Groundhog Day Forum

Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter


  1. Teve says:

    Repeating this because it’s about the only thing that’s made me cry in a year.


    Katie Porter recounts how she and AOC hid in her office during the Jan. 6 insurrectionist riot.

    “I’m a mom. I’m calm. I have everything we need. We can live for like a month in this office. And she said, ‘I hope I get to be a mom, I hope I don’t die today.’”

  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Economics’ failure over destruction of nature presents ‘extreme risks’

    The world is being put at “extreme risk” by the failure of economics to take account of the rapid depletion of the natural world and needs to find new measures of success to avoid a catastrophic breakdown, a landmark review has concluded.

    Prosperity was coming at a “devastating cost” to the ecosystems that provide humanity with food, water and clean air, said Prof Sir Partha Dasgupta, the Cambridge University economist who conducted the review. Radical global changes to production, consumption, finance and education were urgently needed, he said.

    The 600-page review was commissioned by the UK Treasury, the first time a national finance ministry has authorised a full assessment of the economic importance of nature. A similar Treasury-sponsored review in 2006 by Nicholas Stern is credited with transforming economic understanding of the climate crisis.

    Not blockquoted for emphasis:

    “Nature is our home. Good economics demands we manage it better,” said Dasgupta. “Truly sustainable economic growth and development means recognising that our long-term prosperity relies on rebalancing our demand of nature’s goods and services with its capacity to supply them. It also means accounting fully for the impact of our interactions with nature. Covid-19 has shown us what can happen when we don’t do this.”

  3. OzarkHillbilly says:
  4. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Eric Garcia for Congress
    I am a Democrat running against Devin Nunes and I have never and will never sue a cow.

  5. OzarkHillbilly says:
  6. Sleeping Dog says:


    That Moscow Mitch spoke out so stridently regarding Greene is unusual. He must be disgusted with McCarthy and pressuring him to grow a pair and deal with her before the Dems do. Dithering Kevin won’t, he’s the Susan Collins of the House. Supposedly McCarthy is meeting with Greene today and we can expect a statement of concern from his office and that Greene has learned a lesson.

  7. sam says:
  8. Scott says:

    Regardless of how much the Congressional Republicans want to deflect and forget, this is still out there:

    The Boogaloo Bois Have Guns, Criminal Records and Military Training. Now They Want to Overthrow the Government.

    In the weeks since Jan. 6, an array of extremist groups have been named as participants in the Capitol invasion. The Proud Boys. QAnon believers. White nationalists. The Oath Keepers. But the Boogaloo Bois are notable for the depth of their commitment to the overthrow of the U.S. government and the jaw-dropping criminal histories of many members.

  9. Teve says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I could only listen to a couple of minutes of that.

  10. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Teve: Yep, especially when the asshole is just a few feet away and screaming, “Where is she?”

  11. OzarkHillbilly says:

    As he spoke to his students during a Zoom lesson earlier this month, the northern Virginia middle school social studies teacher called the attempted coup at the Capitol on Jan. 6 “a setup.”

    He would know, he said. He was there.

    “That’s what I witnessed. That’s what I saw,” teacher Benjamin Plummer can be heard saying in a video of the incident published by Fox 5 DC. “When I heard the media just blaming Trump supporters the whole time, I knew then that it was a setup.”

    Plummer defended the mob that marched to the Capitol as “incredibly peaceful” and “Christians,” and instead told his young class at the diverse Fred M. Lynn Middle School that the summer’s Black Lives Matter protesters were to blame for “destroying cities.”

    Plummer, who did not respond to a request for comment, was subsequently put on leave over his Zoom rant after a student recorded it and it was posted to Twitter. The Prince William County school district told local news outlets that while employees are permitted to “engage in political activity on their personal time,” they are not to do so during work hours or using school resources.
    In the aftermath of the attempted coup at the Capitol, Americans are contending with what we should do with the people who hold special roles in society — from police officers to politicians to military veterans — who took part in the day’s deadly events, as well as those who helped fan the flames of incitement by spreading the debunked conspiracies both before and after the attack. But the role played by the country’s teachers who participated or supported the coup has not been extensively discussed. The political atmosphere is so tense nationally that some teachers are even holding their tongues, or facing disciplinary consequences, as their conspiracy-minded colleagues poison the historical record. These educators, who like millions of other Americans wrongly believe the 2020 election was stolen, are not only responsible for teaching children what happened that day, they’re helping to build the next generation of voters.

    “Schools are foundational to building democracy. It’s where students get their first taste of what it looks like to be part of an inclusive, multiracial democracy,” said Jessica Acee, a senior fellow at the Western States Center who coauthored a training toolkit on confronting white nationalism in schools. “So to have people who are espousing anti-democratic values, stories, hyperbole, misinformation to our students, it’s really dangerous because this is where they’re developing their sense of what it means to be an American.”

  12. Mikey says:

    Here’s the dumbest nothingburger of the year so far:

    Ex-colleague of Hunter Biden’s lawyer gets top DOJ post

    Seriously, if there were any more nothing in that burger it would become a giant sucking void and swallow the entire solar system.

  13. Mister Bluster says:

    Here in Makanda Township, Illinois we have our own groundhog. Boskydell Butch.
    Legend has it that he hitched a ride on the Chicago bound City of New Orleans years ago and jumped off the train as is passed through the ‘dell.
    The sky is overcast this morning so if he does leave his hole there won’t be a shadow for him to see.
    I won’t see mine either as I’m not gonna’ stand by a hole in the ground to see what pops out.
    The Spring equinox is March 20th this year. 6 weeks and a few days into the future.
    Butch can’t change that and neither can I.

  14. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Give ’em a break @Mikey, they have to get upset about something.

  15. Kathy says:

    Good news for a change, the Russian Sputnik V vaccine appears to be effective.

    Take it with a grain of salt, of course, but consider the results were published in The Lancet.

    Earlier this year, His Lowness Emperor God King Manuel Andres the Last of Mexico begged his Superior, Vlad The Impaler of the Soviet Union Light, for doses of said vaccine. So it’s one I might get.

    It works with a virus vector, same as the Oxford/AsttraZeneca vaccine, except it uses two different human adenoviruses, one per dose, rather than a single simian adenovirus. So ti looks like immunity to the vector does hamper the immune response to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. Another trial is underway using the Oxford shot for the first dose, and the second Sputnik shot for the second.

  16. Kathy says:

    On to irrelevancies, between not going to work on Friday due to the PET CT, and the Constitution day holiday Monday, I had a 4 day weekend.

    I proceeded to waste it by bingeing Discovery Season 3, running a few eps of The Good Place (I want to do a re-watch knowing what will happen), and bingeing Part 3 of Disenchantment.

    I also watched the first ep of Dirk gently’s Holistic Detective Agency. I recall I read the eponymous novel decades ago, and remember very little of it (I recall the Electric Monk). being from Douglas Adams, it was definitely weird. The TV show seems downright bizarre, and too violent for my taste. I may watch a second ep.

    Disenchantment is way better than I thought it would be. Sure, there’s plenty of vulgar jokes, and substance abuse jokes in terrible taste (this being a chronic issue in Groening’s work), but the story keeps being interesting, and the central characters are very well done.

  17. Teve says:

    Studies are showing that increasing the minimum wage would reduce the deficit:


    EPI comes up with these modest budget effects from raising the minimum wage to $15/hr:
    $13.4b-$31.0b in savings to safety net programs
    $7b-$13.9b increase in FICA revenue
    $6.5b-$20b reduction to EITC/CTC
    So a range of $26.9b-$65b in savings, every year.

    That’s great because Republicans want to reduce the deficit! So they’ll totally support this!

  18. Mikey says:


    I also watched the first ep of Dirk gently’s Holistic Detective Agency. I recall I read the eponymous novel decades ago, and remember very little of it (I recall the Electric Monk). being from Douglas Adams, it was definitely weird. The TV show seems downright bizarre, and too violent for my taste.

    I have never been as disappointed in a television adaptation of a book series as I was with this one. The only thing that travesty has in common with Adams’ wonderful books is the name.

  19. Joe says:

    Dirk gently’s Holistic Detective Agency. I recall I read the eponymous novel decades ago, and remember very little of it (I recall the Electric Monk).

    As a Hitchhiker’s fan, I read this book but was not overall that impressed, but I do remember the opening description of the Electric Monk. The key fact – rendered so much funnier by Adams – was that the Monk was wired around a video recorder which was set to record everything. The unfortunate intersection was that, as a monk, he was also programmed to believe everything.

  20. Kathy says:


    I recall that part rather well. First the VCR was invented to watch TV so people wouldn’t have to, then the Electric Monk was developed to believe things people didn’t want to bother with. Or something like that.

    I forget what was wrong with the specific Monk in the novel.

  21. Teve says:

    @Mikey: 30 years ago i loved Douglas Adams like my friends loved Lord of the Rings. But that Dirk Gently show was very disappointing.

  22. Neil Hudelson says:

    @Teve: @Mikey: @Kathy:

    I enjoyed Dirk, but Ive never read any of the books. I’ve been disappointed in every* Douglass or Pratchett adaptation, if I’ve read the books. The humor on the page just doesn’t translate well to the screen, and they do such a wonderful job of creating whole characters, seeing them played out on screen guarantees to disappoint.

    So perhaps only seeing adaptations of the books you haven’t read is the key to enjoying them.

    While I thought I was sick of all things Superheroes, I did start watching Doom Patrol this weekend on HBO Max, and that show is just delightful.

    I was iffy until they introduced the celery-handed half man, half dinosaur, “Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man.” I was sold after that.

    *Good Omens was almost the exception. If it werent for the fact that Ive re-read that book a dozen times, I probably would have had a less critical rye towards the mini series. Tennant and Sheen were just about perfect.

  23. OzarkHillbilly says:

    FBI agents injured in shootout in Sunrise, Florida

    Light on details, but I know what my first thought was.

  24. Mikey says:

    @Neil Hudelson:

    I’ve been disappointed in every* Douglass or Pratchett adaptation, if I’ve read the books.

    Have you seen The Watch (Sunday nights on BBC America)? Adapted from the Discworld story arc of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch. It’s one of those where people who’ve read the books seem less happy than those who haven’t. (Too “cyberpunk,” apparently, or something.)

    I haven’t, and I like it better than any of the other Pratchett adaptations I’ve seen.

  25. DrDaveT says:


    As a Hitchhiker’s fan, I read this book but was not overall that impressed

    Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency stands out in my memory as the book that improved the most between the first time I read it and the second time I read it. I remember being blown away, over and over, by all of the little bits of foreshadowing and setup and embellishment that were going on and that I had totally missed the first time through. So, if you’ve only ever read it once, you might want to give it another go now that you know how it ends.

    (In films, I had a similar experience with The Sixth Sense…)

    …and now I’m musing about which book was the opposite, in which my opinion went down markedly on the second reading. I’ll have to think about that one.

  26. Mikey says:

    The House impeachment managers have just put up their opening brief for the Senate trial.

    It opens thusly:

    This trial arises from President Donald J. Trump’s incitement of insurrection against the Republic he swore to protect. The House of Representatives has impeached him for that constitutional offense. To protect our democracy and national security—and to deter any future President who would consider provoking violence in pursuit of power—the Senate should convict President Trump and disqualify him from future federal officeholding.

    On January 6, 2021, with Vice President Michael Pence presiding, Congress assembled to perform one of its most solemn constitutional responsibilities: the counting of electoral votes for President of the United States. This ritual has marked the peaceful transfer of power in the United States for centuries. Since the dawn of the Republic, no enemy—foreign or domestic—had ever obstructed Congress’s counting of the votes.No President had ever refused to accept an election result or defied the lawful processes for resolving electoral disputes. Until President Trump.

    In a grievous betrayal of his Oath of Office, President Trump incited a violent mob to attack the United States Capitol during the Joint Session, thus impeding Congress’s confirmation of Joseph R. Biden, Jr. as the winner of the presidential election. As it stormed the Capitol, the mob yelled out “President Trump Sent Us,” “Hang Mike Pence,” and “Traitor Traitor Traitor.” The insurrectionists assaulted police officers with weapons and chemical agents. They seized control of the Senate chamber floor, the Office of the Speaker of the House, and major sections of the Capitol complex. Members and their staffs were trapped and terrorized. Many officials (including the Vice President himself) barely escaped the rioters. The line of succession to the Presidency was endangered. Our seat of government was violated, vandalized, and desecrated. Congress’s counting of electoral votes was delayed until nightfall and not completed until 4 AM. Hundreds of people were injured in the assault. Five people—including a Capitol Police officer—died.

  27. dazedandconfused says:

    Senate hearing for Merrick Garland’s nomination denied:

    Groundhog Day is here. Again.

  28. CSK says:

    What was your first thought?

    This is good:

  29. CSK says:

    I wonder what Trump did when he wandered off into the other room?

  30. Neil Hudelson says:


    I haven’t tried it. I adore the disc world series, and especially the Watch story line. The disc world world is quasi-Roman, quasi-Rennaissance. So when I read that the show was steampunkish, I noped out. I’m sure I’ll try it eventually but I don’t have high hopes.

  31. CSK says:

    Well, Ted Cruz is in deep, deep trouble with the MAGAnoids. He called Trump “reckless and irresponsible.”

  32. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: What was your first thought?

    From what I am reading now, my first thought was wrong. 😉

  33. Kathy says:

    There’s been a lot of photons spilled to the fact we live in a golden age of TV, mostly due to the many, many, many offerings now available, and largely accessible, via the many, many, many streaming services.

    This is true, but there’s a bigger factor at work: episodic television.

    By this I mean many of the new streaming shows pretty much tell a single story during the season, rather than showing multiple stories as used to be the case. This leads to shorter seasons of 10-12 eps rather than 25-30 as in the old days. Some shows tell one story for the whole run of the series.

    Fewer eps are both a function of the episodic nature, and partly due to the end of seasonality. Before streaming, a show had to cover the time between Fall and Summer (with a few breaks in between). That’s not relevant to streaming, which can be viewed any time.

    A story per season is both more engaging, and more conductive to binge watching. It’s common to want more of a show when an episode ends, but you want it even more if you also want to see what happens next in the story.

    I wonder how this would lend itself to faithful adaptations of novels. One drawback of adapting a novel into a two-hour movie, is that a lot of detail, character development, etc. has to be trimmed away. If you had between 7 and 8 hours to tell the novel, you’d be able to do better.

    Apple is working on an adaptation of Asimov’s Foundation. I plan to see it as I’m able to.

    it bears mentioning there were a few episodic shows prior to streaming, like Babylon 5 back in the mid to late 90s, but these were few.

  34. Joe says:

    I have almost never read a book twice, with one major exception. I have read J.M. Coetzee’s Waiting for the Barbarians at least 3 times. (I have not seen the recent movie, though I am curious.) The book, which is not overly long, imparts ideas and issues in a manner that is more experiential than explanatory. So, while I have trouble articulating what the book is really about – besides the plot line – I experience it again each time I read it.

  35. Mikey says:


    it bears mentioning there were a few episodic shows prior to streaming, like Babylon 5 back in the mid to late 90s, but these were few.

    B5 is currently streaming on HBO Max (also available for download from Amazon and iTunes). The original negatives were scanned in 4K then downscaled to HD, while the original CGI was upscaled to HD (not fully re-done, just improved). Also it’s being streamed in 4:3 aspect ratio rather than the widescreen treatment it got on DVD that kinda sucked.

    We’ve been watching it and it’s really cool to see so much detail in sets, makeup, and costumes that we just didn’t pick up in the original TV broadcast.

  36. Kingdaddy says:

    @Neil Hudelson: I’ll second the recommendation for the Doom Patrol TV series. It reproduced the combination of thoughtful and gonzo elements that made the comic book a hoot.

    Back when I collected comics, the Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man issue of the original Doom Patrol was the first of that title I bought. How can you resist a cover like this? Again, totally gonzo, cool and silly at the same time.

  37. Jen says:


    I wonder how this would lend itself to faithful adaptations of novels.

    I think it MUCH improves it. Outlander, A Discovery of Witches, The White Queen/The White Princess/The Spanish Princess, American Gods, The Magicians, etc.*–all of these are based on novels that could never have been made into movies because you’d have to cut too much out. They are, however, just about perfect for series television.

    Some things still need to change because visual is simply a different medium than print.

    * I’ve left out Game of Thrones because although I read several of the books, I never watched the series, and The Expanse because although I’ve watched the series I never read the books. I have no idea how successfully those were adapted.

  38. inhumans99 says:


    Wow, you have read the book 3 times…regardless of its relatively short length it is not light reading. I believe I read the novel for class at UC Santa Cruz when I was a student back in 1999/2000 and it is profoundly disquieting.

  39. Neil Hudelson says:


    I finished a book last night (Hyperion) and had no clue what my next book should be. Just borrowed Waiting for the Barbarians on kindle and I’m excited to jump into it with no idea of what awaits me.

  40. Kathy says:


    I may get to it someday. I’d read about it, but didn’t know how it was upgreaded.

    I do have the DVDs, and finished a rewatch only a few years ago. That goes a long way.

  41. Neil Hudelson says:


    The expanse is one of the best adaptations I’ve seen. Both the tv and book series are equally enjoyable. The first season of the tv show starts a bit slowly, but hits its stride about midway.

  42. sam says:


    I wonder what Trump did when he wandered off into the other room?

    Being his private dining room, he probably had a cheeseburger.

  43. DrDaveT says:

    @Neil Hudelson:

    I finished a book last night (Hyperion)

    Hyperion (I assume you mean the Dan Simmons novel?) has been waiting on my shelf for a decade. I have no idea why I never actually seem to be in the mood to start it. I have the same problem with The Dragon Never Sleeps. Even weirder, I have that problem with Record of a Spaceborn Few, even though I loved the first two books in that series.

  44. CSK says:

    Make that a hamberder.

  45. Mikey says:

    FBI Director Wray has identified the two agents killed in a shootout in Sunrise, FL this morning as SA Daniel Alfin and SA Laura Schwartzenberger. They were executing a search warrant on a child pornography suspect when they and three other agents were shot by that suspect. According to reports, the suspect then shot himself and is dead (may he rot in hell).

    RIP to these brave agents and deepest sympathies to their families.

  46. Kathy says:

    This feels like a throwback to last month. Trump really wants to go there.

    Per the Guardian:

    The president’s legal team said in its brief, “Insufficient evidence exists upon which a reasonable jurist could conclude that the 45th President’s statements were accurate or not, and he therefore denies they were false.”

    Is there a penalty for suborning perjury in a Senate Impeachment Trial? Because not only is there NO evidence at all for any kind of organized fraud that would change electoral results in five states, but there is overwhelming evidence of a fairly conducted election throughout.

    The claim above could be amended to: “..upon which an irrational jurist inhabiting a paranoid fantasy land of conspiracies and lies..”

  47. CSK says:

    I’m waiting for Marjorie Taylor Greene to label it a false flag operation to take away our guns. Some of the MAGAnoids at have already done so.

  48. MarkedMan says:

    @Kathy: B5 had a tightrope to walk. Since Most people at the time only watched a show when it aired and picked up missing episodes on reruns and therefore out of sequence, they had to make each episode incredibly strong has a stand-alone, but still meaningfully develop the overall arc. And do so in the kid friendly world of family hour broadcast. It was tough, but I think they pulled it off amazingly well.

  49. MarkedMan says:

    Josh Marshall has a column on TPM where he expresses surprise at how quiet Trump has been the last few weeks. (Behind the paywall, so I won’t link.) I’m not at all surprised and in fact some of you may remember me describing the typical Trump fiasco. There are a few steps leading up to the inevitable ending: he storms off and disappears for some amount of time (depending on the humiliation) until he is ready for his next cockamamy scheme. In fact, I often remarked on how dangerous it was that he didn’t have that option as President, given he held the launch codes.

  50. Mu Yixiao says:
  51. Kathy says:


    You know, the best move for Trump, first Impeachment and all, would have been not to run for reelection, claiming he didn’t have to because he accomplished so much in one term.

    He’d have left with throngs of cultists begging him not to go, and he could have let some generic Republican lose to Biden.

    Or maybe let some generic Republican beat Biden.

  52. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Sleeping Dog: As I noted yesterday, I think Mitch is just making sure that he stays enough one of the “not bad/crazy ones” that Schumer doesn’t tell him to STFU every time he opens his mouth. He’s fine using MTGs political capital on entertaining the brutes so that he doesn’t have to.

  53. CSK says:

    I was one of those who believed/hoped that Trump would resign out of boredom, frustration, and sheer laziness sometime toward the end of 2017. I didn’t grasp that he’d spend most of the day in bed eating hamberders, rage-tweeting, and watching tv. Sweet gig.

  54. MarkedMan says:


    You know, the best move for Trump, first Impeachment and all, would have been not to run for reelection

    You’re right, but you may as well say that a dog would be better off not going for the pile of ground beef dropped on the floor. It’s simply not in their nature to resist. Trump has never, ever, in his entire history of grandiose schemes ever quit while he was ahead. Would he have been better off if he had ended The Apprentice before it dropped to 118 in the ratings? Sure. But it was not in his nature. Would he have been better off if he had dropped his second casino rather than continue to have his properties compete against each other in a declining market? Sure, but that would have required at least a tacit admission that he was somehow wrong. Couldn’t happen. You could go on and on with the same type of logic through every fiasco he had. It’s about to happen again with the Trump hotel in DC. Would he have been better off selling it the day he became President? Absolutely. Is it about to go bankrupt? Without a doubt.

  55. Kathy says:


    It’s simply not in their nature to resist.

    Oh, I totally agree. If Trump did, even on occasion, that which was good for him, he wouldn’t need to fall upwards so much.

    But it’s not just his inability to admit error. there’s also his inability to admit he lost, or that he didn’t or couldn’t win. I can’t think who was the last president who decided to quit after one term. Plenty have lost, Kennedy didn’t get the chance to run for reelection, and Johnson declined to seek his own second term. In the latter case, it was after serving the remainder of JFK’s term and one he won on his own, so it’s very different. Everyone else who did not die in office, at least attempted reelection. IN trump’s view, even “losers” like Ford, Carter, and Bush the elder.

  56. Kathy says:


    “It’s good to be the King.”

  57. CSK says:

    He saw himself as a king. Note all the references to “my generals,” “my secretary,” my this, my that. Everyone was his subject. Remember when he went around the room and forced all his cabinet to say how grateful they were to be working for him?

  58. Jax says:

    @CSK: He still sees himself as a king in regards to the mob who stormed the Capitol, I think. Essentially a Ramsey Bolton with a pack of vicious dogs under his control.

  59. Kathy says:


    I’d say he saw himself as that kind of king, not just a king.

    One peeve I had over the West Wing, is that Bartlett would often refer to “my state department,” or “my ships,” in a way that implied ownership rather than responsibility.

  60. CSK says:

    Ownership rather than responsibility is the essence of Trump. He even told us so: “I take no responsibility.”

  61. Kathy says:

    On other news today, Gamestop’s stock crashed, as did SpaceX’s latest Starship prototype. And Jeff Bezos announced he’ll step down as CEO of Amazon.

  62. Grewgills says:

    My students have decided that since there are no groundhogs here that it is Mongoose Day in Hawai’i and if the mongoose sees its shadow… six more weeks of rain.

  63. Kathy says:


    I’ve no qualms at all in proclaiming the Orange Ass to be Donald King of the Covidiots and Emperor of the Maskholes, even if that discomfits Dom Jair or Manuel Andres. The latter were mere imitators of terrible and lazy policies, not the daring originators.

  64. Jax says:

    @Kathy: I don’t know if he ever watched Game of Thrones, but you can bet your ass Ramsey Bolton is exactly the kind of person he would’ve admired.

  65. Kylopod says:

    @Jax: Even though he’s far more like Joffrey (something GRRM has pointed out).

  66. Jax says:

    @Kylopod: I still have that episode saved for when I’m super-angry about politics. I binge-watched the entire series from New Year’s til about the 12th, I forgot how much stuff had happened! Also the scene from when Khal Drogo poured molten gold over Viserys’s face. If there was ever a Trump, Viserys was one of them. And when Ramsey got eaten by his dogs. And Little Finger’s death scene (totally Jared Kushner).

    They did “a fitting death” right, I’ll give them that, even if they skated on the last season. 😉

  67. Mikey says:


    They did “a fitting death” right, I’ll give them that, even if they skated on the last season.

    One of my favorite deaths was Olenna Tyrell…”Tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me.” Even though she was the one about to die, she still won.

    And Ramsey getting done in by his own dogs was the most poetic of justice.

  68. Jax says:

    @Mikey: Olenna’s who I want to be when I grow up.

  69. Jax says:

    @Mikey: I would absolutely be down for a whole ‘nother series based on Arya and “What’s West of Westeros?”

  70. Mikey says:


    Olenna’s who I want to be when I grow up.

    Such a great character and Diana Rigg (RIP) played her wonderfully.

    We’re watching All Creatures Great and Small on PBS and she has a recurring role as a ridiculously wealthy woman with a too-plump little mop of a dog named Tricky-Woo.

    I would absolutely be down for a whole ‘nother series based on Arya and “What’s West of Westeros?”

    TBH I’m kind of surprised that hasn’t already been announced.

  71. Jax says:

    @Mikey: COVID, I suspect. And not everybody’s willing to be a hard ass like our buddy EddieInCA. Maybe next year!

  72. de stijl says:

    I’m in my late 50s and I wanna be Arya when I grow up.

  73. de stijl says:

    Per the post pic, Stephen Tobolowsky (Ned) is a great character actor.

  74. Pylon says:

    @Kathy: I’m old enough to remember when a miniseries was the new and preferred way to get a novel onto the screen – Roots, all those Richard Chamberlain vehicles (he was actually Jason Bourne FFS), etc.