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Shame On You, Bill Press

Bill Press According to Bill Press, letting Glenn Beck speak at Lincoln Memorial is just like letting Al-Qaeda speak at the World Trade Center:

[T]he National Park Service has given Glenn Beck permission to hold a Tea Party rally on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on August 28 –- 47 years to the day after Martin Luther King gave his magnificent “I Have A Dream” speech.

If you ask me, that’s like granting al Qaeda permission to hold a rally on September 11 – at Ground Zero.

What the hell were those bureaucrats at the Park Service thinking? [Emphasis added.]

Perhaps they were thinking that longstanding Supreme Court precedent requires strict content neutrality in issuing permits for use of public spaces (see, eg., Ward v. Rock against Racism). I assume Press is familiar with this concept. He just doesn’t think it applies to people with whom he disagrees.

I don’t much care for listening to Glenn Beck, either. But he has the same rights as every other citizen. Press can assert all he wants that his call to suppress Beck’s rights “has nothing to do with freedom of speech,” but that’s transparent hokum. Anyone who owes their living to our free speech traditions should be ashamed of himself for even suggesting that another’s freedom to speak be curtailed because he doesn’t like what the speaker says.

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Comments

  1. steve says:

    Agreed. So you would also let Muslims speak at the WTC site?

    Steve

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  2. Dodd says:

    Is the “Yes” answer to that question not obvious?

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  3. Zelsdorf Ragshaft III says:

    If you do not listen to Beck or watch his show, you are aware of what truth is. If you can find one lie Beck has put forth on his program list it. Steve are you equating Becks patriotism with the hate speech of Muslims? What grade are you in?

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  4. Michael says:

    Holding a small-government rally outside the Lincoln memorial? Really?

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  5. Dodd says:

    Holding a small-government rally outside the Lincoln memorial? Really?

    #ohFFS

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  6. The problem isn’t Glenn Beck’s facts, but his interpretation of what those facts mean. He’s basically just Agliè in a real life version of Foccault’s Pendulum

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  7. Neil Hudelson says:

    “If you do not listen to Beck or watch his show, you are aware of what truth is.”

    While I’m sure this is just another example of Zels’s lack of comprehension of the english language, but truer words have never been spoken by him.

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  8. steve says:

    “Steve are you equating Becks patriotism with the hate speech of Muslims?”

    Nope, just wanted clarification. I prefer fairly explicit answers. Attorneys have been known to say things like “I never actually said that.” Is Beck a patriot? Hard to judge someone else’s motives. He does make a lot of money, that much I know, otherwise I cannot tell what he has done to serve his country. If publicly proclaiming one’s political beliefs makes one a patriot, tis a low bar. Maybe that is a good thing.

    Steve

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  9. Michael Reynolds says:

    Beck’s a nut who preaches to creeps.

    But he has a right to speak. The Park Service presumably has some guidelines, and so long as Beck’s group meets the standard guidelines, he has the right to be tasteless.

    First time ever: I agree with Dodd.

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  10. Neil Hudelson says:

    You know, this reminds me actually of Beck’ statements after McCain said the times square suspect should not be mirandized. It doesn’t matter if you find the law/constitutional amendment unsavory towards a specific person, its still the law.

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  11. Dave Schuler says:

    First time ever: I agree with Dodd.

    A sign of the Apocalypse.

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  12. floyd says:

    I guess Old Bill hasn’t heard the phone ring lately, due to his ongoing condition of confusion,so that just gives us a couple more reasons to forgive this slip of judgment.
    He’s really much better when he’s sober.
    Somebody should get him another gig as a foil on some obscure cable talk show so he won’t have to embarrass himself with such a display of jealousy.
    Hey… I’ll bet Beck would be glad to have him as a guest on his show sometime when there’s a cancellation. [just out of pity if nothing else]

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  13. anjin-san says:

    Beck clearly has the right to speak if the park service has granted a permit.

    Is he a patriot? Dunno, never met the guy. He is an entertainer. I don’t think he really believes what he says on his show. He is clearly playing to people who range from ignorant to downright unstable, which is reprehensible. Does not change the fact that he enjoys free speech rights.

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  14. Juneau: says:

    Beck’s a nut who preaches to creeps.

    And they’re quickly creeping up on controlling the House and Senate. Doesn’t that just give you nightmares? Just think, hundreds of little Beckbots, voting on issues you hold near and dear. They’re coming to get you. Maybe even videos of children chanting their admiration of Beck, all dressed in similar clothing, swinging their arms in unison. Nah – that would just be…. creepy, wouldn’t it?

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  15. Juneau: says:

    Agreed. So you would also let Muslims speak at the WTC site?

    As long as protesters have the equal right to heckle and yell at them, yeah. But everyone knows that wouldn’t be allowed. We have to be sensitive to their religious status. We might make them mad at us.

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  16. Juneau: says:

    He is clearly playing to people who range from ignorant to downright unstable, which is reprehensible

    Serious question, anjin. Who do you get your information from? From which erudite sources of hard news do you glean the “true” facts of daily events?

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  17. anjin-san says:

    The Economist, Wall St. Journal & Business Week are my main reads. Also US News & World Report and The Christian Science Monitor. And my local San Francisco Chronicle.

    Blogs – OTB, Political Wire & Talking Points Memo

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  18. Franklin says:

    The only real debate in these situations is who has to pay for security. I’m sure there’s been some precedent for whether the KKK has to pay for the police to protect them during demonstrations, for example.

    In any case, I doubt Beck would draw as many protesters as Al Qaeda would.

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  19. Jack Bauer says:

    anjin-san says:
    Saturday, June 26, 2010 at 20:47

    Give us some examples of Beck’s “ignorance.”

    And I don’t mean that you disagree with his contemporary political views. The fact that someone disagrees with you does not make them “ignorant,” nor you well-informed

    In fact, in your case, I suspect that gives them a head start in the brainiac stakes.

    I’m not a particular fan of Beck’s personal “style”… but…

    A great deal of what Beck “says” on his show is devoted to examining the writings of the founding fathers, political theorists, and philosophers, such as Locke, Rousseau, Burke, Voltaire.

    I realize this is “heavy” stuff for a person of your calibre. Imagine that: spending a whole show talking about what some dead white guy wrote 250 years ago. (How declasse.)

    Lost is probably more your metier. It has lots of sex, violence, action AND characters like Locke. Rousseau, Bentham,et al.

    But it does sound as if you’re the one wallowing in ignorance.

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  20. G.A.Phillips says:

    Beck’s a nut who preaches to millions and millions and millions of creeps. And sells his crap load of number one best sellers to millions and millions and millions of creeps, and gets those millions and millions and millions of creeps to buy the books of other nuts, whose books, after the nut Beck mentions them, turn into best sellers…….

    I fixed that for you Harry:)

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  21. G.A.Phillips says:

    ****Is he a patriot? Dunno, never met the guy. He is an entertainer. I don’t think he really believes what he says on his show. He is clearly playing to people who range from ignorant to downright unstable, which is reprehensible. Does not change the fact that he enjoys free speech rights.****Dude why?

    Anjin I dare you to watch Founding Fridays, only cause I know your indoctrination could not handle a regular show.

    Man you should Have seen last weeks, your eyse will be opened, or, maybe not……….

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  22. Jack Bauer says:

    Stormy Dragon says:
    Saturday, June 26, 2010 at 17:38
    The problem isn’t Glenn Beck’s facts, but his interpretation of what those facts mean.

    Give an example that we can discuss.

    Maybe we’ll diagree with “your” interpretation. Maybe you’re the nut. Who knows.

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  23. Jack Bauer says:

    “The problem isn’t President Obama’s facts, but his interpretation of what those facts mean.”

    For instance, the fact that a deep-water oil rig had an accident should not be interpreted to mean that the PresiDent should CLOSE DOWN ALL DEEP-WATER OIL RIGS FOR 6 MOTHS MINIMUM CONTRARY TO ESTABLISHED LAW.

    The fact that the bloated TRILLION DOLLAR “stimulus” package has stimulated bugger all except massive government growth should not be interpreted by the PRESDIENT….

    to mean the solution is to ADD ANOTHER half trillion to the deficit.

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  24. Jack Bauer says:

    G.A.Phillips says:
    Sunday, June 27, 2010 at 07:51

    You’re wasting your time. Unfortunately.

    This is how this works.

    LEFTIST NUT: Beck’s a fool, blah, ignornat blah.., lowest common denominator… tabloid…

    CONSERVATIVE: But he spends most of his shows talking about serious issues with reference to writings of the founding fathers, political theorists, and philosophers, such as Locke, Rousseau, Burke, Voltaire. Name me one MSNBC host who does that?

    LEFTIST NUT: Yeah okay, maybe he does… BUT it’s his interpretation of what those facts that’s the big problem. He doesn’t interpret them correctly. And that’s dangerous because only certain people get to interpret facts correctly. Only people who understand the magnificent fruits of government control for the sake of the people.

    CONSERVATIVES; So basically what you are saying is that KNOWLEDGE is power, and that only certain people get to give out that knowledge because in the wrong hands certain other p[eople might interpret that knowledge incorrectly…

    LEFTIST NUT: EFF YOU. YOU SUCK JUST LIKE BECK, FOX, O’REILLY, BUSH, HALLIBURTON, BLACKWATER…

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  25. Michael says:

    A great deal of what Beck “says” on his show is devoted to examining the writings of the founding fathers, political theorists, and philosophers, such as Locke, Rousseau, Burke, Voltaire.

    Have you actually ready anything written by these authors, or do you just believe that Beck tells you about them?

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  26. G.A.Phillips says:

    ***Have you actually ready anything written by these authors, or do you just believe that Beck tells you about them?*** I have, and way before Beck ever mentioned them, But I am working on George Washington’s Sacred Fire at the moment, http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/4980

    And am hoping to get more of David Barton’s books, even that I have I have been following wall builders for years….

    http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=david+barton+books&tag=googhydr-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=3410329827&ref=pd_sl_56yavjv86w_e

    ***A great deal of what Beck “says” on his show is devoted to examining the writings of the founding fathers, political theorists, and philosophers, such as Locke, Rousseau, Burke, Voltaire.
    And if you new one thing about Beck witch I know you don’,t the main thing he hammers home is not to take his word on anything but research it for yourself!***

    most of these you can get off the Internet.

    ***You’re wasting your time. Unfortunately.*** I know, but I do care deeply for many who comment here, and hope one day to reach them.

    Man I was convinced I new alot about black history in this country, But Barton blows my mind every time I see him, Thank God for this man, and thank God for Beck giving him this Giant national forum, as well as the other truth bearing authors that he does this for.
    Beck and Barton should make movies and start thier own history channel!!!!

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  27. anjin-san says:

    Actually “Jack” my reference to ignorance clearly concerned Beck’s viewers, not Beck himself. Read much? At any rate, thank you for providing me with proof of concept.

    Never seen “Lost”. As for reading dead white guys, I recently finished Julias Caesar’s Civil War, which I enjoyed.

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  28. G.A.Phillips says:

    ***Lost is probably more your metier*** Na his favorite show is mad men.

    So as I was saying***And if you new one thing about Beck which I know you don’t the main thing he hammers home is not to take his word on anything but research it for yourself!***

    And they do………..

    ****Is he a patriot? Dunno, never met the guy. He is an entertainer. I don’t think he really believes what he says on his show. He is clearly playing to people who range from ignorant to downright unstable, which is reprehensible. Does not change the fact that he enjoys free speech rights.****Dude why?

    Anjin I double dare you to watch Founding Fridays, only cause I know your indoctrination could not handle a regular show.

    Man you should Have seen last weeks, your eyes will be opened, or, maybe not……….

    And as you was saying….

    G.A.Phillips says:
    Sunday, June 27, 2010 at 07:51

    You’re wasting your time. Unfortunately.

    This is how this works.

    LEFTIST NUT: Beck’s a fool, blah, ignorant blah.., lowest common denominator… tabloid…

    CONSERVATIVE: But he spends most of his shows talking about serious issues with reference to writings of the founding fathers, political theorists, and philosophers, such as Locke, Rousseau, Burke, Voltaire. Name me one MSNBC host who does that?

    LEFTIST NUT: Yeah okay, maybe he does… BUT it’s his interpretation of what those facts that’s the big problem. He doesn’t interpret them correctly. And that’s dangerous because only certain people get to interpret facts correctly. Only people who understand the magnificent fruits of government control for the sake of the people.

    CONSERVATIVES; So basically what you are saying is that KNOWLEDGE is power, and that only certain people get to give out that knowledge because in the wrong hands certain other people might interpret that knowledge incorrectly…

    LEFTIST NUT: EFF YOU. YOU SUCK JUST LIKE BECK, FOX, O’REILLY, BUSH, HALLIBURTON, BLACKWATER…

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  29. anjin-san says:

    Interesting that the far right talks of its veneration for the founding fathers, many of whom were intellectual giants. After all, their ideas shape the world we live in on a daily basis, centuries later.

    Yet they hang on the every word of Sarah Palin, who’s brain is the size of a walnut. Strange dichotomy.

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  30. Jack Bauer says:

    anjin-san says:
    Sunday, June 27, 2010 at 13:11

    It’s really very uninterstting at how obsessed the far left is in Sarah Palin.

    You need therapy. But as Churchill observed then a fanatic someone who can’#t change his mind and won’t change the subject.

    LEFTIST NUT: EFF YOU. YOU SUCK JUST LIKE BECK, FOX, O’REILLY, BUSH, HALLIBURTON, BLACKWATER… AND SARAH PALIN

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  31. Jack Bauer says:

    Michael says:
    Sunday, June 27, 2010 at 09:30

    Huh? How tedious. Nary a thought rattling around that empy brain.

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  32. Jack Bauer says:

    G.A.Phillips says:
    Sunday, June 27, 2010 at 12:55
    ***Lost is probably more your metier*** Na his favorite show is mad men.

    Gulp — err, actually that’s one of my favorite shows on the giant plasma goggle box. Sorry.

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  33. anjin-san says:

    Your handle is false advertising “Jack”. Jack Bauer is dynamic and interesting. You, most certainly, are not. Dismissed…

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  34. Jack Bauer says:

    anjin-san says:
    Sunday, June 27, 2010 at 12:32
    Actually “Jack” my reference to ignorance clearly concerned Beck’s viewers, not Beck himself.

    Wow. Why do liberals see the world in such black and white terms? So you personally know millions of Beck viewers, and that enables you to pronounce them “ignorant.”

    Amazing.

    So let me see if I can break this down: people who find value in Beck’s shows are “ignorant.” Why. Because you day so. Right you are then. You’ve convinced me.

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  35. Jack Bauer says:

    in-sane says:
    Sunday, June 27, 2010 at 14:01
    Your handle is false advertising “Jack”. Jack Bauer is dynamic and interesting. You, most certainly, are not. Dismissed…

    You really are an intellectual giant.

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  36. Michael says:

    Huh? How tedious. Nary a thought rattling around that empy brain.

    It was a simple question Jack. Much is being made of what Beck says about these authors, but nothing about what the authors themselves say. Which obviously would make me wonder if those espousing Beck’s viewpoints were familiar with the authors themselves.

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  37. floyd says:

    “”the founding fathers, many of whom were intellectual giants. After all, their ideas shape the world we live in on a daily basis, centuries later.”"
    “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”

    Here is a relevant quote from my writings elsewhere…

    “A good lawyer reveals just how complex a simple subject can be.
    An excellent lawyer reveals just how simple a complex subject can be.

    The latter you call “intellectual giants”
    The former sounds like today’s far left.

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  38. The English Language says:

    Dear G.A. Phillips,

    Please stop raping me.

    Sincerely,

    -The English Language

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  39. G.A.Phillips says:

    ****Dear G.A. Phillips,

    Please stop raping me.

    Sincerely,

    -The English Language****

    But I only misspell you and use your coma’s at my discretion.Not a word about what the liberal do to you? Did you vote for Obama too? Is this what this is all about?

    :) Idiots are back to picking on my spelling and grammar……lol……

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  40. G.A.Phillips says:

    ***Gulp — err, actually that’s one of my favorite shows on the giant plasma goggle box. Sorry.*** Anyone can watch whatever they want, me myself. I have never seen it.

    I was a fan of lost for many a year Knowing full well that they made it up as they went along. I was vary disappointed in the last season when they took the easy way out with a heaping dose of Liberal Christian rational.

    But then I alway fall in love with interesting character development, perhaps I will download Madmen one day and check it out.

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  41. G.A.Phillips says:

    Michael, Like I double dared Anjin to watch Founding Fridays, I will do the same for you.
    Also I would recommend you stay away for Mon-Thur:) for your own good , for now…….

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  42. Michael says:

    G.A.Phillips,
    I used to listen to Beck back when he just had his radio show, and was a rational conservative voice compared to Rush. From that I’ve learned a bit of his views about the founding fathers. I’ve also taken it upon myself to learn more about them directly. I have concluded that he clings to a rather simplistic view of the desires and motives of the founders, and doesn’t give nearly enough consideration to the conflicts of desires and motives that they had amongst themselves.

    But what do I know, I haven’t watched “Founding Fridays”.

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  43. G.A.Phillips says:

    ***I’ve also taken it upon myself to learn more about them directly. I have concluded that he clings to a rather simplistic view of the desires and motives of the founders, .***

    If you watched the show now you would know That he admits to such things as this. But man he hangs around with David Barton, any many other master historians these days.
    .
    ***and doesn’t give nearly enough consideration to the conflicts of desires and motives that they had amongst themselves*** There is much discussion on subjects such as this.

    Like I said I thought I new alot about black history, but the things I learned from a one hour show last Friday, and from a few weeks ago made me feel stupid. I new of black revolutionary heroes and then of men like Fredrick Douglas who help shape this country, But black founders and lost holidays, lol, man.!..!…!..

    The lost and unwritten or rewritten history of this country is amazing.

    The things that have been lost or hidden are mind crushing.

    That we have lost this history and have repeated them same mistakes is a tragedy of a devastating order!

    What I learned about Texas makes me want to hire a couple of liberal civil rights trial lawyers!!!!!!!

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  44. Drew says:

    A sign of the Apocalypse.

    Or progress?

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  45. G.A.Phillips says:

    Here you go Micheal and Fellows and Ladies………..

    http://olbroad.com/2010/05/29/glenn-beck-052810-founders-friday-the-black-founders/

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