Trump’s Last Saturday Forum

James Joyner
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James Joyner is Professor and Department Head of Security Studies at Marine Corps University's Command and Staff College and a nonresident senior fellow at the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security at the Atlantic Council. He's a former Army officer and Desert Storm vet. Views expressed here are his own. Follow James on Twitter @DrJJoyner.


  1. Mikey says:

    Trump’s Last Saturday Forum

    Our long national nightmare is almost over.

  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    John Harwood

    new Pew Research poll on how Americans view President Trump’s job performance five days before he leaves office:

    whites w/no college degree
    44% approve
    52% disapprove

    everyone else
    19% approve
    79% disapprove

  3. Kathy says:

    Future trivia question:

    Q: Why was Trump impeached twice?
    A: Because he only served one term (there’s no telling how many impeachments he’d have accrued in two terms).

  4. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Rex Chapman

    “Why They Kneel”

    (WARNING: This post contains graphic images that may be disturbing to viewers. Creator wishes to remain anonymous.)

  5. Michael Cain says:


    Our long national nightmare is almost over.

    I’d wait at least until we have a couple of terms of this SCOTUS behind us before I’d make that statement.

  6. Mikey says:

    An interesting piece on the Parler deplatforming.

    A Few More Thoughts On The Total Deplatforming Of Parler & Infrastructure Content Moderation

    The “too long, didn’t read” version of this argument (and again, please try to understand the nuance) is that even though Parler is currently down, it’s not due to a single company having total control over the market. There are alternatives. And while it appears that Parler is having difficulty finding any such alternative to work with it, that’s the nature of a free market. If you are so toxic that companies don’t want to do business with you, that’s on you. Not them.

  7. Mikey says:

    @Michael Cain: Certainly we won’t wake up Thursday morning with everything sunshine and roses. Much remains to be done to repair the horrendous damage Trump has done, and to move America forward again. But the nation, and the world, will be far better places when he is no longer President.

  8. CSK says:

    This is…interesting:

    Dominion doesn’t mess around. They certainly made The American Stinker grovel to them.

  9. Owen says:

    @CSK: I followed a link in a post on The Hill to an American Thinker article (during the Kelly-Wilson kerfuffle). After responding to a few posts I received a response of “You’re not from here”, after which I received no further responses. Interesting to read the prominent “Please send us money” window below their statement.

  10. Flat Earth Luddite says:

    4 days and a wake up. The light at the end of the tunnel. But I still hear that train a’comin’, it’s commin’ round the bend (apologies to Mr. Cash).

  11. Mikey says:

    @Flat Earth Luddite:

    The light at the end of the tunnel. But I still hear that train a’comin’

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
    Was just a freight train comin’ your way…

  12. JDM says:

    @CSK: Thanks for the link. I haven’t looked at American Thinker for years. BTW, it looks like American Thinker has shut down its comments. I’m guessing their lawyers looked at what happened to Parler and decided to not get thrown into the dustbin.

  13. CSK says:

    AT actually shut down its comment section several days before they printed the statement acknowledging that they libeled Dominion.

    Insisting that there are boatloads of evidence that voter fraud was committed and then neglecting to unload that evidence from the cargo hold is not a winning legal strategy.

  14. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Mikey: @Michael Cain: Is anybody else here as amenable as I am to the thought that if the Senate had found their balls and voted to convict, we’d be inaugurating President Pence in four days? Probably with a GOP majority Senate and, possibly, House?

  15. Teve says:


    Who would thought the guy with 6 bankruptcies, almost 3 divorces, 4000 lawsuits and 26 sexual assault accusations would get impeached twice as POTUS?

  16. charon says:

    So what now for QAnon??

    Combined with generalized conservative dominionist white supremacist upset over America becoming less Christian, less white and less patriarchal over time, angry desperation will likely increase. Trump empowered them psychologically to be feel powerful, but it also gave many a reason to belief their desires would be fulfilled. The cognitive dissonance of QAnon created a conundrum for them, one that presented itself even at the insurrection at the Capitol. If Trump was in control, why the need for the private insurrectionist army? If Trump wanted the insurrectionist army there, why didn’t he help them? Why did he abandon them? Was Trump grifting on them all along?

    With Trump gone, the mania of empowerment will flip to the rage of disempowerment and the sense of a fleeting dominance nearly undone. Prophecies of the destruction of their enemies will slip away. The question that hovers over America is whether the cult will accept that they were conned, or whether there will be even more upheaval ahead.

  17. Sleeping Dog says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    Is anybody else here as amenable as I am to the thought that if the Senate had found their balls and voted to convict, we’d be inaugurating President Pence…

    Not likely. The trumpists would have had a fit anyway and while that wouldn’t be aimed at Pence, they would have been unlikely to turnout and vote for him in the numbers they did for trump. Though Pence is more conservative than trump, he’s a classic R conservative that would have been viewed as a member of the elites. He also wouldn’t have fed their sense of grievance and victimhood as trump has. He would return to the dog whistle days of the Bush’s and Reagan and after 4 years of trump’s full throated and out loud support, that would be thin gruel for the trumpists.

  18. Sleeping Dog says:

    A suggestion from Joe Manchin that may have legs.

  19. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @JDM: What I find myself wondering is what kind of a “great party at which all the guests were interesting and delightful” were they having if the choice was to either shut down the party or the site? Clearly their definitions of “interesting” and “delightful” depart from mine to some degree.

    And I am, by my own admission, a sociopath. Hmmmm…

  20. Owen says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker: In this dystopian alternate universe, would Pence have a moustache and goatee?

    It is a point to consider, but I think there would have been significant strife between the pro- and never-Trumpers. It would likely have changed some Repubican primaries so I’m thinking it would have still given us the outcome we ended at with the WH, and something similar in the House and Senate. Pence just doesn’t have the charisma, and I believe he only appeals broadly to Evangelicals.

  21. flat earth luddite says:

    Thanks, the idea in my orchestral days of actually getting to backup a heavy metal rock bad was, after all, just a pipe dream.* Still and all, when I saw the rioters at the Capital, I kept mentally flipping between the cries of “NEW MEAT” in the yard at Folsom and the Kent State montage. But as Cracker notes, he is a functioning sociopath, whereas I am significantly less fully-functioning.

    *ok, not much of a stretch, given that for my family (and neighbors) the Carpenters were sleazy satanic rock-n-rollers.

  22. CSK says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Back in 2017, I recall wondering if and hoping that Trump would get bored by the demands of the presidency , rebel against the notion that it actually involved work, and resign before 2018 arrived.

    I suppose that was wishful thinking. Clearly Trump realized early on that being president–for him, anyway–entailed nothing more than walking out of meetings, screaming obscenities at hapless aides, and then retreating to his bedroom to watch cable tv and eat hamberders.

  23. Kathy says:

    If we’re going with impossible counterfactuals, what if Trump had brought the rhetoric, enthusiasm, and non-stop twitting to bear against the coronavirus instead?

    It wouldn’t have achieved New Zealand or Taiwan levels of containment, but more along what we see in Canada en Western Europe. More important, sycophantic wanna-be little trumps like King Manuel Andres or Emperor Bolsonaro would have done a bit more containment.

    So say around 100,000-200,000 fewer deaths worldwide.

  24. CSK says:

    All day I’ve been trying to recall what the forum title “Trump’s Last Saturday” reminded me of. I finally figured it out:

    Krapp’s Last Tape

  25. de stijl says:

    The Charismatic Voice YT channel has an hour long interview with Maria Franz who is the female singer in Heilung.

  26. Teve says:

    The alt-right dummy known as Baked Alaska just got his ass snatched by the FBI.

    Really not a good idea to publicly livestream your crimes.

  27. CSK says:

    I guess they figured that since Trump told them to do it, it wasn’t a crime.

  28. de stijl says:


    Baked Alaska thought he was not engaged in criminal behavior. He was clearly wrong on at least two fronts.

    It was criminal. It was for a badly chosen cause. Consequences will happen.

    I love how Rs now wallow in magical thinking. Realistic rock-ribbed Rs my ass. Insurrection has consequences. You committed a federal crime.

    The shaman dude has been denied bail and will sit his ass in jail until trial.

    Many are confused – how am I, a patriot and Trump supporter, now a criminal jailed and charged with felony crimes? Their brains cannot contain that they fucked up that badly.

    They want recourse and a pardon.

    Sorry, no.

  29. Teve says:

    Quite a few people got arrested Saturday

  30. Matt says:

    @de stijl: I love that band. One of the few bands that I’ll listen to the live recordings instead of the studio albums. Very good live although I’ve only had one chance so far to see them.

  31. de stijl says:


    Confirmed they are booked for Red Rock this summer per Maria Franz’s interview. If pandemic allows. Red Rock is a great venue, and well suited for Heilung.

    Heilung is primal and intense and awesome.

  32. de stijl says:


    Lifa was their first live show ever. They were that tight and that squared away on the very first live show. It is an incredibly impressive performance.

    As to listening to live vs. recorded. Check out the recorded / produced version of Norupa. It is stunning. Beautiful visuals.

  33. Matt says:

    @de stijl: That’s fantastic. The first songs I saw of Heilung were Lifa youtube videos. I ended up there after one of those late night spirals that started with a video of Aurora , wardruna, and Olso singing “Helvegen” in this video.

    I didn’t know Norupa had a video. Definitely going to look that up right after I hit send. Thanks

    PS They are on spotify but I bought their stuff off bandcamp for dem .flac files.