Sunday’s Forum

James Joyner
About James Joyner
James Joyner is Professor and Department Head of Security Studies at Marine Corps University's Command and Staff College and a nonresident senior fellow at the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security at the Atlantic Council. He's a former Army officer and Desert Storm vet. Views expressed here are his own. Follow James on Twitter @DrJJoyner.


  1. Kathy says:

    My new TV finally arrived.

    It’s interesting how after months of not having one, I lost the habit of how to work the remote for the cable box. I couldn’t even recall which of two available remotes I used. It took a few minutes of trying them to recall the muscle memory involved. If I look at them I kind of draw a blank.

    It’s my first smart TV, too. IMO, “smart” these days means ” a computer that does something else” That is, a smart phone is a computer that makes phone calls. A smart TV is a computer that plays video.

    In that sense, the TV is not as smart as the phone, but it’s getting there. Phones took over a myriad other functions, because we had no portable appliance that did all that (mostly as a means of mining data, which can be done as easily on a TV). Any time now, I expect games and other apps to show up. After all, the streaming services, the “smart” part of the TV that requires an internet connection, works by running streaming apps on the TV.

    We’re getting close to where a robot revolt could happen.

  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Small Crimes@JasMoneyRecords
    Oct 15
    I’ve been laughing at this for 27 consecutive hours like why he smack him like that??

  3. OzarkHillbilly says:

    For all the writers here.

  4. CSK says:

    That is funny.

  5. Jim Brown 32 says:

    Yesterday Dr Joyner commented that a person can’t chase someone down and claim self defense. This is absolutely false and cognitive dissonance in action.

    Remember the prior expositions about how the law only considered factors occurring at moment deadly force is dispensed? Not what happened in context?

    The law doesn’t care if you were chased down or provoked. If you do chase an unarmed person down, you merely have to engage in a physical altercation first, then shoot and claim you were afraid they’d take your gun and kill you with it.

    KR was armed, the skateboard guy nor the first guy killed were not obligated to wait to be shot before defending themselves…regardless of if they pursued him or not.

    In a perfect world these losers would have all smoked each other and left America a better place.

    BTW, this is all common knowledge of the “good guys with guns” crowd. They know the holes in the law so if anyone is hoping for some justice for their family after one of these yahoos shoots… its never going to be quite so easy. Better to take your own chances with a jury than have your family taking a limo ride.

  6. CSK says:
  7. Mikey says:

    Contrast all the due process and stellar legal representation Kyle Rittenhouse got with the treatment given Michael Reinoehl, who shot a far-right protester in Portland.

    ‘Straight to Gunshots’: How a U.S. Task Force Killed an Antifa Activist

    On Sept. 3, about 120 miles north of Portland, Mr. Reinoehl was getting into his Volkswagen station wagon when a pair of unmarked sport utility vehicles roared through the quiet streets, screeching to a halt just in front of his bumper. Members of a U.S. Marshals task force jumped out and unleashed a hail of bullets that shattered windows, whizzed past bystanders and left Mr. Reinoehl dead in the street.

    Attorney General William P. Barr trumpeted the operation as a “significant accomplishment” that removed a “violent agitator.” The officers had opened fire, he said, when Mr. Reinoehl “attempted to escape arrest” and “produced a firearm” during the encounter. But a reconstruction of what happened that night, based on the accounts of people who witnessed the confrontation and the preliminary findings of investigators, produces a much different picture — one that raises questions about whether law enforcement officers made any serious attempt to arrest Mr. Reinoehl before killing him.

    22 witnesses say there was no attempt to arrest him at all.

    President Trump, who has described the racial justice protests that have roiled the nation as the work of lawless criminals, praised the operation.

    “This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him,” the president told Fox News. “And I will tell you something, that’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution when you have crime like this.”

    Retribution. Not an arrest, not a trial, not a scintilla of the due process the Constitution supposedly guarantees. Just an extra-judicial execution.

    Reinoehl claimed he fired in self-defense when he killed the far-right protester. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, but we’ll never see it decided in court because they didn’t even bother to arrest him.

  8. Sleeping Dog says:


    Well, it’s TX, wait for the Ted Cruz tweet supporting the student

  9. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: As WaterGirl over at Balloon Juice said, easily repurposed too:

    You could substitute “how’s your thesis coming?” “do you have a girlfriend yet?” “when are you guys gonna get married?” etc.

  10. CSK says:

    @Sleeping Dog:
    Not even Cruz would touch this with a 10-foot pole. I know I shouldn’t be shocked, but I can’t imagine how any school district would tolerate this for an instant. If I’d been the teacher I’d have slugged the bitch.

    Or maybe “Donald Trump’s re-election prospects look really good.”

  11. Sleeping Dog says:


    Perhaps I’m being overly cynical and since I’m an avowed cynic, I’m really in a dark place on this, but she will have lots and lots of supporters and be a heroine to the right. The school may suspend her, but her parent’s will back her (where else did she get permission for that agency) and it will be another skirmish in the culture war.

  12. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: That’s not funny. 😉

  13. OzarkHillbilly says:

    God Creating Animals

    God: you’re a cow.
    Cow: ok.
    God: you’re baby is a calf.
    Cow: ask me why I’m tired after giving birth.
    God: w-what?
    Cow: ask me why I’m tired after giving birth.
    God: why are you tired after giving birth?
    Cow: i’m decalfeinated : )

    Cow: someone’s laughtose intolerant

  14. CSK says:

    @Sleeping Dog:
    Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I’m wondering if the girl’s mother hung up on her and that’s why she hurled the phone and stomped out of the room. I also think that most people who approve of what she did will have the brains to keep quiet about it. There is no justification for that kind of behavior. None.

    Didn’t say it was. It would make me cry.

  15. Kathy says:
  16. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: Good point.

  17. OzarkHillbilly says:


    Sununu was scathing when asked about the call for those members to be stripped of their committee assignments in the same week that only two Republicans – vocal Trump critics Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger – voted to censure their colleague Paul Gosar for tweeting a video showing him murdering the Democratic congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

    “That’s kind of that social media mob mentality that’s built up in this country where we don’t agree with one issue so we’re going to attack them, we’re going to vilify one person or one individual. We’ve got to get beyond that, because culturally, it’s really, really ruining America,” he said.

    Politics in its entirety on both sides of the aisle in Washington is screwed up. They got their priorities all wrong, they focus on the wrong things. They don’t talk about balancing budgets, fixing healthcare, immigration reform, social security and Medicare … instead we spend all of our time focusing on these nitpicky things.”

    Yes, both sides. The DEMs with all their horse wrangling as they try to “balance budgets, fix healthcare, pass immigration reform, sustain social security and Medicare” are just as bad as the Republicans who not only refuse to participate but actively attempt to block everything.

    You go Sununu. It’s hard to believe you can see well enough to type with your head so far up your ass.

    ETA: not to mention trying to save democracy.

  18. Sleeping Dog says:

    Hmmm, what’s going on in the Bay Area, this is the second such incident in a couple of days, plus there was an article about a rash of garage break-ins in SF.

    France is sounding better and better.

  19. senyordave says:

    The NYT has an article about the attempts in Wisconsin by Republicans to take over the election process in the state. From the article:
    Republicans in Wisconsin are engaged in an all-out assault on the state’s election system, building off their attempts to challenge the results of the 2020 presidential race by pressing to give themselves full control over voting in the state.
    the Trump-aligned sheriff of Racine County, the state’s fifth most populous county, recommended felony charges against five of the six members of the election commission for guidance they had given to municipal clerks early in the pandemic. The Republican majority leader of the state Senate later seemed to give a green light to that proposal, saying that “prosecutors around the state” should determine whether to bring charges.
    My favorite part is that Ron Johnson has determined that the only wat to guarantee fair elections in Wisconsin is for the Republicans to take controls:
    Johnson said that GOP state lawmakers should unilaterally assert control of federal elections, claiming that they had the authority to do so even if Gov. Tony Evers, a Democrat, stood in their way — an extraordinary legal argument debunked by a 1932 Supreme Court decision and a 1964 ruling from the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

  20. CSK says:

    According to the NYT, Stephen Hayes and Jonah Goldberg have quit as Fox commentators because of Tucker Carlson’s Patriot Purge, an attempted whitewashing of Jan. 6. Carlson is saying that all the mayhem in the Capitol was caused by Deep State provocateurs and BLM/Antifa members.

    Trump must adore Carlson.

  21. Jax says:

    An SUV has plowed through a Holiday Parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin. It’s being called a mass casualty event. 😐

  22. Jax says:

    What are the odds it’s a nut job who thought they were protesters?