Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog).
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@CSK: When she’s right she’s right. You gotta respect her expertise on the subject of GOP grifting.
At your link Rawstory says,
she has since said that she has realized that former President Donald Trump is not engaged in a secret plan to bring down a global cabal of Satanist pedophiles.
So she still believes there’s a global cabal of pedophiles but now thinks Trump is OK with that?
“I have never seen a defamation case with such overwhelming proof that the defendant admitted in writing that it was making up fake information in order to increase its viewership and its revenues,” Tribe told the Guardian. “Fox and its producers and performers were lying as part of their business model.”
The case concerns Fox News’s repetition of Donald Trump’s lie that his 2020 defeat by Joe Biden was the result of electoral fraud, including claims about Dominion voting machines.
Tribe said the filing “establishes that Fox was not only reckless” but also that producers, owners and personalities were “deliberately lying and knew they were lying about the nature of Dominion’s machines and the supposed way they could be manipulated”.
…………………………
“This is the most remarkable discovery filing I’ve ever read in a commercial litigation,” said Scott Horton, a Columbia Law School lecturer, Harper’s Magazine contributing editor and litigator with clients including CBS and the Associated Press.
“A summary judgment motion by a plaintiff in this kind of case is almost unheard of. These suits usually fail because you can’t prove the company you’re suing knew they were spreading falsehoods. That you would have evidence they knew it was a lie is almost unheard of … in this case the sheer volume of all the email and text messages is staggering.”
Horton said Dominion’s case gets “huge benefit” from the way Fox employees “express themselves with a huge measure of hyperbole about absolutely everything”.
Tribe agreed: “This is one of the first defamation cases in which it is possible to rule for the plaintiff on summary judgment. This is not a request to go to trial. There is no genuinely disputed fact. The defendants were deliberately lying in a manner that was per se libelous and they clearly knew it.”
Despite of my innate pessimistic cynicism, I am starting to hope.
Hey! Washington County Missouri made it into the Guardian’s digital pages! Well kinda, sorta, The picture at the top is of trapped feral pigs in Washington County.
So far… Knock on wood… I have not seen any on my property. I know they are around tho. Somebody had to shoot a 400# sow that was harassing their cattle just a few miles away. I saw a pic of it in the local rag and that pig was biiiiiiig.
I am amazed that the elites in this country have still not learned the basic rule that any form of written communication is discoverable during legal actions. And that using your phone to send/receive the text doesn’t make it any less discoverable.
When I went to work at a giant telecommunications company that was always in court for some reason or other, they hammered that into those of us in the R&D organization: before you hit send, read that (in those days) e-mail one more time and imagine it’s being read in court. Some of the legal trainers went even farther. “Don’t send e-mail to someone 100 feet away. Walk down the hall and say it in person, so there’s no written record.”
@Michael Cain: I have always tried to impress upon my kids and my clients never to put anything in writing that you wouldn’t want to see published in the NYTimes.
Some years ago the local major national research university lost a perfectly competent President because she didn’t have the sense to walk down the hall to kvetch about her peers or her opponents or whoever, but had to text those thoughts instead.
One of the most preeminent shapers of thought in the GOP, and a key player in the House Republican Caucus, has called for secession. https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1627665203398688768
I’m 100% behind her on this.
Here in CT about 70 cents of every dollar we send to DC comes back.
I’d love for DC to stop supporting the Red States and see the impact of that in my tax bill.
@OzarkHillbilly:
I’d love it to be so…but I have doubts.
As I noted in another thread…Tribe seems to have made giving false hope to Dems a part of his retirement plan.
NYT’s war on trans people now extends to threatening its own reporters:
NYT editors: Paper will not tolerate its journalists protesting coverage of transgender people https://t.co/knBotlbiKE— Henry Goldman (@hgoldman77) February 19, 2023
How often do you encounter employers who tolerate being publicly criticized by their employees? None I ever worked for would, the NYT is hardly being special.
Rather than the endless back and forth of the controversy, the publishing company should simply publish both versions and let the market decide. I think this has the added advantage of making a heck of a lot more money.
@Kathy: I actually think this makes perfect sense from a business model, provided “verification” actually means verified. Does Kathy or MarkedMan need verification? No, the online masses don’t give a hoot about us and so are not trying to pretend to be us. And Facebook can probably make an exception for those who are truly famous outside of the social media universe, i.e. actors and politicians. But if you are an influencer and make your money from your social media feed and have a lot to lose if someone imitates you? Then this is just another cost of business.
On more serious, important matters, I’m in the very early, yet hurried, planning stages of a trip to Cancun for the purpose of visiting a few Maya sites.
Cancun is a beach resort popular with Europeans, Canadians, Mexicans, and Americans, on the Caribbean coast. I really don’t care much for beaches, but it’s a good location for day trips to Tulum and Chichen Itza.
I figure a good time to visit is the fourth week of March, specifically Tue 21st through Friday 24.th Monday 20th is a holiday, so by the 21st things will have emptied out. At least of Mexican nationals.
There are two obstacles. One is work. I’ve no idea how work will be then. No question no one will say a word if I request four days vacation now and take them then, even if new projects later pop up due around that time. But it looks bad. On the other hand, the weather gets really hot by April, never mind May or June. Also late spring is the beginning of hurricane season. Odds of a hurricane hitting while I’m there are small, but rain is far more likely at that time as well.
The other is that I know nothing about Cancun or the environs. Like what is a good location for a hotel, whether I should rent a car there or join a day tour for the sites I’m interested in, etc.
I expect I’ll be busy looking up hotels and tours for the next week.
Trump is in a foaming-at-the-mouth fury at Salena Zito (a former Trump admirer) and the New York Post for publishing a piece apparently favorable to Ron DeSantis:
It surprises me how often people that work for a corporation fail to understand what policies they have agreed to in writing actually mean in practice, despite sitting through training that couldn’t be more clear and direct. It often boils down to, “Those policies apply to bad people with bad intent, and we all know that I’m a good person, so I’ll just explain what I really meant and all should be forgotten.” Sometimes it’s the person you would expect, say some guy who was “just complimenting” a female coworker by telling her she had a tight ass. But more times than I would expect is someone in a protected class who thinks that the rules are only meant to protect them, not others. So even with policies that say, “publicly commenting on a person’s religion in a negative way is grounds for a “first warning” or “using a racial epithet is a firing offense”, some employees feel that since they are a minority themselves it is “just speaking truth” when they declare to a colleague that “black actors don’t win Oscars because you Jews control Hollywood”, or they get angry with a white colleague and call them an ignorant redneck cracker, that they shouldn’t held to account.
The employee I’m most concerned about nowadays is a woman and a member of another protected class that simply has no filter. She will often make a joke laden with sexual connotations and then laughingly call out the name of her HR rep, as if she thinks that pointing out she knows it is inappropriate somehow mitigates it. I can’t count the number of times I’ve been in the break room with her and found myself steering the conversation away from dangerous areas. Bottom line, a company can and should fire someone for making racially insensitive remarks But if that employee can show that we allowed the same type of behavior from a different employee and did not terminate them, well they have a lawsuit ready made. So if you can’t abide by the written terms of employment when it comes to how you interact with your fellow employees, then you shouldn’t work at that company.
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has given Fox News’ Tucker Carlson exclusive access to 41,000 hours of Capitol surveillance footage from the Jan. 6 riot, McCarthy sources tell me.
@Kathy: you would be paying in part to have your data mined better.
There are lots of things that they infer about you, based on information you have given them, which they would then know as a fact if they have your verified identity.
I think there’s a big difference between harrassing your coworkers in the break room and being able to continue public participation outside of work, particularly when the employer is also publicly participating.
e.g. Should a corporation be able to make it’s employees sign an agreement to never disparage a Republican in any forum and then fire them based on violating that agreement?
Should a corporation be able to make it’s employees sign an agreement to never disparage a Republican in any forum and then fire them based on violating that agreement?
Should they? Probably not. Should they be allowed? Of course.
But if a newspaper says employees should not publicly disparage the paper or the other employees that work there, I have no problem with that. Debate the policies, opinionate about the facts, fine. But if you absolutely feel you have to publicly call out your coworkers by name or trash the company, then quit and do so.
@Stormy Dragon: As to the need to unionize so the employer cannot fire you if you trash a fellow employee, well that fellow employee will be in the union too. On what grounds would the union side with the disparager?
I imagine the union’s stance would be that the issue should be resolved without negatively impacting the employment of either employee…
Why? The union is caught in a bad place here but the issue is pretty clear cut from a membership stance. One union member publicly attacked another. The union is pretty much forced to take sides and it’s hard to see why they would take the side of the disparager. What kind of precedent would that set?
So in your mind, once any member of the union takes a public position on a particular subject, no one else in the union is allowed to publicly disagree with them?
@Stormy Dragon: Having looked at the sample test items at the site, I’m having difficulty seeing why it constituytes a “Christian” alternative to the tests currently available. On the other hand, I’m not so inclined to believe that testing (or education at large or commerce for that matter) is particularly “Christian” in any meaningful way. I can, however, celebrate with them in having designed yet another entry in a standardized testing bureaucracy that measures almost nothing worth knowing, and having added obscurer and less readable samples than previous tests use. That part is an accomplishment of sorts at least.
I’ve a vague understanding of why someone would want to pay for verification, but still think the whole thing is effed up. Like Stephen King said Twitter should be paying him, not the other way around.
My take is that the very successful, however one defines success, model of data mining that worked before is not longer working that well, and these companies need to suck up money from somewhere/someone else.
IMO, Zuckerberg may need a lot of things, but more money isn’t one of them.
@Just nutha ignint cracker: In general, business calling itself “Christian” just means that they are going to slap a Jesus fish on everything, and hide all of their grift behind Bible verses. And then tearfully repent if they get caught, but only after cashing the checks.
@Just nutha ignint cracker: Correct! And the only (indirect) experience I have with a union rep getting involved with an employee on employee complaint it was an argument and ended with a shove. The union rep made sure the terminated employee got everything he was supposed to but made no effort to defend him. Obviously, not the same type of case.
Presidents Day
I have seen two Presidents USA up close.
Actually Nixon was only a candidate in 1960 when my dad took me to the Rochester-Monroe County (NY) Airport to see Tricky Dick at a campaign stop. I was 12 years old. All I remember is looking through a fence to the tarmack and seeing him at the top of the stairs in front of the door to the airplane waving at the crowd.
The other was President Clinton when he gave a speech at Southern Illinois University in Carbondale in September 1995. I did not get to see the speech live as I was working however just before Clinton’s motorcade was returning to the airport the local police came into an office I was working at and told us that the Presidents motorcade would stop right in front of our building to greet citizens. There were maybe 20 people in a crowd right at the edge of the street when the big black limo stopped and Clinton got out and shook hands. One woman was so excited I thought that she would pass out. I had my camera and got a shot of him exiting the car and one close up when he was greeting people and then ran out of film. (remember film?)
@MarkedMan: The union is caught in a bad place here but the issue is pretty clear cut from a membership stance. One union member publicly attacked another. The union is pretty much forced to take sides and it’s hard to see why they would take the side of the disparager. What kind of precedent would that set?
Speaking as a union carpenter, the union is NOT forced to take a side. They do NOT have a dog in that fight. We fought and argued all the time. STFW? If we could not do our job in spite of our differences, the contractor could lay off one or the other or both.
I’m pretty sure the rules of press unions are different, but they still don’t have to take a side. They always have the option of saying, “Grow the F up.”
@Scott: Seems to me that McCarthy gave government property to a profit making private corporation. Something tells me that is not allowed.
Just want to note that it is done all the time. Everything from unemployment #s to weather to interest rates to pending bills to census #’s etc etc etc. There may be an exception regards to this particular information, but I suspect if he gave it to FOX and refused to give it to other media corporations he and FOX would find themselves mired in some deep legal quagmires.
I am amazed that the elites in this country have still not learned the basic rule that any form of written communication is discoverable during legal actions. And that using your phone to send/receive the text doesn’t make it any less discoverable.
And we should be glad of that.
When I went to work at a giant telecommunications company that was always in court for some reason or other, they hammered that into those of us in the R&D organization: before you hit send, read that (in those days) e-mail one more time and imagine it’s being read in court. Some of the legal trainers went even farther. “Don’t send e-mail to someone 100 feet away. Walk down the hall and say it in person, so there’s no written record.”
When someone is telling me to not write things down, that’s going to make me 100% sure to write everything down. I need notes. I need records of what I did. I need to store them where they won’t be automatically deleted in 30 days or whatever the email retention policy is.
If I need to write a promo doc for Fritz down the hall, it’s so much easier if I have key things in writing. And I’ll need anything for my own promo doc.
And who knows what about Project Redline? I need to keep that stuff written down because my memory is shit.
How often do you encounter employers who tolerate being publicly criticized by their employees? None I ever worked for would, the NYT is hardly being special.
Would you be as quick to respond that way if it were Fox News threatening their employees if they were criticizing the company’s promotion of conspiracy theories?
In particular, journalists generally at least attempt to pay lip service to a code of ethics.
I can see lots of clauses there that might require journalists to speak up publicly.
(The NYTimes published ethical standards are less expansive, being more like “what can you do for The NY Times,” rather than a responsibility to the public)
Would you be as quick to respond that way if it were Fox News threatening their employees if they were criticizing the company’s promotion of conspiracy theories?
I do not believe any newspaper, any magazine, any source of editorial content would be OK with paid staff people freelancing commentary on its content – because of the special way the public would evaluate such people as representing the organization. I see no reason that would not go for Fox the same as any other source of editorial content.
@dazedandconfused: As an aside…..JFC, can you imagine how much that tattoo on the palm of his hand hurt?! I have tattoos in some sensitive places, but I would NEVER get one on the palm of my hand.
Where an organization has existing published rules for employee conduct, employees should expect that violating said rules might well provoke a reaction, maybe some consequences even.
Coming from Marjorie Taylor Greene, this is truly funny:
http://www.rawstory.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-2659439767/
@CSK: When she’s right she’s right. You gotta respect her expertise on the subject of GOP grifting.
At your link Rawstory says,
So she still believes there’s a global cabal of pedophiles but now thinks Trump is OK with that?
Despite of my innate pessimistic cynicism, I am starting to hope.
And on President’s Day, President Biden is in Kyiv, meeting President Zelensky.
Hey! Washington County Missouri made it into the Guardian’s digital pages! Well kinda, sorta, The picture at the top is of trapped feral pigs in Washington County.
So far… Knock on wood… I have not seen any on my property. I know they are around tho. Somebody had to shoot a 400# sow that was harassing their cattle just a few miles away. I saw a pic of it in the local rag and that pig was biiiiiiig.
RIP Richard Belzer. 78
@Mu Yixiao: Munch!
Godspeed, Munchie.
@gVOR08:
I wonder what the news is that MTG is promising will break today?
@OzarkHillbilly:
I am amazed that the elites in this country have still not learned the basic rule that any form of written communication is discoverable during legal actions. And that using your phone to send/receive the text doesn’t make it any less discoverable.
When I went to work at a giant telecommunications company that was always in court for some reason or other, they hammered that into those of us in the R&D organization: before you hit send, read that (in those days) e-mail one more time and imagine it’s being read in court. Some of the legal trainers went even farther. “Don’t send e-mail to someone 100 feet away. Walk down the hall and say it in person, so there’s no written record.”
So, now Fakebook wants a monthly fee for “verification.”
Let’s see, should I pay money for the privilege of having my data mined?
Last Wednesday, Texas Democrats filed a bill to require counties to put polling places at college campuses with 5,000 or more students.
The next day, a Texas Republican responded by filing a bill to prohibit counties from putting polling places on college campuses.
@Michael Cain: I have always tried to impress upon my kids and my clients never to put anything in writing that you wouldn’t want to see published in the NYTimes.
Some years ago the local major national research university lost a perfectly competent President because she didn’t have the sense to walk down the hall to kvetch about her peers or her opponents or whoever, but had to text those thoughts instead.
One of the most preeminent shapers of thought in the GOP, and a key player in the House Republican Caucus, has called for secession.
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1627665203398688768
I’m 100% behind her on this.
Here in CT about 70 cents of every dollar we send to DC comes back.
I’d love for DC to stop supporting the Red States and see the impact of that in my tax bill.
@daryl and his brother darryl:
Is this the big news MTG said would be breaking today?
@OzarkHillbilly:
I’d love it to be so…but I have doubts.
As I noted in another thread…Tribe seems to have made giving false hope to Dems a part of his retirement plan.
NYT’s war on trans people now extends to threatening its own reporters:
@CSK:
I hope.
@Stormy Dragon:
How often do you encounter employers who tolerate being publicly criticized by their employees? None I ever worked for would, the NYT is hardly being special.
On the “Roald Dahl Books Bowdlerized” controversy.
Rather than the endless back and forth of the controversy, the publishing company should simply publish both versions and let the market decide. I think this has the added advantage of making a heck of a lot more money.
@Kathy: I actually think this makes perfect sense from a business model, provided “verification” actually means verified. Does Kathy or MarkedMan need verification? No, the online masses don’t give a hoot about us and so are not trying to pretend to be us. And Facebook can probably make an exception for those who are truly famous outside of the social media universe, i.e. actors and politicians. But if you are an influencer and make your money from your social media feed and have a lot to lose if someone imitates you? Then this is just another cost of business.
@charon:
One of the reasons we need more unions
On more serious, important matters, I’m in the very early, yet hurried, planning stages of a trip to Cancun for the purpose of visiting a few Maya sites.
Cancun is a beach resort popular with Europeans, Canadians, Mexicans, and Americans, on the Caribbean coast. I really don’t care much for beaches, but it’s a good location for day trips to Tulum and Chichen Itza.
I figure a good time to visit is the fourth week of March, specifically Tue 21st through Friday 24.th Monday 20th is a holiday, so by the 21st things will have emptied out. At least of Mexican nationals.
There are two obstacles. One is work. I’ve no idea how work will be then. No question no one will say a word if I request four days vacation now and take them then, even if new projects later pop up due around that time. But it looks bad. On the other hand, the weather gets really hot by April, never mind May or June. Also late spring is the beginning of hurricane season. Odds of a hurricane hitting while I’m there are small, but rain is far more likely at that time as well.
The other is that I know nothing about Cancun or the environs. Like what is a good location for a hotel, whether I should rent a car there or join a day tour for the sites I’m interested in, etc.
I expect I’ll be busy looking up hotels and tours for the next week.
Trump is in a foaming-at-the-mouth fury at Salena Zito (a former Trump admirer) and the New York Post for publishing a piece apparently favorable to Ron DeSantis:
http://www.thehill.com/homenews/3866373-trump-rages-against-new-york-post-after-desantis-profile
It surprises me how often people that work for a corporation fail to understand what policies they have agreed to in writing actually mean in practice, despite sitting through training that couldn’t be more clear and direct. It often boils down to, “Those policies apply to bad people with bad intent, and we all know that I’m a good person, so I’ll just explain what I really meant and all should be forgotten.” Sometimes it’s the person you would expect, say some guy who was “just complimenting” a female coworker by telling her she had a tight ass. But more times than I would expect is someone in a protected class who thinks that the rules are only meant to protect them, not others. So even with policies that say, “publicly commenting on a person’s religion in a negative way is grounds for a “first warning” or “using a racial epithet is a firing offense”, some employees feel that since they are a minority themselves it is “just speaking truth” when they declare to a colleague that “black actors don’t win Oscars because you Jews control Hollywood”, or they get angry with a white colleague and call them an ignorant redneck cracker, that they shouldn’t held to account.
The employee I’m most concerned about nowadays is a woman and a member of another protected class that simply has no filter. She will often make a joke laden with sexual connotations and then laughingly call out the name of her HR rep, as if she thinks that pointing out she knows it is inappropriate somehow mitigates it. I can’t count the number of times I’ve been in the break room with her and found myself steering the conversation away from dangerous areas. Bottom line, a company can and should fire someone for making racially insensitive remarks But if that employee can show that we allowed the same type of behavior from a different employee and did not terminate them, well they have a lawsuit ready made. So if you can’t abide by the written terms of employment when it comes to how you interact with your fellow employees, then you shouldn’t work at that company.
I can only find this on Axios (and sites quoting Axios)
https://www.axios.com/2023/02/20/kevin-mccarthy-tucker-carlson-jan-6-riot-footage
(my emphasis)
“Sources” aren’t verifiable, of course.
If it were true, could it be legal?
@gVOR08: @CSK: Everybody hates competition in a saturated market. 🙁
@Kathy: you would be paying in part to have your data mined better.
There are lots of things that they infer about you, based on information you have given them, which they would then know as a fact if they have your verified identity.
@gVOR08: Are MTG’s constituents aware that she no longer thinks Trump has a plan to take down an international pedophile ring?
That’s heresy in certain circles. Part of her charm is that she believes batshit insane things — it’s why they voted for her.
@MarkedMan:
I think there’s a big difference between harrassing your coworkers in the break room and being able to continue public participation outside of work, particularly when the employer is also publicly participating.
e.g. Should a corporation be able to make it’s employees sign an agreement to never disparage a Republican in any forum and then fire them based on violating that agreement?
@Stormy Dragon:
Should they? Probably not. Should they be allowed? Of course.
But if a newspaper says employees should not publicly disparage the paper or the other employees that work there, I have no problem with that. Debate the policies, opinionate about the facts, fine. But if you absolutely feel you have to publicly call out your coworkers by name or trash the company, then quit and do so.
@Stormy Dragon: As to the need to unionize so the employer cannot fire you if you trash a fellow employee, well that fellow employee will be in the union too. On what grounds would the union side with the disparager?
@CSK:
I believe that Russian Tool Green is calling for Biden’s impeachment over the Ukraine visit. RTG is on a roll…
@anjin-san:
MTG specifically mentioned “grifters and liars that our base believe [sic].” That doesn’t sound as if she means Biden.
The biggest grifter and liar is Trump. But she wants to be his veep.
Florida is considering a ‘classical and Christian’ alternative to the SAT
@MarkedMan:
I imagine the union’s stance would be that the issue should be resolved without negatively impacting the employment of either employee…
@Stormy Dragon:
Why? The union is caught in a bad place here but the issue is pretty clear cut from a membership stance. One union member publicly attacked another. The union is pretty much forced to take sides and it’s hard to see why they would take the side of the disparager. What kind of precedent would that set?
@MarkedMan:
So in your mind, once any member of the union takes a public position on a particular subject, no one else in the union is allowed to publicly disagree with them?
@restless: Seems to me that McCarthy gave government property to a profit making private corporation. Something tells me that is not allowed.
@Stormy Dragon: Having looked at the sample test items at the site, I’m having difficulty seeing why it constituytes a “Christian” alternative to the tests currently available. On the other hand, I’m not so inclined to believe that testing (or education at large or commerce for that matter) is particularly “Christian” in any meaningful way. I can, however, celebrate with them in having designed yet another entry in a standardized testing bureaucracy that measures almost nothing worth knowing, and having added obscurer and less readable samples than previous tests use. That part is an accomplishment of sorts at least.
@MarkedMan: @Stormy Dragon: It looks to me like neither of you has actually ever been employed under a union contract. [sigh]
@MarkedMan:
@Gustopher:
I’ve a vague understanding of why someone would want to pay for verification, but still think the whole thing is effed up. Like Stephen King said Twitter should be paying him, not the other way around.
My take is that the very successful, however one defines success, model of data mining that worked before is not longer working that well, and these companies need to suck up money from somewhere/someone else.
IMO, Zuckerberg may need a lot of things, but more money isn’t one of them.
@Just nutha ignint cracker:
There could be a science curriculum where Pi=3.0000000000000000, the Earth is about 6,000 years old, the dinosaurs died in The Flood, etc.
@Just nutha ignint cracker: In general, business calling itself “Christian” just means that they are going to slap a Jesus fish on everything, and hide all of their grift behind Bible verses. And then tearfully repent if they get caught, but only after cashing the checks.
@Just nutha ignint cracker: Correct! And the only (indirect) experience I have with a union rep getting involved with an employee on employee complaint it was an argument and ended with a shove. The union rep made sure the terminated employee got everything he was supposed to but made no effort to defend him. Obviously, not the same type of case.
Presidents Day
I have seen two Presidents USA up close.
Actually Nixon was only a candidate in 1960 when my dad took me to the Rochester-Monroe County (NY) Airport to see Tricky Dick at a campaign stop. I was 12 years old. All I remember is looking through a fence to the tarmack and seeing him at the top of the stairs in front of the door to the airplane waving at the crowd.
The other was President Clinton when he gave a speech at Southern Illinois University in Carbondale in September 1995. I did not get to see the speech live as I was working however just before Clinton’s motorcade was returning to the airport the local police came into an office I was working at and told us that the Presidents motorcade would stop right in front of our building to greet citizens. There were maybe 20 people in a crowd right at the edge of the street when the big black limo stopped and Clinton got out and shook hands. One woman was so excited I thought that she would pass out. I had my camera and got a shot of him exiting the car and one close up when he was greeting people and then ran out of film. (remember film?)
Clinton had visited the SIU campus in 1991 before he announced his candidacy.
Bill Clinton visits Sleepytown U
@Grommit Gunn: Well, yeah.
@OzarkHillbilly:
Hard to imagine FOX looking forward to the publicity of a trial.
This.
Speaking as a union carpenter, the union is NOT forced to take a side. They do NOT have a dog in that fight. We fought and argued all the time. STFW? If we could not do our job in spite of our differences, the contractor could lay off one or the other or both.
I’m pretty sure the rules of press unions are different, but they still don’t have to take a side. They always have the option of saying, “Grow the F up.”
So Ron DeFascist now openly supports allowing Putin’s fascist, genocidal takeover of Ukraine. Because of course he does.
Just want to note that it is done all the time. Everything from unemployment #s to weather to interest rates to pending bills to census #’s etc etc etc. There may be an exception regards to this particular information, but I suspect if he gave it to FOX and refused to give it to other media corporations he and FOX would find themselves mired in some deep legal quagmires.
A shove? That’s pretty dawgdamned mild. I once had a coworker get a chain wrapped around his rib cage.
@Michael Cain:
And we should be glad of that.
When someone is telling me to not write things down, that’s going to make me 100% sure to write everything down. I need notes. I need records of what I did. I need to store them where they won’t be automatically deleted in 30 days or whatever the email retention policy is.
If I need to write a promo doc for Fritz down the hall, it’s so much easier if I have key things in writing. And I’ll need anything for my own promo doc.
And who knows what about Project Redline? I need to keep that stuff written down because my memory is shit.
All written down where it is very discoverable.
@charon:
Would you be as quick to respond that way if it were Fox News threatening their employees if they were criticizing the company’s promotion of conspiracy theories?
In particular, journalists generally at least attempt to pay lip service to a code of ethics.
Here’s the Society of Professional Journalists.
https://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
I can see lots of clauses there that might require journalists to speak up publicly.
(The NYTimes published ethical standards are less expansive, being more like “what can you do for The NY Times,” rather than a responsibility to the public)
@Gustopher:
I do not believe any newspaper, any magazine, any source of editorial content would be OK with paid staff people freelancing commentary on its content – because of the special way the public would evaluate such people as representing the organization. I see no reason that would not go for Fox the same as any other source of editorial content.
@dazedandconfused: As an aside…..JFC, can you imagine how much that tattoo on the palm of his hand hurt?! I have tattoos in some sensitive places, but I would NEVER get one on the palm of my hand.
@charon:
Plus:
Where an organization has existing published rules for employee conduct, employees should expect that violating said rules might well provoke a reaction, maybe some consequences even.