8 responses to “Gruber”

1. 

   al-Ameda

   December 10, 2014 at 11:16 am

   It is unclear to me what the point was supposed to have been (save to further embarrass Gruber and to create cable news and talk radio fodder).

   Exactly. This is a very low-grade Kabuki.

   Also, I’m shocked, absolutely shocked, that the Administration did not want to use the word “tax” to describe what could definitely be construed as a “tax.” No Administration has ever done that.

   Apart from that, I’m not sure that Gruber was wrong in describing the American people as stupid – periodic polling shows us that many, many Americans are generally stupid and uninformed on many issues, and on the basic facts of American history and our system of government. The problem is that he said it, and Republicans are predictably offended (as they are about just about everything.)
2. 

   CB

   December 10, 2014 at 11:35 am

   @al-Ameda:

   “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
3. 

   gVOR08

   December 10, 2014 at 11:43 am

   @al-Ameda: As you may have seen me say more than once, the electorate are a box of rocks.

   Scott Adams, the guy who does Dilbert, talks about “induhviduals”. His point is that nobody can be smart about everything. Everybody has subjects they are not interested in, and about which they know little. So everybody’s stupid about something. Most people take no serious interest in politics. If the average middle class white guy took half the time he spends on sports and spent it on current events, history, econ, etc. we’d have a completely different country.

   This leads to the question, how did Gruber at al mislead anyone when no one was paying any attention?
4. 

   Gustopher

   December 10, 2014 at 5:06 pm

   Gruber is this year’s Saul Alinsky.

   He means nothing to anyone, except a small group of conservatives who are trained to salivate on command at the mention of the name.

   Not sure why anyone wants all that conservative saliva, but whatever…
5. 

   Tyrell

   December 10, 2014 at 7:44 pm

   Think about this: the AHA is not the problem. It may not help the problem, but it did not start the problem. The problem is that Americans are over doctored, over medicated, over tested, and over specialized. A relative of mine is going to doctors at least once a week; called in all the time by the different specialists for pre – tests, tests, and follow up visits to tell them the results of the tests even after they have been told the results over the phone. The reason for all of this ? Money, of course ! The doctors are playing the Medicare system, knowing that it will pay for all of these visits and tests. I am not about to go in for just a chat. Multiple, overlapping tests. There is no one doctor that sees the overall picture. And all of this medication.
   And what is the reason for this thing with the doctor sitting there with their face lost in a laptop, entering information that who knows winds up where. Even some of the doctors don’t know where it all goes. Doctors tell me now that they have no time to talk to their patients. I have a solution: close the laptop and talk to your patient. Make a few notes on their chart the way you used to. Forget sending all this information in to some bureaucrat.
   Here is another example, and this took place way before Obama even got elected. Ankle sprain: emergency room visit winds up costing $1200. That is for 2 xrays, a doctor to look at them, $400 for a wrap that you can get at the local drug store for $20, and a prescription for pain medicine. I told my doctor about it and he just shook his head, and told me that it would have been about $120 at his office. He can’t believe that the hospital ripped people off like
   that.
   The AHA may have some problems, but the big problems were already there. I hope it does not make them worse. I do not know how it could get any worser.
6. 

   James Pearce

   December 10, 2014 at 8:24 pm

   Grubergate was not really pointless. It’s testament to how the GOP hunts for the slow animals rather than the fat ones, and it’s also testament to the utter spinelessness of the Democrats.

   No one’s going to pull the “advisers should be able to say reprehensible things” card that was so useful in other situations?
7. 

   Ken_L

   December 10, 2014 at 8:37 pm

   @James Pearce:

   I don’t agree it was pointless. It was a carefully orchestrated barrage of hysteria so intense that the media could not afford to ignore it, and it created uniformly negative perceptions of the Administration. Moreover, it arguably triggered internal Party dissent in the form of Schumer et al’s efforts to revise history.

   An outstanding little triumph for conservatives I’d say, with the added bonus of establishing a new low in political smearing as the norm.
8. 

   bill

   December 10, 2014 at 9:53 pm

   @Ken_L: well it was a seemingly well orchestrated effort to minimize it, and it should have been a “story” from the get go. you have one of aca’s architects blathering to public crowds about how they deliberately made what was essentially a huge tax on the middle class just a battle between right & wrong. the lies were deliberate and are now part of “settled law”- until someone can figure out a way to dump this pos.
   he is right about the voters being stupid, they choose to be for this very reason.