they are all legal residents.

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  16. Feral Cat says:

    A time is coming when men [Rubio, Bush, Perry] will go mad, and when they see someone [Trump] who is not mad, they will attack him, saying ‘You are mad; you are not like us.’
    St. Anthony

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  17. An Interested Party says:

    he didn’t say everyone from mexico was a criminal- but you can get all wacked out and overreact like most of your ilk.
    stats don’t lie though, look up the “most wanted” lists in cali & texas- lots of vowels there, z’s & v’s too.

    With diatribes like that, you only guarantee that you and your ilk are rapidly becoming a despised bigoted minority…why, whatever will you do when you become a true minority in this country and “those people” outnumber you? Not to worry, though, perhaps you’ll be dead by then…

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  18. @Doug Mataconis: Neither the FEC/U.S. Office of Government Ethics nor Generally Accepted Accounting Principles include internally generated trademarks and “branding” (out of lawyers’ fees defending the trademark) as an “asset” as Trump does. In fact, according to Trump’s summary sheet, “real estate license deals, brand and branded developments” account for 38% of his net worth. And that’s not getting into some of the other absurd claims made on that sheet.

    In addition, the U.S. Office of Government Ethics’s Form 278e is nine-part form and immensely more complicated than a one-page summary sheet.

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  19. Matt says:

    @Timothy Watson: Yeah that document is a joke.

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  20. Tyrell says:

    The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) has some data and statistics. I am not a fan of Trump. He tends to always create a scene, stir up a storm, and then take off. Don is indicating that some of the people coming in illegally are committing the crimes, which includes assaulting youg girls crossing the border. People and law enforcement agents have been well aware of this for some time. Some of the people down there place caches of water and other survival materials out in the wilderness and brush so these people can survive. It is the illegal criminals being released from their jails coming in who are responsible for a lot of these crimes down there, not the decent law abiding citizens of Mexico: they are not the problem. I thought that Donald made that point clear. So it is not some sort of racist statements. Trump may have some faults, but he is not a racist. He is saying things that a lot of people are thinking.
    The border – soon there will be this huge military training exercise in the southwest (the largest gathering of the military in this country since the Civil War). Maybe they could let them train by patrolling the border for a few months. Our state is not on the list, but in the last weeks I have seen huge numbers of army tanks going through town on the railroad flat cars. If we had that many tanks in Berlin, we could have run the Russians all the way back to Moscow.

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  21. Blue Galangal says:

    @Tyrell: The US produced ~88,000 armored fighting vehicles during World War II. The vast majority of medium and heavy tanks were used in the European theatre (including northern Africa). In July 1944 the Allies had ~4500 Sherman tanks in France alone. The Soviets produced less than this number during the entire war (~3500).

    For reference, the US currently has ~8500 tanks. They are not all in Texas. Given that Ft Hood is home to III Corps and a couple of other armored divisions, at a rough guess I’d say Ft Hood might have ~750 tanks assigned to the units stationed there.

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  22. @Tyrell:

    The organization People for the American Way has highlighted a number of controversial statements by CIS senior policy analyst Stephen Steinlight made in July 2014. Steinlight said that the US should ban Muslim immigration because “Muslims believe in things that are subversive to the Constitution”,[36] called immigration reform “a plot against America” and Republicans who support it “psychotic”,[37] and of President Barack Obama that “being hung, drawn and quartered is probably too good for him.”[38]

    On July 24, 2014, CIS announced that it had disciplined Steinlight for both remarks.[39]

    Yep, nothing wrong with that source.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies

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  23. Modulo Myself says:

    I’ll say this about Trump–to someone who is the image of his target demo, he comes off as far less of a prick and a moralist than any of the other GOP candidates. There’s hardly any Jesus in his pitch, which has to be a relief. He’s on wife number four. In one year, he’s almost certainly had sex with more women than the other candidates have had in their entire lives. Also, he’s not a suck-up, lackey, or a political heir. Scott Walker may be dumb as a post but he’s also a yes-man, and would jettison dead white weight in a second when he’s ordered to do so. Ditto Rubio, who is a boring social climber. Jeb Bush is the unoriginal version of Mitt Romney. The other candidates are laughable nobodies with nothing to say. Trump will not win the nomination but he’s the reality of everything the GOP supposedly wants. What are the others going to say–this guy’s an idiot and totally selfish but he represents all that we desire in government?

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  24. Dr. Barnes says:

    Trump at least had the balls to say what most people already know. I hope at least the medial will now take this issue seriously instead of ignoring it like a daily Chicago shooting between two black men.

    They’ll probably though keep sending us their “Best & Brightest” instead

    http://7online.com/news/3-teens-arraigned-in-rape-robbery-of-16-year-old/761429/

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  25. bill says:

    @Gustopher: math isn’t that hard is it?

    @Matt: is there a point to that? we took over all of this country by fighting for it…. reminds me of a joke, a mexican is rambling on and on about how Texas used to be part of his shitty country and such- someone says “if Texas was still part of mexico then we’d all be working in nebraska”! the underlying theme is that mexico is a shithole country that can’t even run itself…..and the theme of the most wanted lists is that cali & Texas have roughly half of those who emigrate from mexico, and they seem to occupy a bit more space on those lists than blacks and whites.

    side note- my son in law is 2nd gen mexican, and my gf is a 1st gen immigrant (and black), both got here legally and have careers. aside from voting for obama they’re doing ok by me!

    speaking of human garbage dumping, how do ya’ll feel about that poor girl in san fran who was gunned down just for fun….by an illegal mexican?! sucks when trump gets validated just like that doesn’t it? but y’all need them kind of voters i guess.

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  26. al-Ameda says:

    That is good news indeed.

    I’m not kidding – I hope Trump is in it for the long run. He has demonstrated the kind of “straight talking” bluntness that I was counting on. I think that Donald Trump and Sarah Palin are the two least introspective and most un-thoughtful national politicians of the past 25 years or so. Those two are the best get-out-the-vote operatives for the Democratic Party.

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  27. Davebo says:

    @bill:

    my gf is a 1st gen immigrant (and black), both got here legally and have careers.

    What did that set you back?

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  28. Deserttrek says:

    illegal alien killers, rapists and more are in the news on a regular basis, san francisco has more than its share …. try living in a border state and seeing it for yourselves….. bush thinks he is hispanic, and the rest of cowards and panderers. Cruz has it right as does Trump . to all who think illegals are good, how many do you have in your house? i know the answer cowards

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  29. James P says:

    I’m not saying I’m a Trump supporter, but I am warming to him. I really admire that he is the only guy (along with maybe Cruz) to stand up against Christian persecution.

    Trump is not beholden to political correctness.

    What he said is substantially accurate. The illegal aliens coming here are not the best and the brightest. The best and the brightest can get H1B visas and come here LEGALLY. That’s just factually accurate.

    The ones who can’t get the H1Bs are the riff-raf and quite frankly the ones we don’t want here.

    Ask the family of that poor girl in San Francisco who was murdered by the illegal alien whether Mexico is sending their best and brightest.

    Trump is the only person with the guts to turn that guy into the 2015 version of Willie Horton. The reason you libs hate the Willie Horton ad is because it was effective. Trump has the stones to do that. I don’t see that anyone else does.

    God bless the Trumpster! The man has guts!

    Trump might fly the Confederate flag from the White House just to tweak you folks. Damn that would be funny!

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  30. Matt says:

    @bill:My point is quite clear. Your lists are absolutely meaningless as those people have long ancestral lines of living there/here. They aren’t immigrants and they certainly aren’t here illegally as you tried to claim. Pieces of shit exist in all races and there’s a big pile of white ones up north.

    @Deserttrek: I live closer to the border then you’ll ever be and I’m calling bullshit on your post. People in Texas are more worried about the jade helm by many factors.

    http://phys.org/news/2013-11-immigrants-commit-major-crimes.html

    http://cad.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/09/30/0011128713502406.abstract

    Plenty of studies show that first generation immigrants commit crimes at far lower rates than native born people.

    The vast majority of people here illegally don’t want the attention from law enforcement.

    The murder in San Fransisco was just one of what will be around 1800 murders this year. Almost all of which are committed by legal residents.

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  31. Jenos Idanian #13 says:

    I’m warming to the theory that Trump is a Moby for the left in this race.

    But this raises an awkward question. Why aren’t Democrats ever asked to condemn the comments or actions of other Democrats? Why are only Republicans the ones ever asked to answer for the remarks of others?

    “Senator Sanders, during her tenure as Secretary of State, Secretary Clinton exclusively used a private e-mail server for her official business. During that time, it was hacked at least once by a foreign national, and when her e-mails were subpoenaed, she failed to turn over several documents to Congress and also wiped the server clean, destroying the documents that were under subpoena. Would that be acceptable conduct for a cabinet officer in a Sanders administration?”

    I understand why no one asks Hillary such questions — she doesn’t take any questions, so there’s no opportunity there. But there are several other people running. (A bunch of old white people, it must be noted — the Democratic field is considerably less diverse than the Republican field, which features both sexes, at least four different ethnicities and an age range running a good 25 years or so.) But the other candidates are out and about — why don’t they get the “gotcha” questions?

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  32. Pinky says:

    It’d be easier to believe that Cruz didn’t want to attack Republicans if he hadn’t done so in the same quote. (I assume that the Washington cartel isn’t solely Democratic.)

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  33. humanoid.panda says:

    @Tyrell:

    Our state is not on the list, but in the last weeks I have seen huge numbers of army tanks going through town on the railroad flat cars. If we had that many tanks in Berlin, we could have run the Russians all the way back to Moscow

    I am pretty sure that Tyrell is a troll pretending to be a delude,lonely old man, hooked up on Fox and its peripharelia. Still, how many people like that are there outside who have fully convinced themselves that they are hearing tanks on the train tracks outside, and the their only chance to save themselves is to send money to that nice man they hear talking about gun and gold and seeds and fighting Obama in commercial breaks? Heartbreaking, isn’t it?

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  34. Jenos Idanian #13 says:

    “Secretary Clinton! Senator Sanders says that the true unemployment level isn’t 5.3%, like the president says, but actually 10.5%! He also once argued that orgasms can help prevent cervical cancer! Do you have any comments to those remarks?”

    “I’m sorry, Secretary Clinton can’t hear you from that corral we stuck you in. But I’m sure she’ll address all your questions in her next canned speech — here’s your copy of what she will say.”

    Those are some pretty juicy quotes, Doug. Does the fact that they weren’t said by a Republican make them less interesting to you?

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  35. Tony W says:

    @Jenos Idanian #13: Your example says it all. It is a policy question that may or may not intend to imply a scandal that nobody has yet proven to be anything like a scandal because every Sec. of State has done the same thing since the days of cc:Mail.

    On the Republican side we could ask why candidates deny proven science, ask for our president’s birth certificate, embrace trickle-down economics, fear Mexican schoolchildren on busses and openly embrace racism, sexism and homophobia.

    This is not a both-sides-do-it scenario by any stretch.

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  36. anjin-san says:

    Jenos – I see you are all over the Clinton email “scandal” – well, since some hot babes in short skirts on Fox say there is a scandal, then there must be one – right?

    How is the ebola crisis going Jenos? What’s Obama’s body count? How about the Muslim “no-go” zones? Have they swallowed any western cities yet?

    While you are at it, why don’t you tell us again how George Zimmerman is a stand up guy who was simply defending himself?

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  37. grumpy realist says:

    @Gustopher: It also might be that the US citizens with license plates, bank accounts, and ties to the rest of the economy are more easily tracked down and caught. So the more American-sounding names have already been scooped up.

    You can’t tell anything by the seeming ethnicity of names on a MOST WANTED list.

    (This is of course assuming that a sizable percentage of names on a MOST WANTED list are illegals, which is what a lot of people on the right seem to be claiming. Or are you against Hispanics in general?)

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  38. bill says:

    @Matt: yawn, there’s this river in egypt that just popped into my head for some reason…. our country should be able to choose who get’s to enjoy ours, not vise versa. you don’t seem to grasp the whole “legal vs. illegal” stance. i’ve been in Texas or over 30 yrs, most of my workforce has hailed from south of the border so i do know a bit about stats vs. reality.
    @Davebo: 0.0, as it should have!

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  39. Jenos Idanian #13 says:

    @anjin-san: This is so simple, even an idiot should be able to grasp it. It would take a deliberate act of malice to misunderstand it.

    1) Congress subpoenas all of Hillary’s work-related e-mails from her tenure as Secretary of State from Hillary and from the State Department.

    2) Hillary turns over a bunch of e-mails (many redacted) from her private server, says that they represent every single e-mail covered by the subpoena, and then wipes the server clean.

    3) The State Department turns over its collection of e-mails covered by the subpoena, and it includes quite a few that were absent from Hillary’s release — even though they were either sent to or from her, and would have been on her private server.

    I believe the legal term is “prima facie” that she not only failed to comply with the subpoena, but willfully destroyed evidence to attempt to evade the subpoena.

    But she’s a Democrat, and the people who are pointing out her actions are Republicans, so that doesn’t matter. After all, that’s the standard under the Obama administration — “it would help the Republicans” is a perfectly legal defense for any kind of wrongdoing.

    As for the rest of your irrelevant twaddle… it’s about what anyone can expect from you.

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  40. anjin-san says:

    That’s fascinating Jenos. And how are the Benghazi investigations coming along? Have you found that smoking gun yet? Any day now…

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  41. Jenos Idanian #13 says:

    @anjin-san: I haven’t been following the Benghazi hearings that well, thank you for asking, but apparently the stonewalling is beginning to crumble.

    Longtime Clinton crony Sidney Blumenthal was blocked from working at State by the Obama administration, so Hillary put him on the payroll of the Clinton Foundation and set him up with a clintonemail.com address.. Blumenthal also got on the payroll of some businesses that wanted to do business in post-Khadaffi Libya.

    Blumenthal then used that e-mail to lobby Hillary on behalf of his other employers, supplying her with “information” that they provided that she then passed on to her State Department subordinates. They recognized that what Blumenthal was pushing was completely self-serving tripe, but had to pretend it was accurate and useful to keep the boss happy.

    I am not aware if Blumenthal was registered as a lobbyist at this time, but that was exactly what he was doing. And his employers certainly got their money’s worth, because they had their spin and interests presented to the State Department by the Secretary herself.

    Blumenthal’s clinteonemail.com account was also hacked by a foreign national, who published some of his exchanges with the Secretary of State. So he was one way that foreign nationals gained access to highly sensitive information — through Hillary’s server. There may have been other intrusions, but we’ll never know — Hillary wiped the server clean. But we know for a fact that the server was hacked at least once.

    Oh, and we know that Hillary lied when she said she turned over all relevant e-mails from her server. The State Department turned over quite a few e-mails to and from her that were covered by the subpoena, but were apparently missed by Hillary and her staff before they wiped all the evidence clean. Some might call that act a “consciousness of guilt,” but I think it’s a bit premature to say that. Just that it was incredibly convenient for Hillary.

    That answer your questions, annie? And are you sorry you asked yet?

    I’m not. It gave me the opportunity to say things that the authors here would never bother to mention.

    Perhaps I should spread the rumor that Hillary’s server had a Confederate flag sticker on its case or something…

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  42. grumpy realist says:

    Well, now Trump is claiming he’s going to get into the White House because Hispanics love him so much.

    No joke.

    I’m starting to put this guy together with Tsipras when it comes to over-the-top ego.

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  43. Deserttrek says:

    @michael reynolds: so the fact that o80% of women interviewed by the Pew Hispanic center said they were raped or abused in mexico means nothing …… time to grow up bigot and see the truth about your political beliefs and the anger and racism behind them ….. 15 miles close enough for you? stop with your defense of criminals and your obvious hate for citizens … memeber of isis?

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  44. Deserttrek says:

    @Matt: so its ok if illegal aliens kill people and commit crimes because citizens do? that is mental illness at its best

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  45. anjin-san says:

    @Jenos Idanian #13:

    Perhaps I should spread the rumor that Hillary’s server had a Confederate flag sticker on its case or something…

    Well, I know you are anxious to defend your flag…

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  46. Jenos Idanian #13 says:

    @anjin-san: Not my flag, sweetheart. Never was, never will be. Closest was my collection of “Haunted Tank” comics and a pubescent fixation on Daisy Duke.

    I just figured that I’d hop on the bandwagon of sudden hysteria and pants-wetting over the silly thing and try to channel that energy into something productive.

    BTW, Hillary was asked about that in that CNN fluff piece. She said that she was never under subpoena, and turned over more material than she was legally required. Congressman Goudy promptly released the subpoena that Hillary claims never existed and pointed out that pretty much everything she’s said about it is “demonstrably false.”

    She wasn’t subpoenaed — yeah, she was.

    She only used one electronic device for “convenience” — no, she had a couple.

    She only had one e-mail address she used: no, she had at least two.

    She turned over copies of all subpoenaed documents: no, she didn’t.

    She didn’t have any classified information on her private server: yes, she did.

    I can’t think of a single honest answer she’s given on this whole mess. Throw me a bone, and cite a few things she did actually not lie about.

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  47. anjin-san says:

    @Jenos Idanian #13:

    I just figured that I’d hop on the bandwagon of sudden hysteria and pants-wetting over the silly thing and try to channel that energy into something productive.

    Ah, you must mean something productive like your hysteria ebola rants.

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  48. anjin-san says:

    @Jenos Idanian #13:

    sweetheart

    I remember thinking that that was a really bitchin’ putdown line. Of course I was 14 at the time.

    Perhaps you and Jack should bet together and share some cupcakes…

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  49. anjin-san says:

    @Jenos Idanian #13:

    a pubescent fixation on Daisy Duke.

    Personally, I was into Natalie Wood as a boy. Interesting what these things tell us about a person. Here’s what my younger self though a beautiful woman looked like:

    http://i.imgur.com/fMAbGtl.jpg

    And you:

    http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODMwWDYwMA==/$(KGrHqNHJEoFBmqPesbuBQgdyMKc6g~~60_57.JPG

    Haven’t you learned yet that when you speak, you revel yourself – and that in your case, that is not a good thing?

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  50. Jenos Idanian #13 says:

    @anjin-san: OK, you busted me. I just revealed… my approximate age.

    And to be brutally honest, I really wasn’t that into Catherine Bach. Not quite my type. It was just a tossed-off line. My adolescent daydreams were more populated with women like…

    Nah. You have a remarkable tendency to focus on the most irrelevant minutiae of what I write, to the total exclusion of the actual substance of my remarks, and I really don’t feel like feeding that tendency of yours.

    I mean, look above. You asked about BENGHAZI!!!!! in an attempt to humiliate me, and it blew up in your face. So how did you respond to that?

    You ignored all the weapons-grade unloading on Hillary to focus on the Confederate flag reference, a casual dismissal tone, and my adolescent crushes (which was actually fictional). You ran from the Hillary dump like Hillary from fictional sniper fire.

    You should be ignored like Trump should be ignored, like Hillary’s incurable tendency to lie about everything is ignored.

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  51. anjin-san says:

    @Jenos Idanian #13:

    I really wasn’t that into Catherine Bach

    Of course you weren’t. That’s why you told us you were “fixated” on her :)

    It’s just like you did not really care very much about George Zimmermann.

    Do you buy the shovels in bulk?

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  52. Jenos Idanian #13 says:

    @anjin-san: Bach is better looking than Hillary, and Zimmerman’s probably a better shot, but neither of them can match her endless capacity to lie, and her sycophants to enable her to keep getting away with it.

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