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Doug Mataconis
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Saturday, September 14, 2019
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The floor is yours.
About Doug Mataconis
Doug Mataconis held a B.A. in Political Science from Rutgers University and J.D. from George Mason University School of Law. He joined the staff of OTB in May 2010 and contributed a staggering 16,483 posts before his retirement in January 2020. He passed far too young in July 2021.
I just finished the first episode of “Chernobyl” on HBO. Gripping. Incredible acting. Amazing writing and direction. We see tough, hard men, men who had risen to the top in their fields through tenacity and ruthlessness, who were confronted with a reality that flew in the face of everything they officially believed and everything their careers and positions depended on, and they react with anger and vitriol and shout down anyone who brings reality into their faith built world. They send others to their death and march to their own death rather than displease the powerful who control their fates. In other words, modern day Republicans.
@MarkedMan: that’s a hard show to watch.
I didn’t believe this was real until I watched the video:
no I’m not shitting you here is a link to the video on Twitter
The Ig Nobels are here! The winners include,
Huh, I never would have guessed that las one.
@OzarkHillbilly:
It’s the journey, not the destination.
@Teve:
I await the spirited and principled defense of the free market from Republicans in Congress.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….
I’ll be here all week folks.
‘Lovers of Modena’ skeletons holding hands were both men
But not gay, no never that.
@Teve: Please tell me that was a joke. Please.
@CSK: everybody who chooses to support Trump winds up humiliated.
@Teve: That goes well beyond groveling.
@CSK: He’s a fucking joke.
I’ve been advising people/managers for 40 years now that it’s a software world and they should plan accordingly. Volkswagen Group is belatedly taking that advice and consolidating the software organizations from all of their auto brands into a single division and establishing a common software architecture. I particularly liked the example of a current problem where the power train might be disabled if the GPS navigation app in the infotainment system fails.
The world’s largest oil plant in Saudi Arabia was attacked by 10 explosive drones ahead Aramco’s plans for the biggest IPO ever
Yesterday was 9/11, and we heard the usual things that I find a bit fulsome. Today is the day after. When we talk of 9/11, we rarely mention what followed. In the days after the original 9/11 we launched a war on Iraq. I am skeptical that this was the right move. What do others think?
@Slugger: Well, no one was killed by Saddam Hussein’s Weapons of Mass Destruction. So there’s that.
I’m actually pretty sad that in our present mess, no one seems to remember that GWB was really a terrible President. Awful. Rotten. One of the worst.
@Slugger: The war on Iraq was a war of choice drummed up to ensure cheap *oil* and justified with cherrypicked intelligence at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives. (don’t get me started on all the unintended consequences) Need I say anymore?
And we never should have invaded Afghanistan either.
Homeland Security investigating who drew a swastika inside one of its buildings
I suspect they just want to thank him
@Slugger: What @OzarkHillbilly: said. The invasion of Iraq is the dumbest thing any president has ever done, at least in my lifetime. Even I am not old enough to remember Buchanan. We invaded Afghanistan to put Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda out of business. Had we done it as a raid, done what we set out to do, and left, it might have been OK. But W had to also go ahead and invade Iraq, leaving the military hanging in Afghanistan, apparently with no clearly defined mission. And with no credible plan for dealing with Iraq post invasion. W blew up the Middle East for no real reason except that he was too dumb not to. And torture and Guantanamo aside, invading Iraq when they posed no threat to us was a war crime.
And please don’t tell me ‘he believed the intelligence’. The intelligence was cooked to support a decision already made to invade.
The invasion of Iraq is why I call Trump the Second Worst president of my lifetime (born in 1976). Anybody know the best estimate of the total number of deaths from that?
@Teve: @OzarkHillbilly: You guys DO realize that this story ends with Trump saying “who knew homelessness would be so hard,” right?
ETA: I mean, it’s why the Federal Housing Authority was formed in the first place.
@OzarkHillbilly: My Italian grandfather would be embarrassed! 🙁 Even he could have told them that pizza (something that, to my knowledge, he never ate–being from Tuscany) provides temporary protection against death–due to starvation. It’s the stuff Italian jokes are made from. :-/
ETA: Still Teve’s was clever, at least.
@Just nutha ignint cracker: Hey now, cold pizza and warm beer have revived me more than a few times after all night debaucheries.
@Slugger:
A year and a half.
@95 South:
So… 500-600 days?
People forget how long we deliberated over whether to do the wrong thing, whether we should wait until we were done in Afghanistan before doing the wrong thing, whether the evidence suggesting we needed to do the wrong thing was obviously fake or just subtlety fake, whether we should accept Saddam’s suggestion to let the UN inspectors in or just steamroll on and do the wrong thing, and just how much of a cakewalk doing the wrong thing would be.
It was a disastrous decision, taken very deliberately.
I recall hearing years later that some of the “evidence” was pushed by Iran who just hated Saddam, and that Bushies were duped because it was what they wanted to do. Not sure if that was a crazy conspiracy theory or not.
Reposted from dead thread on Pinocchios:
Analogy: fact-checking statements is like wine tasting.
Wine tasting is a useful way of learning things about the relative quality and character of wines, but it makes some key assumptions. For one, it assumes that everything you’re tasting is actually wine, made from grapes and intended for human consumption.
There are no descriptive terms or scores available to the wine taster if the glass actually contains motor oil or drain cleaner, and only a very confused person would try to assign Mobil-1 or Drano a description and a score. Nobody cares how much hint of vanilla or cedar or pencil lead the Drano features, nor should they.
It’s equally confused to try to assign Trump mouth sounds a truthfulness description or score, for pretty much the same reasons.
Late next year, after Warren wins the election and Trump is a lame duck, he’s going to issue a bunch of pardons for himself and everybody linked to him, and Republicans and the media will pressure Democrats to just accept it and let it go for the good of the nation.
It would be really nice if our foreign policy was based on what is best for us and not for countries like Iran and Israel…
Ahh, but that only applies to federal charges, not state charges, right…
Serious question for Doug, James, and Steven:
Granting that the high majority of commenters here at OTB are basically the center-left variety, has that challenged you?
You guys don’t slant posts, that is not what I’m getting at. You bring the facts first, and then your personal analysis.
Is it strange or disconcerting for James, as an example, to address us idiots with a thoughtful post, and then us idiots pollute it with our comments?
Or Doug? A little l GMU / Cato style libertarian? (Although, he’s grown.)
You folks obviously did not set out to cater to a predominantly center left audience when you conceived this.
What do you guys think about how OTB has changed, and what do you think of its current state, and what would you change about it?
One thing OTB has granted me was insight when people here rightly criticized my behavior / comments as overbearing or controlling or too clever by half.
I’ve tried to take that to heart and amend my behavior.
Frankly, I was sometimes an arrogant jackass here. I am endeavoring not to be “that guy” anymore.
Please correct me if I stumble.
@de stijl: The interesting thing to me is how many of the people who post acknowledge having been Republican/conservative-libertarian until they simply couldn’t look past the lunacy any more. I grew up on the Left Coast, in Seattle, graduated from high school the year that Clark Hall–home of the University of Washington ROTC–was bombed. Attended SDS meetings and Black Panther teach ins at my high school. I got to see the lunatic fringe of the left up close and personal. For me, this is still a pretty center right place and the commentariat are not all that “liberal” compared to my home town and life experience.
Trump is suggesting a mutual defense treaty with Israel.
I’m not sure what we would get from this.
And Trump claims LED lightbulbs make him look orange.
His belief that everyone looks orange makes me think that his retinas must also be weirdly orange. Or an orange film that extends across his eyes. He sees the world with orange colored tint, so can’t see how oddly orange he is.
@Just nutha ignint cracker:
You should try spending some time in Ozarkistan. Here, the likes of James, Doug, and Steven are considered raging loony leftier than thou turncoats who have betrayed all that is right and true just because they allow facts to inform their opinions.
@Gustopher:
They’d have to be fools to think it was worth more than the sharpie he signed it with, the way he treats allies and unilaterally abrogates deals.
As to what we would get from it, a lot of headaches and a shiny brand new Jerusalem trump Tower.
@OzarkHillbilly: Currently, I live in Kelso, Washington, the seat of a county that went GOP 69% in both 2016 and 18, and I’ve been called a raging left loony turncoat–by a friend who I went to university with who lives here, too. Not Ozarkistan to be sure, but not the left coast either.
@Gustopher:
He doesn’t believe that, he’s just lying.
@Just nutha ignint cracker: I like to think that he smeared the fake tan goo across his eyeballs, and now everything is orange. Can you prove this isn’t the case?
The lawyers among us will be snickering at the following:
(from the Guardian. Didn’t link to the complete article because there were several unrelated parts.)
Well, it looks like that whole “frolic vs. detour” issue has been solved….
@Gustopher: Makes me wonder if Trump is gulping down dietary pills. One of the side effects can be xanthopsia (seeing everything as yellow). (Used as an essential element in Elizabeth Peters’ “To Die For Love” mystery–which is a wonderful satire on the whole romance novel industry, among other things.)
@Gustopher: Okay, if you want to go with that, suits me. It’s not a Occam’s Razor-ie as mine, but…
@grumpy realist: I LOVE that story!