Yes. If your party doesn’t get its way, they may get to keep some of them. Lots to worry about there.

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@Prophetess Linda: These silly and weak attacks on Governor Huckabee are just further proof he WILL be the Republican nominee and our next president.

Looks like you are qualified to predict the future. So help us all understand exactly what Hucleberry meant at the CPAP Convention when he stated:

“I know there’s a God. And I know that this nation would not exist had He not been the midwife of its birth. And I know that this nation exists by the providence of His hand and if this nation forgets our God, then God will have every right to forget about us,”

“…then God will have every right to forget about us.”
Maybe it’s just me but this sounds like a threat.
Mr. Huck is going to sic God on us if we all don’t practice his religion? Please Prophetess Linda, tell us what this means.

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First off, I’m pro-choice, so your assumptions about what I think are wildly inaccurate. Just because I criticized a particular argument of grumpy’s doesn’t suddenly make me the pro-lifer clinging to vague pseudoreligious doctrine as justification for social policy. Second, you do understand I was joking about the connection of constitutional rights and fetuses, right? If anything, I was implying that you don’t get constitutional rights until you’re four, something most people would be appalled at.

Third, way to regurgitate a Peter Singer book or every Christian Children’s Fund commercial ever aired. Your moralizing wouldn’t do much to persuade. I think I said in another thread that most social conservatives toeing the hard line on [it was homosexuality in that thread, but in this one it will be] abortion think they’re living in Sodom & Gomorrah, and will get nuked by God for not speaking up about all the [it was sodomy then but now it's] abortion. You can’t allude to kids dying of hunger in Africa to get them to legalize abortion here through the magic of moral equivalency.

Fourth, can we start arguing with each other, and not with the caricatures of each other’s “sides” that we’ve formed so keenly in our minds? Jesus Christ.

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These silly and weak attacks on Governor Huckabee are just further proof he WILL be the Republican nominee and our next president. He is fully vetted and THIS is ALL you can find on him? Id put him up against ANY Democratic nominee. Governor Huckabee has cross-party lines appeal, much the same as Ronald Reagan. Even a Democrat can recognize a common-sense leader with impeccable integrity.

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Do four year olds have constitutional rights? This might be half-remembered BS, but I recall reading that dogs are roughly as intelligent as four year olds.

Who said anything about intelligence? Your side is claiming that a fetus without any brain waves other than stem cell motor functions should be granted the same constitutional rights as a born human. Worse then that many on your (general)side seem to be saying that the moment egg meets sperm that should be granted constitutional rights.

Let me tell you something right now, right this very second, there is a child somewhere in east africa that is dying for lack of a bit of food or some clean water. You could stop it, right now you could send a few hundred dollars to save a life. Why aren’t you doing that? Why aren’t you sending every red cent you can, save for what it would cost to keep you in a subsistence level existence to save as many people as you can. After all people are dying simply because it’s inconvenient for you to give up your 1st world middle class lifestyle. Are you saying that the government should come along and force you to? CHILDREN ARE DYING!!!! Or are you going to equivocate on flimsy distinction between positive and negative action and say “that’s different”?

I’ll tell you why your not, because you only believe what you believe in the context of a 1st world middle class world view where we have the luxury to argue about angels dancing on the head of a pin or if life begins at conception or implantation, take your pick, both argument are of exactly the same import. I’m talking about the impact on society, public policy, and what we call a life (or a “baby” since forced birthers tend to prefer the cute and cuddly imagery when discussing such things). There is also the issue of, at what point does having a baby endanger your health or life more then delivering it?

Fact is that the mystical thinkers can’t even decide if life begin at conception or implantation. Science tell us that it happens somewhere around 20 – 25 weeks. Some argue this should be the standard. The point is that whatever that point is argument over it isn’t new, and as it happens the level of treatment of people in general goes up and comes down, and this question will never be settled. The law is all about pickling some arbitrary line to accomodat the concerns of different points of view and that’s why assigning constitutional right to a fetus is simply not an enforceable course of action.

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The D’s are going to take a licking this time around, but it will be the GOP’s turn in 2016 when the table turns.

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Well, we can’t say she hasn’t been tested by fire. After having to deal with the stuff the Republican party has been throwing at her since Day One of Bill Clinton’s presidency, she must be harder than diamond.

I’d prefer Elizabeth Warren, but…sigh…..

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