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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter

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  1. EddieInCA says:

    Yep. As predicted on Tuesday around 2am, this week sucked.

    2am on Friday, and still three hours of shooting left. Fraturday!

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  2. Teve says:

    Windsor store posts sign barring those who received the COVID-19 vaccine from shopping inside

    WINDSOR, ONT. — A local health and wellness business has posted a sign informing customers that they will not be allowed to enter the store if they have received a COVID-19 vaccine.

    Tony Pantalleresco, owner of Herb Plus Beadworks on Ottawa Street posted the sign on the front door of his business stating: “Please note to ensure the safety of our employees and existing clients, the shop is not allowing anyone in who has taken the experimental vaccine.”

    Pantalleresco says if you’re vaccinated, you cannot come into the store.

    “It’s not that simple,” he says. “No shoes, no shirt, no service. I’m now dealing with genetics. This is what I’m saying. We don’t have enough data right now to say that these are safe. They are obviously not safe that’s why they are now pulling it off the mark.”

    Alison Thompson, a public health ethicist at the University of Toronto says she believes there is some misunderstanding about the nature of the mRNA vaccines.

    “These are RNA vaccines they are not vaccines that affect DNA and it sounds to me like what might be going on here is there is a fear of genetic mutation occurring that might be transferable to other people and this is where the science is misunderstood by this individual,” she says.

    There are business risks to consider as well.

    “Anytime anybody wants to restrict access to their private business that’s their prerogative,” Thompson says. “This borders on a discrimination about people’s biological status. We are typically hearing about people doing the opposite saying unless you have a vaccine you aren’t allowed to attend a concert or enter a premises.”

    Thompson says the debate of vaccine passports still rages.

    “This is the inverse of that so at first glance you think if you can justify it one way, you would be able to justify it in the reverse, but in this case there is no scientific basis for the reason to exclude someone from the store,” she says.

    As an essential healthcare service, Pantalleresco says those vaccinated can still use curbside pick-up.

    “The insurances are not going to support you if something goes wrong,” he says. “If somebody comes in your store, somebody gets sick from being in contact because they’ve had the injectable because it’s a program, then what. Then something can happen because we are going to lose our business. We are losing our businesses anyway because of this bad policy.”

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  3. Teve says:

    This sucks. Where am I going to get my homeopathic organic alkaline cayenne kombucha cleanses now? My chakras are going to be Fucked.

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  4. Teve says:

    New conservative group would save ‘Anglo-Saxon’ traditions

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Hard-right House Republicans on Friday were discussing forming an America First Caucus, which one document described as championing “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” and warning that mass immigration was putting the “unique identity” of the U.S. at risk.

    The Associated Press obtained a copy of the paper, which was first reported by Punchbowl News, a news outlet covering Capitol Hill. The AP could not independently confirm the organization’s origins or current status, but Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., said he was joining and indicated that fellow conservative Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., was behind it.

    The document was being circulated as the GOP is struggling to determine a clear direction as it prepares to try winning back control of the House and Senate in the 2022 elections. Among the party’s divisions are how closely to tack behind Donald Trump, and the caucus’ seven-page policy platform clearly embraces the former president’s world view.

    “The America First Caucus (AFC) exists to promote Congressional policies that are to the long-term benefit of the American nation,” it begins. It says the group aims to “follow in President Trump’s footsteps, and potentially step on some toes and sacrifice sacred cows for the good of the American nation.”

    The group calls for limiting legal immigration “to those that can contribute not only economically, but have demonstrated respect for this nation’s culture and rule of law.” It voices support for infrastructure “that reflects the architectural, engineering and aesthetic value that befits the progeny of European architecture.”

    In a striking criticism, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., issued a tweet that an aide confirmed was aimed at the group.

    “America is built on the idea that we are all created equal and success is earned through honest, hard work. It isn’t built on identity, race, or religion,” McCarthy wrote. “The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln & the party of more opportunity for all Americans—not nativist dog whistles.”

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  5. Mikey says:

    @Teve: Just goes to show America has no monopoly on imbeciles.

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  6. Teve says:

    @nytimes

    Breaking News: After backlash, the White House abruptly reversed course on the number of refugees it will allow into the U.S., saying it will increase a Trump-era cap on admissions next month. It did not specify a number.

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  7. gVOR08 says:

    @Teve:

    McCarthy wrote. “The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln & the party of more opportunity for all Americans—not nativist dog whistles.

    Like many Republicans, Kevin McCarthy seems reluctant to face up to what the Republican Party is.

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  8. Teve says:

    @gVOR08: ITS THE PARTY OF LINCOLN DAMMIT

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  9. Kingdaddy says:

    @Teve: When you’re freed from committee work, you have plenty of time to write in your daily white supremacist journal.

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  10. Mikey says:

    @Teve:

    “The America First Caucus (AFC) exists to promote Congressional policies that are to the long-term benefit of the American nation,” it begins. It says the group aims to “follow in President Trump’s footsteps, and potentially step on some toes and sacrifice sacred cows for the good of the American nation.”

    The group calls for limiting legal immigration “to those that can contribute not only economically, but have demonstrated respect for this nation’s culture and rule of law.” It voices support for infrastructure “that reflects the architectural, engineering and aesthetic value that befits the progeny of European architecture.”

    This isn’t a “dog whistle,” it’s straight-up overt fascism as loud as a locomotive horn.

    I don’t know what it is about architecture and fascists, but that goes way back too.

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  11. Teve says:

    @Mikey: “strength, pride, and power”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_architecture

    None of your swoopy swervy decadent Gehry bullshit. 😛

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  12. CSK says:

    @Doug Mataconis:
    Junior sullied the good name of Liberty University when he and his wife took up with the pool boy.

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  13. Teve says:

    Vartan Gregorian Dies at 87.

    Heckuva guy.

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  14. CSK says:

    @Teve:
    The obit in the NYTimes is good, too.

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  15. Teve says:

    @CSK: when I get reemployed I’m going to have to reactivate my New York Times subscription, I’m just missing out too much stuff only having a WaPo subscription. The Atlantic digital-only is 50 bucks, I think I might have to do that one too.

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  16. Slugger says:

    @Mikey: Hey, I’ve read The Fountainhead. This architecture business, are they trying to cancel Ayn Rand?

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  17. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy denounces “Anglo-Saxon” caucus, but will he have the courage to do anything about it?

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mccarthy-gop-caucus-platform-promotes-anglo-saxon-political-traditions

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  18. Teve says:

    @Doug Mataconis: some wag on Twitter called them the KKKaren Party.

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  19. 40 years ago the Space Shuttle Columbia returns from its first mission. The first time we sent a manned mission into orbit and it returned successfully to be used agsin.

    Columbia would continue in service until 2003 when it was destroyed in a horrible accident while returning to Earth

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  20. Florida House of Representatives passes bill t h.g that would ban transgender athletes from eom women’s and girl’s sports.

    This is based on a combination of bigotry and politics pandering

    Among other things this bill would allow genetic testing, testing of testosterone levels, and INSPECTION OF GENITAL ANATOMY.

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2021/04/14/florida-house-passes-bill-banning-transgender-athletes-from-womens-sports/

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  21. Teve says:

    “We all know someone who is more outraged by Colin Kaepernick’s knee than Derek Chauvin’s…No one hates like a Christian who’s just been told their hate isn’t Christian.” – @JohnFugelsang

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  22. Teve says:

    @Doug Mataconis: that gives me an excuse to repost an excellent piece of long-form journalism:

    Columbia’s Last Flight

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  23. Sleeping Dog says:

    @Doug Mataconis:

    Curious, what does DeSantis do? He has presidential aspirations and these anti-trans bill only speak to the base. Does he satisfy the base and dig himself a hole with the broader voters that do not support these attacks on trans-gendered kids? Inquiring minds want to know.

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  24. @Sleeping Dog: I would put money on satisfying the base.

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  25. CSK says:

    Sleeping Dog:
    That’s going to be a quandary for any Republican candidate for national office: Go all-out Trump, make the base happy, alienate everyone else, and lose, or kiss off the base and lose?

    On a statewide or municipal level it’s a lot easier. Charlie Baker can make his disdain for Trump obvious, which he has, numerous times, and still win the governorship of Massachusetts if he wants to do so. Charlie Baker for president? Forget it. The Trumpkins loathe him.

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  26. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: Correction: Sullied whatever minimal reputation Liberty University possessed when they…

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  27. Teve says:

    The new BMW M4 looks pretty sweet. That said, the roofline from a-pillar to c-pillar is obviously a poorly-disguised theft from a Porsche 911.

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  28. CSK says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Well, it’s difficult to maintain your reputation as a Godly institution upholding the highest values of faith and family when your chief executive and his wife are having a three-way with the pool boy.

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  29. @Sleeping Dog:

    Not sure but this bill has to pass the State Senate before DeSantis needs to address it

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  30. Teve says:

    @ehananoki

    Actor Jim Caviezel appeared at a right-wing COVID conspiracy theorist conference yesterday and promoted the QAnon blood-harvesting conspiracy theory about “the adrenochroming of children.” (clip 1/2)

    idiot

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  31. @CSK:

    Same goes for Phil Scott in Vermont and Larry Hogan in Maryland

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  32. The rise of the “America First Caucus” is a further sign that the Trump Cult formerly known as the Republican Party is transforming into a white nativist party.

    https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/gop-s-new-america-first-caucus-follows-some-blatantly-white-n1264361

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  33. Teve says:

    I wish I could remember the politician or right-wing media commentator who said in 2015 or 16, paraphrasing, ‘we’re not going to nominate Trump. If we nominated Trump that would prove the Liberals were right about us all along.’

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  34. @Teve:

    Many of my friends who are libertarian leaning conservatives have told me that Trump’s candidacy and nomination was a turning point for them that caused them to realize that all the critics of the GOP are right.

    These range from conservative Never Trunpers to people like Max Boot who essentially walked away from conservatism altogetherm

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  35. CSK says:

    @Teve:
    In May 2016, Lindsey Graham said: “If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed…and we will deserve it.”

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  36. Sleeping Dog says:

    @Teve:

    As long as you always park it so you are approaching it from the rear, you really don’t want to look at that fugly grill. Best advice if you want one, is a dark color, black is best, with the optional black kidneys

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  37. Monala says:

    @Teve: People on Twitter are having fun with this one. A few samples:

    Talia Lavin
    @chick_in_kiev
    upholding anglo saxon traditions by falling into a ditch, cutting myself on a branch and dying within a week of a fever where i cant stop shitting

    Peter Crighton #BLM#WeAreStarfleet
    @trashman101
    ·
    20h
    Replying to
    @chick_in_kiev
    and
    @LOLGOP
    I’m going to honour Anglo Saxon tradition by living in a hut made of hay & cattle dung then die if the plague while people 8000 miles away have street lighting & theorise about atomic physics.

    Nationalist Dracula Flag of United StatesWoman vampire
    @ToriGlass
    ·
    19h
    Replying to
    @chick_in_kiev
    upholding anglo saxon traditions by dying of the plague, but at least it freed up the economy for the people who survived!!

    drey
    @OldDreyfusard
    ·
    19h
    Replying to
    @chick_in_kiev
    upholding Anglo-Saxon traditions by holding the land in common and treating people who try to parcel off and privatize that which is held in common as abusive tyrants

    Replying to
    @chick_in_kiev
    Upholding Anglo-Saxon tradition by getting my ass kicked by a bunch of Norse Frenchmen, being forced to learn French, and raising pigs while living in a drafty thatch-roofed cabin.

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  38. grumpy realist says:

    @Teve: Ahhhummm…so what does that “Anglo-Saxon” stuff mean? Obviously pre-Norman invasion (1066 and all that), nothing from Rome or the Roman Catholic Church….

    So let’s see…are we going to go back to fifth and sixth century Irish legal traditions? Would be an interesting legal code but you’d better also bone up on your Gaelic….after all, you wouldn’t want any of that nasty Latin influencing you, right?

    (Idiots.)

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  39. Ivanka Trump gets vaccinated and posts about it on social media.

    The Trump Cult responds by attacking her.

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/548397-ivanka-trumps-vaccination-sparks-backlash-among

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  40. gVOR08 says:

    @Sleeping Dog: Before he can run for prez DeUseless has to get re-elected gov next year. Here in FL energizing the base works pretty well. But – last election was close and he may have a better opponent this time. And more U Hauls arrive from the North every day.

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  41. Scott O says:

    @Doug Mataconis: If Falwell had been banging the pool boy’s wife while the pool boy watched instead of the other way around he would have become a right wing hero. Maybe even Trump*/Falwell 2024.

    * Senior or junior.

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  42. Not too long ago, New York became the biggest state to adopt ranked choice voting. It’s been used in several elections since then but it’s big rollout will come in June with the primary vote for Mayor of New York City. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

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  43. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: Lindsey was still running for Prez at that point. He changed his tune just fine when the a new song served his interests.

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  44. CSK says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Actually Graham dropped out of the 2016 race in mid-December 2015.

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  45. flat earth luddite says:

    @Teve: Where’s a sniggering laugh emoji when you really need one?

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  46. flat earth luddite says:

    @Teve:
    Actually I think you’re maligning idiots by calling him one. But the words I’d use are unsuitable.

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  47. It looks like the “Anglo-Saxon” caucus is already deas

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/17/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-america-first-caucus/index.html

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  48. CSK says:

    @Doug Mataconis:
    She’s now claiming that the draft proposal came “from an outside group I hadn’t read.”

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  49. @CSKi

    I saw that

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  50. Gustopher says:

    @Teve:

    As an essential healthcare service, Pantalleresco says those vaccinated can still use curbside pick-up.

    Yes, Herb Plus Beadworks is definitely an essential healthcare service.

    Also, they should restrict the curbside pickup to electric vehicles only.

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  51. Gustopher says:

    @Teve: If a Hollywood dude believes a theory that everyone in Hollywood is raping children and harvesting their adrenal glands… we might want to check out that Hollywood dude. Just sayin’.

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  52. JohnSF says:

    @Teve:
    911? Looks more reminiscent of a Nissan 300/350 to me, at first glance.

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  53. CSK says:

    @Gustopher:
    The other attendees at this festival of lunacy were Mike Flynn, Mike Lindell, Sidney Powell, and L. in Wood.

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  54. JohnSF says:

    @grumpy realist:
    And what about Jutes, eh? Eh?

    (My local Anglo-Saxon tribe were the Hwicce. One translation of which might be “The Wise Guys”, LOL.)

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  55. NASA awards $2.9:billion contract to build the new moon lander for Project Artemos

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/16/science/spacex-moon-nasa.html

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  56. Joe says:

    In May 2016, Lindsey Graham said: “If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed…and we will deserve it.”

    @CSK: He thought he was talking about at the 2016 polls. He was wrong only about the timing of the fall.

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  57. Teve says:

    @CSK: yeah I’ve heard that Graham quote a lot but the quote I’m thinking of was different and closer to my paraphrase, but damned if I’m drawing a complete blank every time I try to think of who said it.

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  58. Teve says:

    @JohnSF: the roof line looks so 911 that I can’t find a profile shot of the car, only head-on and quarter profile. I think they’re trying to hide how obvious it is. Or I’ve just been a Porsche nut for 30 years and I’m seeing what I want to see.

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  59. Teve says:

    @Doug Mataconis:

    Many of my friends who are libertarian leaning conservatives have told me that Trump’s candidacy and nomination was a turning point for them that caused them to realize that all the critics of the GOP are right.

    and sadly, as you noted w/r/t the ‘anglo-saxon caucus’, it’s getting worse. Trump wasn’t a fever dream they’re shaking off, but more like a base camp to party at before resuming the trek onwards and upwards.

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  60. JohnSF says:

    @Teve:
    Just found this pic and I see what you mean. Oh dear BM.
    Personally still take the Jag over either.
    Or maybe the Alpine.

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  61. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Teve: Another Graham quote from back nearer to 2012 was to the effect that the GOP needed to change because they were running out of “angry old white guys.” Is that what you are thinking of?

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  62. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @JohnSF: WA! I didn’t even know that Alpines were still being made. And that Renault had purchased Sunbeam (which really shows my age).

    No link button so picture goes here: https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=uOrLPtrf&id=08CF48BA95AB941D58C0388D6E2032DE4DEFF478&thid=OIP.uOrLPtrf-eMfvy7Hu0ryzQHaE8&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fupload.wikimedia.org%2fwikipedia%2fcommons%2fthumb%2fc%2fc7%2f1962_Sunbeam_Alpine_Series_II_Roadster_(12231417954).jpg%2f1200px-1962_Sunbeam_Alpine_Series_II_Roadster_(12231417954).jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fRb8eacb3edadff9e31fbf2ec7bb4af2cd%3frik%3dePTvTd4yIG6NOA%26pid%3dImgRaw&exph=800&expw=1200&q=sunbeam+alpine&simid=608029483565281852&ck=8B795AE587F7782C3239AB24400831C8&selectedIndex=0&FORM=IRPRST&idpp=overlayview&ajaxhist=0

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  63. Mike in Arlington says:

    @Teve: the commander thinks aloud by the long winters.
    https://youtu.be/kdtIjnpeolE

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  64. JohnSF says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Renault revived it some 10 years back IIRC.
    But the Renault and the Sunbeam Alpines are different lineages.
    The Renault one was French, started with the separate company Auotomobiles Alpines in the 50’s IIRC.
    The Sunbeam one was British, a Rootes Group product.

    My father had one of these back in the late 60s/early 70’s when he worked for Rootes/Chrysler UK

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  65. JohnSF says:

    @JohnSF:
    Thinking about it, as Renault now own Alpine, and Peugeot are the legatees of Rootes , so it could be a French Alpine (pronounced Al-peen) vs Alpine (pronounced Al-pyne) fight. LOL.

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  66. Teve says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker: no, I have a very clear memory of somebody saying ‘we can’t nominate Trump, if we nominate Trump it’ll prove the liberals were right all along’, but in early November 2016, events conspired such that I entered a two month long bender and I don’t trust my memories, but it feels like it really happened.

    Maybe one day Google will direct my memories to the sendero luminoso of truth.

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  67. Teve says:

    @Teve: (for the record, I mean sendero luminoso literally, not Sendero Luminoso the communist cult nutjobs)

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  68. JohnSF says:

    @Teve:

    Maybe one day Google will direct my memories to the sendero luminoso of truth.

    Anyone else noticed that Google search for OTB is not returning results it should before c. 2020?

    “events conspired such that I entered a … bender and I don’t trust my memories”

    I call this “the 1990’s”.
    I liked the 1990’s.
    Probably.

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  69. Teve says:

    @JohnSF: LOL. I do have some good memories of my 30s. There are also a few bars in downtown Raleigh I could sneak back into at this point. If ownership has changed. 😛

    I vaguely remember a line from Peter O’Toole or John Barrymore, “Don’t ask what you did last night. It is better not to know.”

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  70. CSK says:

    @JohnSF: @Teve:
    There was a saying to the effect that if you could remember the sixties, you weren’t really there.

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  71. Gustopher says:

    @CSK: I can understand how a former-coke-addict in the pillow business might believe the Q stuff, but Flynn always surprised me — hasn’t he been at a level where he would have been offered child endocrines? Or at least worked with people trying to actively stop it?

    He’s a true believer. Does he really believe Trump had meetings on his schedule to break up a globalist pedophile ring? Was he always wondering why none of his classified briefings during his short tenure as National Security Advisor just skipped over US/Globalist-Pedophile-Ring-That-Runs-The-World relations?

    @Doug Mataconis:

    Among other things this bill would allow genetic testing, testing of testosterone levels, and INSPECTION OF GENITAL ANATOMY.

    On the other hand, there are powerful people passing laws to allow genital inspections of teenagers… if that’s not a globalist pedophile ring letting the sheet slip, I don’t know, man.

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  72. Gustopher says:

    After spending the lead up to Easter watching every version of Jesus Christ Superstar I could find, and slowly beginning to get used to the “new” song, “Couldn’t We Just Start Again?”…

    My Spotify just played AJR’s “Can We Skip To The Good Part?” and if someone wanted to make Jesus Christ Snuff-Film, that would absolutely have to go in there where someone would like to get to crucifying Jesus already.

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  73. JohnSF says:

    Thing is, I do remember. Never had the amnesiac thing a lot of people seem to.
    Which is a bit cringe inducing at times. Though the exact sequence may be blurry.
    Just sometimes more diplomatic to pretend memory failure.

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  74. JohnSF says:

    @CSK:
    Well, I remember the 90’s (ackshully c.95/05 ) and I’m pretty damn sure I was there. Or thereabouts.
    Whether it was on exactly the same planet is another matter.

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  75. JohnSF says:

    @Gustopher:

    “….passing laws to allow genital inspections”

    I’d rather have a full bottle in front of me than inspect genital anatomy.

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  76. DrDaveT says:

    @Teve:

    an America First Caucus, which one document described as championing “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” and warning that mass immigration was putting the “unique identity” of the U.S. at risk.

    Absolutely. We need to push back against all of that pernicious German, Irish, and Italian influence in America. I mean, they’re starting to expect to be treated the same as real people.

    While we’re at it, let’s make the official national language Anglish.

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