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Poll: 46% Of Mississippi Republicans Think Interracial Marriage Should Be Illegal

Assuming it’s accurate, this may qualify as the most depressing poll result I’ve seen in quite sometime:

Americans nationwide are evenly divided over the issue of same sex marriage. But Republicans in Mississippi are divided over a wholly different wedlock issue: interracial marriage.

In a PPP poll released Thursday, a 46% plurality of registered Republican voters said they thought interracial marriage was not just wrong, but that it should be illegal. 40% said interracial marriage should be legal.

Someone please inform these people that Loving v. Virginia was decided in 1967.

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Doug holds a B.A. in Political Science from Rutgers University and J.D. from George Mason University School of Law. He joined the staff of OTB in May, 2010 and also writes at Below The Beltway. Follow Doug on Twitter | Facebook

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  1. jwest says:

    As this poll fits Doug’s impression of people in Mississippi, we can’t rely on him to ask the obvious questions.

    Who thinks of taking a poll of republicans in Mississippi and asking if interracial marriage should be legal? Could there be a more blatant attempt to paint conservatives as racists than this? Would anyone with an I.Q over room temperature not question the motivation behind this?

    Of course, I accept the results and methodology from this liberal polling group at face value, just like Doug.

    (sigh)

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  2. lunchstealer says:

    jwest – no matter how blatant the attempt to paint Mississippi conservatives as racists might be, it wouldn’t be effective if Mississippi conservatives didn’t respond as if they were, y’know, racist.

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  3. Seriously are we really surprised that this would happen in the only state left that still has the Confederate Battle Flag as part of its state flag

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  4. Trumwill says:

    JWest, regardless of what preconceptions may have existed that motivated the poll, Mississippi Republicans could have just said that interracial marriage should be legal. Seriously. It’s not a hard question. It wasn’t even a leading question.

    “Do you think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal?”

    The wrong answer is: “illegal”

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  5. jimmy says:

    I’m a Republican and my family has a long history of marrying “outside our race”. I really wish you radical lefties would stop trying to tar us with your own brush

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  6. wr says:

    jwest’s response to this is the same as his fury of mean ol’ Katie Couric asking those horrible questions of Sarah Palin — why do you big meanies ask us things when you know that what we say in response will make us look bad?

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  7. Crack Corn says:

    Jimmy, when polling I guess we forgot to call your family… so we’ll correct the findings to 45.998% who believe interracial marriages should be illegal.

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  8. EddyTeach says:

    As a Mississippian who has heard this kind of thing before, I’ll add an interesting perspective. Please note in advance that I do NOT subscribe to this. At all.

    I’ve heard it said on more than one occasion that there’s “nothing wrong with interracial marriages, or interracial dating… only that they are against it because of the difficulty they would be putting themselves and their children through due to hurtful comments by other people.”

    It’s reminiscent of the argument that exists today about gay adoption– when people say “they shouldn’t adopt because it will be hell for those kids to endure the ridicule [from people like me].”

    p.s. I do NOT subscribe to this.

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  9. Trumwill says:

    Eddy, I’ve heard that, too (I’m from the South, but not Mississippi). I’ve even heard that from one person that I am pretty sure wasn’t a racist*. I think that it’s mostly a self-justification. But even if it’s earnest, that’s a reason not to do have an interracial relationship. It takes a different mentality, in my view, to believe that it ought to be *illegal*. That’s the big part for me. A lot of these polls on a lot of things I think are answered without thorough thought, but the word “illegal” should have been a flag. But it wasn’t.

    * – I didn’t know his family, though. It’s possible that he knew his parents would freak out over a biracial grandchild.

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  10. michael reynolds says:

    This can’t be.

    I keep hearing from conservatives that there’s no such thing as racism anymore. And that it plays no role in conservative politics. And then they call me a racist for daring to suggest that race actually plays a pretty big role in conservatism, in the GOP, and in attitudes toward Obama.

    Imagine my surprise then to discover that I was right all along.

    I’m sure Drew and the rest of the racism-deniers will be along to apologize to me any moment now.

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  11. Southern Hoosier says:

    I wonder if they did a similar poll of Democrats, how many of them would be opposed to interracial marriages? Democrats have a long history of being racist.

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  12. Crack Corn says:

    Southern Hoosier, it’s a fair question to ask the same of the dems, but it’s intellectually dishonest to pretend the dems of today are anything remotely simulation in attitudes, beliefs, and actions as they were decades ago. Let’s be adults here.

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  13. jwest says:

    I’ve never seen a group of people who put such faith in polls.

    Anyone versed in polling operations will tell you that with the proper wording, question placement, inflection, time of day, weighting and a hundred other variables, you could get the same result on the same question from liberals in Massachusetts.

    Unbelievably naïve.

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  14. michael reynolds says:

    jwest:

    As pointed out above: it’s not exactly a trick question.

    Nor is it a surprise to anyone who actually pays attention with an open mind to the nature of politics in this country as well as taking the time to learn some history and acquire a decent understanding of human nature.

    There was no sudden, magical disappearance of every racist in the country. They are still around. And they are still a vital part of the GOP electorate.

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  15. Scott says:

    Here’s the question from the poll:

    “Do you think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal?”

    That first part, asking southern Republicans if they think, is obviously meant to confuse them and prejudice the results.

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  16. Southern Hoosier says:

    Crack Corn says:Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 19:54
    Southern Hoosier, it’s a fair question to ask the same of the dems, but it’s intellectually dishonest to pretend the dems of today are anything remotely simulation in attitudes, beliefs, and actions as they were decades ago. Let’s be adults here.

    The key word was “history.” If the Democrats are more than willing to dredge of a Republican’s past, then why should the Democrats be exempt? Sen Byrd in his 2005 book Child of the Appalachian Coalfields. spoke fondly of his membership in the KKK. Was 2005 decades ago?

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  17. Southern Hoosier says:

    Scott says: Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 20:16
    That first part, asking southern Republicans if they think, is obviously meant to confuse them and prejudice the results.

    How are southern Democrats any different from southern Republicans?

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  18. Scott says:

    “How are southern Democrats any different from southern Republicans?”

    Uh, they’re Democrats?

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  19. PJ says:

    How are southern Democrats any different from southern Republicans?

    That there’s a lot fewer of them? That the Civil Rights Act and the Southern Strategy turned a lot of southern Democrats into southern Republicans? Maybe there are reasons why the ones that are left hasn’t bolted for the Republican party? Perhaps they don’t share the view expressed by the Mississippi Republicans?

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  20. george says:

    How serious were the people who responded? I remember a poll the sociology students took in the college of engineering when I was an undergraduate, which ended up with such interesting results such as 90% or so of the engineering students thought that not only had the moon landing been faked, but that the earth was actually flat.

    It was suspected that some of the engineering students didn’t take the poll seriously …

    If this was a real, scientific poll that was taken serious, the results are extremely bad. But it almost looks like joke results.

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  21. Trumwill says:

    That first part, asking southern Republicans if they think, is obviously meant to confuse them and prejudice the results.

    Also, it follows a question about the senate primaries. If there’s anything that sends out subliminal messages about interracial marriage and how to answer that you think they should be illegal, that’s it.

    The most benign explanation I can think of is that they misheard the question and thought they were being asked about gay marriage (a question of greater contemporary importance). But I find it difficult to believe that more heard the question wrong than right. Or, even if they did, it says something else pretty negative about Mississippi Republicans.

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  22. Scott says:

    Southern Hoosier, just out of curiosity, what’s your opinion on interracial marriage?

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  23. Southern Hoosier says:

    Scott says: Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 21:14
    Southern Hoosier, just out of curiosity, what’s your opinion on interracial marriage?

    Opposed.

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  24. mantis says:

    Southern Hoosier, just out of curiosity, what’s your opinion on interracial marriage?

    Opposed.

    Not exactly a Democratic Party plank, even in the South.

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  25. Southern Hoosier says:

    mantis says: Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 22:00
    Not exactly a Democratic Party plank, even in the South.

    It use to be, along with Jim Crow laws.

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  26. mantis says:

    It use to be, along with Jim Crow laws.

    Times change.

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  27. Southern Hoosier says:

    mantis says: Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 22:22
    It use to be, along with Jim Crow laws.

    Times change.

    True, but people’s attitudes don’t. But I guess most politicians are so wishy-washy they can believe in anything as long as it gets them elected.

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  28. mantis says:

    True, but people’s attitudes don’t.

    Actually, they do.

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  29. Southern Hoosier says:

    mantis says: Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 22:22
    It use to be, along with Jim Crow laws.

    Times change.

    Do they really? So why was Trent Lott ran out of office? Why did Fuzzy Zoeller lose his sponsors? Why were the Duke Lacrosse team lynched in the media, long after the were proven innocent? Why was Don Imus fired, no matter how he tried to apologize.

    Nothing worse than an unrepentant raciest trying to prove everyone in the world is racist except themselves.

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  30. michael reynolds says:

    Prior to 1964 the Democrats were indeed the defenders of Jim Crow.

    Then the Democrats switched sides. This despite the fact that LBJ knew and said that it would cost his party votes.

    In other words, the Democrats did the right thing, even though they knew it would hurt them politically.

    Then, along came Nixon with the “southern strategy” which was a play by the GOP to capture the racist vote. They did capture the racist vote and the once solid south became solid for the GOP.

    In other words, the Republicans knowingly did the wrong thing in order to profit politically.

    None of this is new or controversial, it is historical fact. Ask Joyner, he’s a political scientist.

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  31. anjin-san says:

    > Sen Byrd in his 2005 book Child of the Appalachian Coalfields. spoke fondly of his membership in the KKK.

    Umm. Sen Byrd is deceased. It’s 2011. But then, it is easy to understand why you don’t want to discuss the reality of what the GOP is in the year 2011.

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  32. Southern Hoosier says:

    anjin-san says: Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 23:54

    Umm. Sen Byrd is deceased. It’s 2011. But then, it is easy to understand why you don’t want to discuss the reality of what the GOP is in the year 2011.

    No, I really don’t want to discuss the reality of what the GOP is in the year 2011. The GOP is afraid to take on Obama for fear that someone might call them racist. The GOP would rather loose to the Democrats rather than see a Tea Party win

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  33. michael reynolds says:

    I’m curious as to the source of this supposed information about Robert Byrd’s 2005 book, since I was unable to turn up a review. Maybe somebody has a link?

    What I do find is this, from Wikipedia:

    In 1946 or 1947, Byrd wrote a letter to a Grand Wizard stating, “The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation.”[19] However, when running for the United States House of Representatives in 1952, he announced “After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization. During the nine years that have followed, I have never been interested in the Klan.” He said he had joined the Klan because he felt it offered excitement and was anti-communist.[9]

    In 1997, Byrd told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also: “Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don’t get that albatross around your neck. Once you’ve made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena.”[20] In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he “was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision —a jejune and immature outlook—seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions.”[21] Byrd also said, in 2005, “I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times … and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.”[9]
    [edit]

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  34. Tlaloc says:

    I’ve said it before and doubtless the south will give me reason to say it again-
    Lincoln was an idiot.

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  35. Trumwill says:

    A story that touches a bit on both Eddy’s comment (about mixed-race children) and the question of whether change is possible. My mother has always had some unfortunate views on race. When I was in high school and brought home a girl of Middle-Eastern descent, she pulled me into another room and asked why I hadn’t “warned” her. My first serious girlfriend had a name more commonly associated with blacks and so when I told Mom about her, you can guess what the first question out of her mouth.

    My brother went on to marry a girl of Pakistani descent. Race was a complete non-issue and the only time it really came up was when Mom said that she said hopefully that maybe her future grandchildren will get her gorgeous brown skin. She doesn’t like her daughter-in-law, but it has more to do with her Californian roots than her Pakistani heritage. And when I told her about the woman who became my wife (and who also, interestingly enough, has a name more commonly associated with blacks), I answered the question (“she’s white”) before she asked it, to which she seemed utterly confused as to why that was relevant.

    I really have no idea what changed. She uses some of the “old” terminology (though not the N-word), and every now and again there’s an offhand comment. But she’s gotten to the point where the cringe-inducing comments are more likely meant to be complimentary than rude (kind of Bidenesque, in a way). Ten or fifteen years ago, I never would have believed it.

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  36. M. Bouffant says:

    The GOP is afraid to take on Obama for fear that someone might call them racist. The GOP would rather loose to the Democrats rather than see a Tea Party win

    Yes, the GOP has been the most conciliatory party in all of human history for these last two yrs. Not one word has been said about the President that wasn’t respectful of the man & the office.

    I won’t even try to analyze the second sentence I quoted.

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  37. [...] Poll: 46% Of Missississippi Republicans Think Interracial Marriage Should Be Illegal (outsidethebeltway.com) [...]

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  38. G.A.Phillips says:

    There is only one race, sigh….

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  39. G.A.Phillips says:

    Lincoln was an idiot.

    ? then I guess this guy was too…

    Oration in Memory of Abraham Lincoln

    Frederick Douglass
    April 14, 1876
    Delivered at the Unveiling of The Freedmen’s Monument in Memory of Abraham Lincoln
    Lincoln Park, Washington, D.C.

    Friends and Fellow-Citizens:

    I warmly congratulate you upon the highly interesting object which has caused you to assemble in such numbers and spirit as you have today. This occasion is in some respects remarkable. Wise and thoughtful men of our race, who shall come after us, and study the lesson of our history in the United States; who shall survey the long and dreary spaces over which we have traveled; who shall count the links in the great chain of events by which we have reached our present position, will make a note of this occasion; they will think of it and speak of it with a sense of manly pride and complacency.

    I congratulate you, also, upon the very favorable circumstances in which we meet today. They are high, inspiring, and uncommon. They lend grace, glory, and significance to the object for which we have met. Nowhere else in this great country, with its uncounted towns and cities, unlimited wealth, and immeasurable territory extending from sea to sea, could conditions be found more favorable to the success of this occasion than here.

    We stand today at the national center to perform something like a national act–an act which is to go into history; and we are here where every pulsation of the national heart can be heard, felt, and reciprocated. A thousand wires, fed with thought and winged with lightning, put us in instantaneous communication with the loyal and true men all over the country.

    Few facts could better illustrate the vast and wonderful change which has taken place in our condition as a people than the fact of our assembling here for the purpose we have today. Harmless, beautiful, proper, and praiseworthy as this demonstration is, I cannot forget that no such demonstration would have been tolerated here twenty years ago. The spirit of slavery and barbarism, which still lingers to blight and destroy in some dark and distant parts of our country, would have made our assembling here the signal and excuse for opening upon us all the flood-gates of wrath and violence. That we are here in peace today is a compliment and a credit to American civilization, and a prophecy of still greater national enlightenment and progress in the future. I refer to the past not in malice, for this is no day for malice; but simply to place more distinctly in front the gratifying and glorious change which has come both to our white fellow-citizens and ourselves, and to congratulate all upon the contrast between now and then; the new dispensation of freedom with its thousand blessings to both races, and the old dispensation of slavery with its ten thousand evils to both races–white and black. In view, then, of the past, the present, and the future, with the long and dark history of our bondage behind us, and with liberty, progress, and enlightenment before us, I again congratulate you upon this auspicious day and hour.

    Friends and fellow-citizens, the story of our presence here is soon and easily told. We are here in the District of Columbia, here in the city of Washington, the most luminous point of American territory; a city recently transformed and made beautiful in its body and in its spirit; we are here in the place where the ablest and best men of the country are sent to devise the policy, enact the laws, and shape the destiny of the Republic; we are here, with the stately pillars and majestic dome of the Capitol of the nation looking down upon us; we are here, with the broad earth freshly adorned with the foliage and flowers of spring for our church, and all races, colors, and conditions of men for our congregation–in a word, we are here to express, as best we may, by appropriate forms and ceremonies, our grateful sense of the vast, high, and preeminent services rendered to ourselves, to our race, to our country, and to the whole world by Abraham Lincoln.

    The sentiment that brings us here today is one of the noblest that can stir and thrill the human heart. It has crowned and made glorious the high places of all civilized nations with the grandest and most enduring works of art, designed to illustrate the characters and perpetuate the memories of great public men. It is the sentiment which from year to year adorns with fragrant and beautiful flowers the graves of our loyal, brave, and patriotic soldiers who fell in defense of the Union and liberty. It is the sentiment of gratitude and appreciation, which often, in the presence of many who hear me, has filled yonder heights of Arlington with the eloquence of eulogy and the sublime enthusiasm of poetry and song; a sentiment which can never die while the Republic lives.

    For the first time in the history of our people, and in the history of the whole American people, we join in this high worship, and march conspicuously in the line of this time-honored custom. First things are always interesting, and this is one of our first things. It is the first time that, in this form and manner, we have sought to do honor to an American great man, however deserving and ilustrious. I commend the fact to notice; let it be told in every part of the Republic; let men of all parties and opinions hear it; let those who despise us, not less than those who respect us, know that now and here, in the spirit of liberty, loyalty, and gratitude, let it be known everywhere, and by everybody who takes an interest in human progress and in the amelioration of the condition of mankind, that, in the presence and with the approval of the members of the American House of Representatives, reflecting the general sentiment of the country; that in the presence of that august body, the American Senate, representing the highest intelligence and the calmest judgment of the country; in the presence of the Supreme Court and Chief-Justice of the United States, to whose decisions we all patriotically bow; in the presence and under the steady eye of the honored and trusted Cabinet, we, the colored people, newly emancipated and rejoicing in our blood-bought freedom, near the close of the first century in the life of this Republic, have now and here unveiled, set apart, and dedicated a figure of which the men of this generation may read, and those of after-coming generations may read, something of the exalted character and great works of Abraham Lincoln, the first martyr President of the United States.

    Fellow-citizens, in what we have said and done today, and in what we may say and do hereafter, we disclaim everything like arrogance and assumption. We claim for ourselves no superior devotion to the character, history, and memory of the illustrious name whose monument we have here dedicated today. We fully comprehend the relation of Abraham Lincoln both to ourselves and to the white people of the United States. Truth is proper and beautiful at all times and in all places, and it is never more proper and beautiful in any case than when speaking of a great public man whose example is likely to be commended for honor and imitation long after his departure to the solemn shades, the silent continents of eternity. It must be admitted, truth compels me to admit, even here in the presence of the monument we have erected to his memory, Abraham Lincoln was not, in the fullest sense of the word, either our man or our model. In his interests, in his associations, in his habits of thought, and in his prejudices, he was a white man.

    He was preeminently the white man’s President, entirely devoted to the welfare of white men. He was ready and willing at any time during the first years of his administration to deny, postpone, and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people to promote the welfare of the white people of this country. In all his education and feeling he was an American of the Americans. He came into the Presidential chair upon one principle alone, namely, opposition to the extension of slavery. His arguments in furtherance of this policy had their motive and mainspring in his patriotic devotion to the interests of his own race. To protect, defend, and perpetuate slavery in the states where it existed Abraham Lincoln was not less ready than any other President to draw the sword of the nation. He was ready to execute all the supposed guarantees of the United States Constitution in favor of the slave system anywhere inside the slave states. He was willing to pursue, recapture, and send back the fugitive slave to his master, and to suppress a slave rising for liberty, though his guilty master were already in arms against the Government. The race to which we belong were not the special objects of his consideration. Knowing this, I concede to you, my white fellow-citizens, a pre-eminence in this worship at once full and supreme. First, midst, and last, you and yours were the objects of his deepest affection and his most earnest solicitude. You are the children of Abraham Lincoln. We are at best only his step-children; children by adoption, children by forces of circumstances and necessity. To you it especially belongs to sound his praises, to preserve and perpetuate his memory, to multiply his statues, to hang his pictures high upon your walls, and commend his example, for to you he was a great and glorious friend and benefactor. Instead of supplanting you at his altar, we would exhort you to build high his monuments; let them be of the most costly material, of the most cunning workmanship; let their forms be symmetrical, beautiful, and perfect, let their bases be upon solid rocks, and their summits lean against the unchanging blue, overhanging sky, and let them endure forever! But while in the abundance of your wealth, and in the fullness of your just and patriotic devotion, you do all this, we entreat you to despise not the humble offering we this day unveil to view; for while Abraham Lincoln saved for you a country, he delivered us from a bondage, according to Jefferson, one hour of which was worse than ages of the oppression your fathers rose in rebellion to oppose.

    Fellow-citizens, ours is no new-born zeal and devotion–merely a thing of this moment. The name of Abraham Lincoln was near and dear to our hearts in the darkest and most perilous hours of the Republic. We were no more ashamed of him when shrouded in clouds of darkness, of doubt, and defeat than when we saw him crowned with victory, honor, and glory. Our faith in him was often taxed and strained to the uttermost, but it never failed. When he tarried long in the mountain; when he strangely told us that we were the cause of the war; when he still more strangely told us that we were to leave the land in which we were born; when he refused to employ our arms in defense of the Union; when, after accepting our services as colored soldiers, he refused to retaliate our murder and torture as colored prisoners; when he told us he would save the Union if he could with slavery; when he revoked the Proclamation of Emancipation of General Fremont; when he refused to remove the popular commander of the Army of the Potomac, in the days of its inaction and defeat, who was more zealous in his efforts to protect slavery than to suppress rebellion; when we saw all this, and more, we were at times grieved, stunned, and greatly bewildered; but our hearts believed while they ached and bled. Nor was this, even at that time, a blind and unreasoning superstition. Despite the mist and haze that surrounded him; despite the tumult, the hurry, and confusion of the hour, we were able to take a comprehensive view of Abraham Lincoln, and to make reasonable allowance for the circumstances of his position. We saw him, measured him, and estimated him; not by stray utterances to injudicious and tedious delegations, who often tried his patience; not by isolated facts torn from their connection; not by any partial and imperfect glimpses, caught at inopportune moments; but by a broad survey, in the light of the stern logic of great events, and in view of that divinity which shapes our ends, rough hew them how we will, we came to the conclusion that the hour and the man of our redemption had somehow met in the person of Abraham Lincoln. It mattered little to us what language he might employ on special occasions; it mattered little to us, when we fully knew him, whether he was swift or slow in his movements; it was enough for us that Abraham Lincoln was at the head of a great movement, and was in living and earnest sympathy with that movement, which, in the nature of things, must go on until slavery should be utterly and forever abolished in the United States.

    When, therefore, it shall be asked what we have to do with the memory of Abraham Lincoln, or what Abraham Lincoln had to do with us, the answer is ready, full, and complete. Though he loved Caesar less than Rome, though the Union was more to him than our freedom or our future, under his wise and beneficent rule we saw ourselves gradually lifted from the depths of slavery to the heights of liberty and manhood; under his wise and beneficent rule, and by measures approved and vigorously pressed by him, we saw that the handwriting of ages, in the form of prejudice and proscription, was rapidly fading away from the face of our whole country; under his rule, and in due time, about as soon after all as the country could tolerate the strange spectacle, we saw our brave sons and brothers laying off the rags of bondage, and being clothed all over in the blue uniforms of the soldiers of the United States; under his rule we saw two hundred thousand of our dark and dusky people responding to the call of Abraham Lincoln, and with muskets on their shoulders, and eagles on their buttons, timing their high footsteps to liberty and union under the national flag; under his rule we saw the independence of the black republic of Haiti, the special object of slave-holding aversion and horror, fully recognized, and her minister, a colored gentleman, duly received here in the city of Washington; under his rule we saw the internal slave-trade, which so long disgraced the nation, abolished, and slavery abolished in the District of Columbia; under his rule we saw for the first time the law enforced against the foreign slave trade, and the first slave-trader hanged like any other pirate or murderer; under his rule, assisted by the greatest captain of our age, and his inspiration, we saw the Confederate States, based upon the idea that our race must be slaves, and slaves forever, battered to pieces and scattered to the four winds; under his rule, and in the fullness of time, we saw Abraham Lincoln, after giving the slave-holders three months’ grace in which to save their hateful slave system, penning the immortal paper, which, though special in its language, was general in its principles and effect, making slavery forever impossible in the United States. Though we waited long, we saw all this and more.

    Can any colored man, or any white man friendly to the freedom of all men, ever forget the night which followed the first day of January, 1863, when the world was to see if Abraham Lincoln would prove to be as good as his word? I shall never forget that memorable night, when in a distant city I waited and watched at a public meeting, with three thousand others not less anxious than myself, for the word of deliverance which we have heard read today. Nor shall I ever forget the outburst of joy and thanksgiving that rent the air when the lightning brought to us the emancipation proclamation. In that happy hour we forgot all delay, and forgot all tardiness, forgot that the President had bribed the rebels to lay down their arms by a promise to withhold the bolt which would smite the slave-system with destruction; and we were thenceforward willing to allow the President all the latitude of time, phraseology, and every honorable device that statesmanship might require for the achievement of a great and beneficent measure of liberty and progress.

    Fellow-citizens, there is little necessity on this occasion to speak at length and critically of this great and good man, and of his high mission in the world. That ground has been fully occupied and completely covered both here and elsewhere. The whole field of fact and fancy has been gleaned and garnered. Any man can say things that are true of Abraham Lincoln, but no man can say anything that is new of Abraham Lincoln. His personal traits and public acts are better known to the American people than are those of any other man of his age. He was a mystery to no man who saw him and heard him. Though high in position, the humblest could approach him and feel at home in his presence. Though deep, he was transparent; though strong, he was gentle; though decided and pronounce in his convictions, he was tolerant towards those who differed from him, and patient under reproaches. Even those who only knew him through his public utterance obtained a tolerably clear idea of his character and personality. The image of the man went out with his words, and those who read them knew him.

    I have said that President Lincoln was a white man, and shared the prejudices common to his countrymen towards the colored race. Looking back to his times and to the condition of his country, we are compelled to admit that this unfriendly feeling on his part may be safely set down as one element of his wonderful success in organizing the loyal American people for the tremendous conflict before them, and bringing them safely through that conflict. His great mission was to accomplish two things: first, to save his country from dismemberment and ruin; and, second, to free his country from the great crime of slavery. To do one or the other, or both, he must have the earnest sympathy and the powerful cooperation of his loyal fellow-countrymen. Without this primary and essential condition to success his efforts must have been vain and utterly fruitless. Had he put the abolition of slavery before the salvation of the Union, he would have inevitably driven from him a powerful class of the American people and rendered resistance to rebellion impossible. Viewed from the genuine abolition ground, Mr. Lincoln seemed tardy, cold, dull, and indifferent; but measuring him by the sentiment of his country, a sentiment he was bound as a statesman to consult, he was swift, zealous, radical, and determined.

    Though Mr. Lincoln shared the prejudices of his white fellow-countrymen against the Negro, it is hardly necessary to say that in his heart of hearts he loathed and hated slavery. The man who could say, “Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war shall soon pass away, yet if God wills it continue till all the wealth piled by two hundred years of bondage shall have been wasted, and each drop of blood drawn by the lash shall have been paid for by one drawn by the sword, the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether,” gives all needed proof of his feeling on the subject of slavery. He was willing, while the South was loyal, that it should have its pound of flesh, because he thought that it was so nominated in the bond; but farther than this no earthly power could make him go.

    Fellow-citizens, whatever else in this world may be partial, unjust, and uncertain, time, time! is impartial, just, and certain in its action. In the realm of mind, as well as in the realm of matter, it is a great worker, and often works wonders. The honest and comprehensive statesman, clearly discerning the needs of his country, and earnestly endeavoring to do his whole duty, though covered and blistered with reproaches, may safely leave his course to the silent judgment of time. Few great public men have ever been the victims of fiercer denunciation than Abraham Lincoln was during his administration. He was often wounded in the house of his friends. Reproaches came thick and fast upon him from within and from without, and from opposite quarters. He was assailed by Abolitionists; he was assailed by slave-holders; he was assailed by the men who were for peace at any price; he was assailed by those who were for a more vigorous prosecution of the war; he was assailed for not making the war an abolition war; and he was bitterly assailed for making the war an abolition war.

    But now behold the change: the judgment of the present hour is, that taking him for all in all, measuring the tremendous magnitude of the work before him, considering the necessary means to ends, and surveying the end from the beginning, infinite wisdom has seldom sent any man into the world better fitted for his mission than Abraham Lincoln. His birth, his training, and his natural endowments, both mental and physical, were strongly in his favor. Born and reared among the lowly, a stranger to wealth and luxury, compelled to grapple single-handed with the flintiest hardships of life, from tender youth to sturdy manhood, he grew strong in the manly and heroic qualities demanded by the great mission to which he was called by the votes of his countrymen. The hard condition of his early life, which would have depressed and broken down weaker men, only gave greater life, vigor, and buoyancy to the heroic spirit of Abraham Lincoln. He was ready for any kind and any quality of work. What other young men dreaded in the shape of toil, he took hold of with the utmost cheerfulness.

    “A spade, a rake, a hoe,
    A pick-axe, or a bill;
    A hook to reap, a scythe to mow,
    A flail, or what you will.”
    All day long he could split heavy rails in the woods, and half the night long he could study his English Grammar by the uncertain flare and glare of the light made by a pine-knot. He was at home in the land with his axe, with his maul, with gluts, and his wedges; and he was equally at home on water, with his oars, with his poles, with his planks, and with his boat-hooks. And whether in his flat-boat on the Mississippi River, or at the fireside of his frontier cabin, he was a man of work. A son of toil himself, he was linked in brotherly sympathy with the sons of toil in every loyal part of the Republic. This very fact gave him tremendous power with the American people, and materially contributed not only to selecting him to the Presidency, but in sustaining his administration of the Government.

    Upon his inauguration as President of the United States, an office, even when assumed under the most favorable condition, fitted to tax and strain the largest abilities, Abraham Lincoln was met by a tremendous crisis. He was called upon not merely to administer the Government, but to decide, in the face of terrible odds, the fate of the Republic.

    A formidable rebellion rose in his path before him; the Union was already practically dissolved; his country was torn and rent asunder at the center. Hostile armies were already organized against the Republic, armed with the munitions of war which the Republic had provided for its own defense. The tremendous question for him to decide was whether his country should survive the crisis and flourish, or be dismembered and perish. His predecessor in office had already decided the question in favor of national dismemberment, by denying to it the right of self-defense and self-preservation–a right which belongs to the meanest insect.

    Happily for the country, happily for you and for me, the judgment of James Buchanan, the patrician, was not the judgment of Abraham Lincoln, the plebeian. He brought his strong common sense, sharpened in the school of adversity, to bear upon the question. He did not hesitate, he did not doubt, he did not falter; but at once resolved that at whatever peril, at whatever cost, the union of the States should be preserved. A patriot himself, his faith was strong and unwavering in the patriotism of his countrymen. Timid men said before Mr. Lincoln’s inauguration, that we have seen the last President of the United States. A voice in influential quarters said, “Let the Union slide.’’ Some said that a Union maintained by the sword was worthless. Others said a rebellion of 8,000,000 cannot be suppressed; but in the midst of all this tumult and timidity, and against all this, Abraham Lincoln was clear in his duty, and had an oath in heaven. He calmly and bravely heard the voice of doubt and fear all around him; but he had an oath in heaven, and there was not power enough on earth to make this honest boatman, backwoodsman, and broad-handed splitter of rails evade or violate that sacred oath. He had not been schooled in the ethics of slavery; his plain life had favored his love of truth. He had not been taught that treason and perjury were the proof of honor and honesty. His moral training was against his saying one thing when he meant another. The trust that Abraham Lincoln had in himself and in the people was surprising and grand, but it was also enlightened and well founded. He knew the American people better than they knew themselves, and his truth was based upon this knowledge.

    Fellow-citizens, the fourteenth day of April, 1865, of which this is the eleventh anniversary, is now and will ever remain a memorable day in the annals of this Republic. It was on the evening of this day, while a fierce and sanguinary rebellion was in the last stages of its desolating power; while its armies were broken and scattered before the invincible armies of Grant and Sherman; while a great nation, torn and rent by war, was already beginning to raise to the skies loud anthems of joy at the dawn of peace, it was startled, amazed, and overwhelmed by the crowning crime of slavery–the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. It was a new crime, a pure act of malice. No purpose of the rebellion was to be served by it. It was the simple gratification of a hell-black spirit of revenge. But it has done good after all. It has filled the country with a deeper abhorrence of slavery and a deeper love for the great liberator.

    Had Abraham Lincoln died from any of the numerous ills to which flesh is heir; had he reached that good old age of which his vigorous constitution and his temperate habits gave promise; had he been permitted to see the end of his great work; had the solemn curtain of death come down but gradually–we should still have been smitten with a heavy grief, and treasured his name lovingly. But dying as he did die, by the red hand of violence, killed, assassinated, taken off without warning, not because of personal hate–for no man who knew Abraham Lincoln could hate him–but because of his fidelity to union and liberty, he is doubly dear to us, and his memory will be precious forever.

    Fellow-citizens, I end, as I began, with congratulations. We have done a good work for our race today. In doing honor to the memory of our friend and liberator, we have been doing highest honors to ourselves and those who come after us; we have been fastening ourselves to a name and fame imperishable and immortal; we have also been defending ourselves from a blighting scandal. When now it shall be said that the colored man is soulless, that he has no appreciation of benefits or benefactors; when the foul reproach of ingratitude is hurled at us, and it is attempted to scourge us beyond the range of human brotherhood, we may calmly point to the monument we have this day erected to the memory of Abraham Lincoln.

    URL: http://www.TeachingAmericanHistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=39

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  40. G.A.Phillips says:

    Yo Harry, and the rest of you Limbcoms, deal with it http://maafa21.com/ till you do say nothing ever again the like of racist or for the children, for THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!

    That goes for all of you of the atheist/evolutionist/progressive/pragmatic religion also. Sick of it….

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  41. Jeremy R says:

    PPP actual got an e-mail from one of the poll’s respondents explaining themselves:
    http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/04/argument-against-interracial-marriage.html

    Something about dissing god’s plan I guess.

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  42. Southern Hoosier says:

    M. Bouffant says: Friday, April 8, 2011 at 01:11

    Yes, the GOP has been the most conciliatory party in all of human history for these last two yrs. Not one word has been said about the President that wasn’t respectful of the man & the office.

    I believe that most of the attacks on Comrade Obama started after the 2011 election, when the Tea Party came to power. The freshmen congress have to fight both the Republican leadership and the Democrats.

    Sen McCain practically campaigned for Obama in 2008 and fired one staffer that actually wanted to win the election.

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  43. jpe says:

    Check out the crosstabs: the two age demographics that think it should be illegal are “over than 65″ (no surprise) and “18-29.”

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  44. jwest says:

    Jpe makes a good point. If you want to skew the poll to make people look more racist, go with an older demographic. You do this by timing your survey calls so that you’re more likely to catch retirees at home.

    The other tricks are to frame the question so that the racist answer is the affirmative response. Not “Do you think interracial marriage should be legal?” but “Do you think interracial marriage should be illegal?”

    Next, which might be the most important, is the set up. Before a question like this, the survey taker will read something like:

    “The Center for Interracial Studies reports that children from mixed marriages are 12 times more likely to live in poverty, 15 times more likely to abused and 50 times more likely to be convicted of a violent crime as an adult.” “Do you think interracial marriage should be illegal?”

    Why do pollsters do deceptive things like this?

    To fool naïve people.

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  45. Kylopod says:

    “I believe God made us a different color for a reason and should be honored by not marrying outside of the race that God picked for me, however the color of one’s skin does not make him/her better than another color.”

    That’s right. John Boehner isn’t better or worse than anyone else, but he’s violating God’s Law by being married to a non-orange woman.

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  46. Alanmt says:

    According to a PPP pollster in teh commetn section, PPP did ask the same question of mIssissippi democrats. The results will be released shortly.

    You apologists are embarrassing, but not as embarrassing as the actual poll respondents. What a sad day to be from Mississippi and to be Republican. Fortunately, i am not the first, and am no longer the second. nevertheless, as an American, it saddens and sickens me to learn that such wrong-headed bigotry is still entrenched among such a sizable portion of our population.

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  47. john personna says:

    Welll michael reynolds, I will apologize to you. Don’t get me wrong, I was more on your side than in opposition, but I really thought you were over the top.

    I was wrong. You were right, on this one.

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  48. PJ says:

    @jwest:
    Legal vs Illegal isn’t framing the question.
    If they timed the question then they will get a lot of old democrats too.
    And then you claim that the survey taker used a setup, any proof for that? On the other hand, the setup says a lot about you…

    Why do pollsters do commenters write deceptive things like this?

    To fool naïve people.

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  49. Jay Tea says:

    Three postings in a row from Doug, all saying “here’s a poll that says bad things about Republicans!”

    Nope, no theme here. No agenda here. Just a wild coincidence, I’m sure.

    J.

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  50. john personna says:

    Perhaps Doug is posting from a “crisis in conscience.”

    I’d suggest the same crisis for you Jay, rather than say that it’s a “wild coincidence” that these results exist.

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  51. Jay Tea says:

    That, john, would mean that I give polls the slightest bit of weight or interest whatsoever. I have spent literally years ignoring them, and ain’t about to start now.

    J.

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  52. rodney dill says:

    From the poll I guess there’s no way to tell how much higher a percentage of Mississippi democrats think interracial marriage should be illegal.

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  53. michael reynolds says:

    JP:

    Not to worry, I’ll be over the top on something else.

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  54. john personna says:

    @Jay – “I have spent literally years ignoring them”

    … don’t you think that reinforces stereotypes?

    You know, Repubs as believers in a consensual, rather than objective, reality?

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  55. michael reynolds says:

    I love the fact that rather than deal with the truth the GOP apologists are concocting conspiracy theories.

    It’s the fault of whoever took the poll. And if not then it’s Doug’s fault for posting it.

    Riiiiight.

    Just so long as no Republican ever takes an honest look at himself and his party.

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  56. john personna says:

    I suspect Rodney that a good slug of Mississippi Dems _are_ interracial.

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  57. [...] both at RedState and UnlikelyVoter. However seeing this new push poll by Public Policy Polling and the shamefully credulous response by Doug Mataconis at Outside the Beltway, I don’t want to hold back. I want to tell it like it is, and why unless some very good [...]

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  58. anjin-san says:

    The GOP is afraid to take on Obama for fear that someone might call them racist.

    I guess that explains why the GOP is about to shut down the government.

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  59. jwest says:

    In reviewing an article at “Political Headlines”, I must take exception to some of the things said about Doug Mataconis. For example:

    “Doug Mataconis has long been a bitter, mean-spirited troll of all good and decent reformers within the GOP, and his deranged hatred for conservatives has diminished his mental faculties to the point that he’ll believe any lie that comes down, as long as it’s nasty about conservatives. But, what do we expect from a guy whose personal web page has become an obsessive shrine to Ron and Rand Paul?”

    This is obviously over the top. Reasonable readers will agree that the last sentence should be toned down to read that Doug’s personal website has become mostly an obsessive shrine to Ron and Rand Paul.

    Also, the author of this article ends with this rather testy paragraph:

    “And when someone who claims to be a Republican unquestioningly repeats the results of this poll, which has the above obvious problems with it, and starts trying to lecture “these people” without even allowing for the possibility that the poll is biased, that person has to have his intelligence questioned. Only a complete fool believes everything he reads. Doug Mataconis is apparently that fool.”

    Once again without knowing all the facts, this author places the blame on Doug’s intelligence and says that he apparently is a fool. Assumptions such as this are probably based more in anger than in logic. A more tempered statement would allow for the possibility that Doug is intelligent, but simply lacks integrity.

    I don’t normally stick up for Doug like this, but to maintain a position as a Fair and Balanced commenter, I thought it was my duty to set the record straight.

    Doug, you’re welcome.

    http://www.politicalheadlines.info/of-a-certain-mississippi-poll-on-marriage-and-of-those-who-make-hay-of-it

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  60. PJ says:

    @rodney dill:

    From the poll I guess there’s no way to tell how much higher a percentage of Mississippi democrats think interracial marriage should be illegal.

    There sure is, since, as already pointed out by Alanmt, they are going to release results for Mississippi Democrats too.

    From the PP blog:

    BTW, we did ask this interracial marriage question of everyone, not just Republicans, but we’ll be releasing the full results on that at a later date.

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  61. rodney dill says:

    they are going to release results for Mississippi Democrats too.

    @PJ, which confirms there is no way to tell…. at this point in time.

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  62. Kylopod says:

    You know who also violated God’s Law? Moses.

    “Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite [Ethiopian] woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman.” (Numbers 12:1) God then punishes Miriam by making her “leprous like snow.”

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  63. PJ says:

    @rodney dill:

    @PJ, which confirms there is no way to tell…. at this point in time.

    Considering that the release was about republican voters in Mississippi, that’s a given. But that’s not what you asked in the previous comment. Unless you think there would be bits about Democrats in a release about Republicans…

    Democrats were asked too. And their responses are going to be released too.

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  64. PJ says:

    @Kylopod :

    You know who also violated God’s Law? Moses.

    How about the state of Mississippi? (Or at least the The Department of Marine Resources.)

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  65. rodney dill says:

    @PJ, Which again confirms what I said.

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  66. john personna says:

    rodney, do you find “appeals to missing data” compelling? Seriously?

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  67. Trumwill says:

    The other tricks are to frame the question so that the racist answer is the affirmative response. Not “Do you think interracial marriage should be legal?” but “Do you think interracial marriage should be illegal?”

    We already told you what the question was. Twice. It wasn’t a yes/no question. The answers were legal, illegal, and don’t know.

    It’s in the report.

    So is the breakdown of respondents. 38% or more of every single age group said “illegal”.

    If you’re going to be an expert on polling, the least you could do is read the damn report.

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  68. Kylopod says:

    >How about the state of Mississippi? (Or at least the The Department of Marine Resources.)

    No! The prohibition on eating shellfish actually appears in the Bible, and therefore cannot be considered God’s Law. Only something that doesn’t appear in the Bible–such as a prohibition on marriages between races–can be considered God’s Law. Capisce?

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  69. rodney dill says:

    I only made one comment on it, the other two were to defend the correctness of my comment. I only made the initial comment to point out the missing side of the information. I actually expect the Democrat percentage against interracial marriage to be lower, I just reversed my statement to highlight that we don’t know that number at this point in time.

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  70. PJ says:

    @rodney dill:

    @PJ, Which again confirms what I said.

    PPP has obviously polled voters in Mississippi. If they did it in one poll, and then chose to release the republican results first, then it won’t confirm what you said, which was this:

    From the poll I guess there’s no way to tell how much higher a percentage of Mississippi democrats think interracial marriage should be illegal.

    Since that would be false.

    If they did two separate polls, then it’s obvious that the republican only poll would never have bits about the democrats. But if that’s the only thing you have left to debate on the subject, then you’ve lost. Badly.

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  71. rodney dill says:

    @PJ, Since you obviously know the results then what are they? If not then there is no way to know them.

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  72. rodney dill says:

    @PJ, I can’t lose, as I haven’t even take on side on what the results mean. I just highlighted one flaw in looking at only partial information.

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  73. wr says:

    jwest — Wow, that link is really persuasive. For instance, it informs us that a polling outfit that had nothing to do with this poll fudged some date a couple of years back. Pretty damning stuff there. Then it spends several thousands of words whining about how mean it is to ask this question and allow the people to reveal what hateful bigots they are.

    You really showed us. Almost as much as Southern Hoosier, who appeared here to whine about the poll, and then admitted that he or she is opposed to interracial marriage.

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  74. jwest says:

    Trumwill,

    Sometimes in the face of pressing deadlines and the need to get critical information out to the public in a timely fashion, certain details are overlooked.

    I’ve turned this matter over to the jwest ombudsman for review and expect that if a correction is warranted, it will appear on page D-68 within a few months.

    Thank you for your continued readership.

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  75. john personna says:

    I think PJ, that the best response to Rodney would have been just to quickly say “yeah, and the Dem numbers might be really low.” That suspends it until such time as data appears.

    And of course the word “might” isn’t “should” or “probably will” or anything like that.

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  76. Scott says:

    jwest’s link did provide some interesting information that I was entirely unaware of, namely “President Obama’s current leading opponent, Randall Terry,”. I guess I’ve fallen into that epistemic closure trap.

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  77. [...] by Mark Thompson on April 8, 2011 According to a recent poll by left-leaning Public Policy Polling, they do. Several liberal sites have not surprisingly jumped on this finding, as did Doug Mataconis at Outside the Beltway. [...]

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  78. mantis says:

    No, I really don’t want to discuss the reality of what the GOP is in the year 2011.

    Yeah, we know. We know.

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  79. Anonymous says:

    Numbers 12:1 – 12:13

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  80. Paul says:

    First you say that nationwide the country is split evenly on same sex marriages.
    Then you compare nationwide finding to just one states finding from your poll of “46% of these hardcore Republican” (The poll was taken not just of Republican but only the hard core ones).
    Two question begged to be answered. !. How was the split in the state between hardcore Republican and conservative Democrats. 2. How do u look at yourself in the mirror knowing you on fairly put a black mark on a state that is part of the United States. Does it feel good or get you rich distorting the truth.
    If you compare things you compare them. Your words make no sense at all.

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  81. leroy says:

    I might just start voting republican.

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  82. dum dum says:

    Both Democrats(TM) and Republicans(TM) are woefully unaware of the hidden hand. That fact that either of you support any side, and are so entangled in this ‘rah-rah’ debate, just shows how far gone this country is.

    Is interracial marriage a travesty which needs to be eliminated? Yes.

    Are democrats retarded? Yes.

    Are republicans retarded? Yes.

    The fact that any one of you are supporting any government and giving any one party any legitimacy, whatsoever, is the scariest thing of all.

    Politicians and newsmedia are the same thing….they aren’t human.

    Is another civil war the only way out of this mess? Probably, given the way our nations are going down the drain, given the way you idiots continue to go back and forth without a clue of what’s really happening, given the way our beloved politicians continue to screw us up the aXX,. I’m so sick of hearing the BS on both sides. This isn’t working.

    You guys all need a timeout and a “re-education.”

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