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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter

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  1. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Police arrest 21-year-old Richmond woman for wearing bandanna near pro-gun rally

    Despite the presence of numerous armed men who were covering their faces, the only person arrested near Monday’s pro-gun rally was a 21-year-old Richmond woman who police said refused repeated instructions to take a bandanna off her face.

    Police said Mikaela E. Beschler was arrested around 1:30 p.m. in the 800 block of East Broad Street near Capitol Square, where thousands of gun-rights activists had gathered. Law enforcement initially said no arrests had been made, then issued a statement saying Beschler had been arrested by an officer “who was working Lobby Day.” The police statement said the officer had given Beschler two warnings to uncover her face.

    On a frigid day, many attendees at the rally were wearing some type of face covering, but police didn’t appear to be actively enforcing a state law banning wearing masks in public. It wasn’t immediately clear why Beschler was charged with a felony for allegedly violating the law. Several police officers working the rally were wearing face coverings to keep warm.

    I won’t belabor the obvious.

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  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    If you haven’t heard this phrase, it is essentially a religious axiom among the gun nut community. People believe this hard. (the sign says, “Registration Leads To Confiscation”, which is why nobody in America owns vehicles)

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  3. OzarkHillbilly says:

    It’s a good thing trump had Suleimani killed, stopping all those imminent attacks on our embassies. I’m sure all our embassy staffs throughout the Middle East sleep much easier at night.

  4. Kylopod says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: What is it with the right and slippery-slope arguments?

    My take is when your argument against something is weak, you fall back on what it will supposedly lead to.

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  5. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kylopod: Logic is hard.

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  6. Teve says:

    Black and white thinking is attractively simple-minded.

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  7. OzarkHillbilly says:

    The lack of trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve is a major driver of gun violence in cities across the United States, a new report by the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence warns.

    In many American communities, acts of police brutality, over-enforcement targeting small infractions and high numbers of unsolved shootings and homicides have eroded trust in law enforcement, making residents less likely to place their trust in law enforcement and more likely to seek vigilante justice, the researchers note.

    “Everybody has largely missed the fact that if people can’t count on help from the state and its agents, they’re going to take care of themselves,” says David Kennedy, the director of the National Network for Safe Communities, a violence reduction research center, whose work is referenced throughout the report. “Sometimes taking care of yourself looks like day-to-day gun violence.”

    The report also spotlights examples of trends in cities like Camden, New Jersey, and Oakland, California, where community-led efforts have led to a significant decrease in gun violence rates.

    “Communities have the answers and can address and treat gun violence. But law enforcement gets the lion’s share of any city budget in the country,” says Fernando Rejón, the director of the Urban Peace Institute, a not-for-profit organization that trains violence interventionists. “For a [violence reduction] strategy to work, law enforcement needs to be able to do their work, intervene and provide alternatives, but there also has to be community investment.”
    ……………………………..
    “So much of what isn’t working about traditional policing is built on myths and lead to policies that treat whole communities as part of the problem rather than victims witnesses and the solution to violence,” says Freilich.

    “Law enforcement are inheritors of a history of racism and violence,” Freilich adds. “And police are frequently tasked with implementing and enforcing racist laws.”

    “When you are thinking of an entire community as violent you flood neighborhoods with all kinds of enforcement,” says Jesse Jannett, a senior policy fellow at the Urban Institute.

    “Rather, if you can identify a small number who are at an elevated risk of shooting and being shot it opens up a number of intervention possibilities.”

  8. It’s show time!

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  9. Teve says:

    N. K. Jemisin profile in the New Yorker. I just downloaded The Fifth Season on Kindle from the library.

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  11. MarkedMan says:

    Does anyone else have the problem in iOS of autocorrect randomly capitalizing words when you go back to edit?

  12. Teve says:

    @MarkedMan: yes. I really like The iPad I’m typing this on, but the text editing features are far inferior to android. I’m using voice recognition right now, and you see that capitalized T in the last sentence? Yeah I didn’t do that.

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  13. Sleeping Dog says:

    Ideological Diversity is not Enough
    Conservatives need a positive scholarly agenda for the humanities and social sciences

    Neither is owning the Libs.

    Something that I’ve wondered about for a long time, was how conservatives have fooled themselves into believing that an agenda that serves the elite can be sold to a broader community. Particularly when you are using racial and cultural resentment to capture the support working class whites.

    Much of what passes for conservatism in America today is hollow.

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  14. Kit says:

    @MarkedMan:

    Does anyone else have the problem in iOS of autocorrect randomly capitalizing words when you go back to edit?

    The current version of iOS is riddled with bugs. And everything involving text entry and editing is a disgrace. On the other hand, I’d likely write much more were the system better, so count your blessings.

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  15. Kit says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    Much of what passes for conservatism in America today is hollow.

    I respectfully disagree: it’s not hollow but full of shit.

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  16. Teve says:

    @Kit: I’m thinking about putting the Google keyboard on the iPad, but I don’t know if that will affect the cutting and pasting stuff, which on iOS is absolute garbage.

  17. Teve says:

    365 days until a new President is sworn in.

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  18. Joe says:

    @Teve: From your lips to God’s ears.

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  19. Kathy says:

    A few years ago, then-president Enrique Peña paid an exorbitant amount of money for a Boeing 787 to replace an old Boeing 757 as the presidential plane. The current president, His majesty Manuel Andres Lopez Obrador (no one gets that joke) likes to show off his austerity by taking commercial flights, and thus far has made no trips abroad. So he wants to sell the 787.

    good. Except that after a year on the market, it remains unsold. So one idea he’s floated is to raffle the plane off in a national lottery. 6 million tickets would be sold at 500 pesos each (about $27 US. No word on prizes other than the plane.

    While it seems ridiculous, and the odds are lousy, the prize would be awesome.

    Allegedly the plane cost a total of $218 million US, and the raffle would raise $150 million, which I assume is the amount still owed to whatever government bank financed the purchase.

    I don’t know the asking price. but the list price of a 787-8 is about $248 million.Of course, no one pays list price. so assume it’s half that, or $124 million (very likely too low). So if you won the plane, which has had little use, so the air frame is in great condition, you could easily sell it to any number of airlines, lessors, or even a private business or billionaire, if you asked for a “mere” $100 million.

    At odds of one in six million, though, you’re better off saving that money.

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  20. Liberal Capitalist says:

    President Pelosi

    President Nancy Patricia Pelosi

    POTUS 46

    Kinda has a nice ring to it. Would be great in the history books… the story of how a strong conservative party was taken over by a minority nationalist faction that attempted to crash the American Dream, and how the people of the United States stepped in and put a stop to it.

    I predicted this long ago. I see a great outcome, but fear that it could just be a divergent alternative fiction.

    Do you think Pelosi would run for reelection?

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  21. Daryl and his brother Darryl says:

    Remember, as this upside-down Show Trial commences in the Senate; we all know what Trump did.
    The only question that will be answered going forward is where Republican Senators allegiance lies. Is it with the Country and our Constitution? Or is it with Trump? It cannot be both.

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  22. Kit says:

    @Teve:

    I’m thinking about putting the Google keyboard on the iPad, but I don’t know if that will affect the cutting and pasting stuff, which on iOS is absolute garbage

    Do you mean Gboard, the virtual keyboard, or a physical one?

  23. Teve says:

    @Kit: If Google makes a physical keyboard I’m not aware of it.

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  24. charon says:

    @Teve:

    It does not matter, the fix is in.

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  25. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kathy: That’s a great deal but the parking fees alone would bankrupt one.

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  26. charon says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl:

    this upside-down Show Trial

    It isn’t a “Show Trial” with the GOP determined that it be as boring and inconspicuous as possible.

  27. Kathy says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Some stories in the papers about this, mention a grant to operate the plane for one year, which is a meaningless measure of time. How many flights, what does it cover, etc. And, yes, parking fees for a widebody are huge for the average well-off person. the plane might wind up being seized by the airport to recover fees!

    That’s why you sell it at once.

    But I give very low odds of a raffle taking place. Mostly because it has been widely ridiculed already. The web is rife with memes of the plane photoshopped parked in front of a house, driving in the freeway, its nose inside a suburban garage, etc.

    There’s talk of leasing it, which is not a terrible idea. Some have suggested His Majesty actually use it. Most likely it will be sold at a loss. The next president can avoid a similar twin debacle by ordering an A321 XLR. It won’t have the range to get to Europe or Asia nonstop, but it’s cheaper and burns less fuel.

  28. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kathy: Selling it at once for say $5 mil plus lawyer fees* to an airline is the obvious solution.

    * having never owned a plane much less a 787 I have no idea of the legal liabilities attached to said ownership, but I would bet they are very expensive.

  29. Paul L. says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    “Registration Leads To Confiscation”, which is why nobody in America owns vehicles

    Chicago Is Trying to Pay Down Its Debt by Impounding Innocent People’s Cars
    BTW You do not need a license, insurance and registration to drive a car on your private property. Those are required for public roads and driveways.

    A group including members of a the NRA a domestic terrorist organization that was dressed up in combat gear and with weapons of war is intimidation, that’s not peaceful.

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  30. gVOR08 says:

    Can any of the lawyers (Doug?), or anyone, answer an impeachment question for me? GOPs keep saying you can’t impeach for “abuse of power” as that’s not a crime in the Federal code*. Let me set aside any discussion of what’s impeachable. The underlying act is asking Ukraine for an in kind bribe to Trump personally in return for releasing legally mandated aid. I’ve described this as no different than an electrical inspector saying your wiring is good, but he needs fifty bucks cash to sign off.

    So a two part question: Is the bill of impeachment written in such a way that it does not charge solicitation of bribery. And if so, why did the Ds write it in such a way the GOPs can do this?

    * Reminded of his clear statements during the Clinton impeachment that an article of impeachment need not be a defined crime, I see Dershowitz is wrapping himself in verbal knots around “crimish” or some silly thing. Looks as silly as a guy with a gun and body armor at the VA capitol.

    ETA In line with my iPad keyboard rant below, I updated to “with a gun” from “withnangun”.

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  31. Teve says:

    @gVOR08: those twerps in VA were playing dress up Army Man. They want to cosplay as warriors but they’re too chickenshit to serve.

    Look at this chubby doofus pretending to be a sniper

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  32. Kathy says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    That would be such a low price, airlines would fall over each other to get it.

    So you auction it off. Brilliant. you’d get far more than $5 million and lawyer fees. I’d be willing to settle for the original asking price, plus lifetime travel anytime anywhere in first (or best available) class to just about any European or Asian legacy airline.

  33. gVOR08 says:

    @Kit: I tried the Gboard for awhile when I got this iPad and went back because I didn’t see any clear advantage. But, seemingly with recent iOS releases, my Apple virtual keyboard has gotten very balky. It seems OK on a hard surface, but sitting in my lap it doesn’t see keystrokes. “o” in particular for gawd knows what reason. Plus the Apple keyboard retains it’s most irritating feature. The num keyboard has an undo key where the alpha keyboard has a num key. That’s bad enough, but the undo is just where a dragging palm or little finger catches it. And unlike the o key, it seems very sensitive. I’m going to dig my way through settings and reup the Gboard.

  34. Teve says:

    @gVOR08: The worst text thing about the iPad is when you’re trying to select a block of text with your finger. That shit is incredibly bad and frustrating.

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  35. gVOR08 says:

    @charon: I am going to steal the “upside down show trial” line. I think what you’re saying is what Daryl meant.

  36. Liberal Capitalist says:

    @Paul L.:

    BTW You do not need a license, insurance and registration to drive a car on your private property. Those are required for public roads and driveways

    Don’t always assume that a logical sounding statement is true.

    After all, Colorado actually licenses and collects taxes on inoperable vehicles. https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/dmv/inoperable-collectors-item-registration

    However, if you are making a parallel argument that guns, if not removed from private property, should not be registered… well, that’s kind of a red herring.

    Would I support that? Sure. (However that may not work for actual sportsmen who hunt animals… you know the folks for which that the NRA was actually started.)

    But… is that what we saw this weekend with folks carrying semi-automatic weapons and costumed in make-believe combat gear? No.

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  37. Kit says:

    @gVOR08: Warning: don’t provoke me on this subject! I can go on and on about Apple’s shortcomings in this area.

    Damn it! Here I go:

    For people who write in multiple languages… Every day while writing in English, iOS will propose several options in French. Every now and then, it will autocorrect a valid word in English to some French alternative it finds preferable. To my mind, this sort of functionality could only have been developed by a team of monoglots: if I wish to use a French word in the middle of English text, I’ll change the damn keyboard!

    And come on, Apple! If I wish to write the word damn, then learn it! At least give the option somewhere.

    A grace note would be flagging if the current word is spelt correctly. Simply rendering the leftmost word option in grey would suffice.

    Oh, and can we have some warning before holding the delete key jumps to warp speed?

    And what about a shift lock so that I can enter numbers and spaces without going insane? In fact, why not offer a dedicated number pad?

    And when the autocorrect chooses a word that’s capitalized and I then correct it, is it too much to ask that the shift key return to its previous state?

    Can autocorrect leave behind some visual trace, like on MacOS?

    How about a long tap on a word bringing up a list of potential corrections? And if that word was autocorrected, then let the original word head the list.

    And why when long pressing on the space bar in order to move the cursor, do I sometimes go into selection mode? How to stop it? And how to start it on purpose? And speaking of which, have you tried editing a long URL in safari?

    And let me lock my frequently used emojis! The list is constantly shifting!

    And now autocorrect will do the courtesy of “correcting” the previous word to better fit. Hitting delete erases both words.

    I’m feeling better now 🙂

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  38. Teve says:

    Oh, and can we have some warning before holding the delete key jumps to warp speed?

    Christ. Awful.

  39. Paul L. says:

    @Liberal Capitalist:
    Inoperable Collector’s Item vehicles
    Or the gun parts loophole!

    except owners of parts cars as defined in C.R.S.42-12-101(11)
    “Parts car” means a motor vehicle, generally in inoperable condition, that is owned by a collector to furnish or to supply parts that are usually unobtainable from normal sources, thus enabling a collector or other collectors to preserve, restore, complete, and maintain a vehicle of historic or special interest.

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  40. Teve says:

    Gun Violence Isn’t a Problem — it’s actually 5 Problems, with Different Solutions

    instead of seeing at gun violence at One Big All-Encompassing Monolithic Problem, let’s look at the isolated areas where gun violence needs to be addressed: Domestic Violence, Suicides, Mass Shootings, Gang Violence, and State Violence.

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  41. Daryl and his brother Darryl says:

    @Liberal Capitalist:

    President Pelosi

    If anything Pelosi should remove her name from Succession…thereby eliminating the conflict of interest.
    The Presidency would then fall to Grassley…but who cares? He’d never get re-elected, and it’s too late for any Republicans to mount a serious primary race.

  42. Kingdaddy says:

    Until the last year, I was very happy with my successive iPhones and iPads. Lately, my iPhone 10R makes me feels as though I’m carrying around an imp of the perverse. Aside from bugs, many of the software design decisions are confusing and unhelpful. Worst example is the increased pressure to use iCloud, which does more harm than good, at least in my case. One result: I often can’t send someone a picture of my incredibly cute granddaughter. Bastards.

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  43. Teve says:

    @whitehouse

    “Today, I’m proud to declare that the United States is in the midst of an economic boom, the likes of which the world has never seen before.”

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  44. gVOR08 says:

    @Teve: Thank you. That’s probably the best thing I’ve seen on gun violence.

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  45. Teve says:

    Alabama Televangelist Acton Bowen sentenced to over 1000 years in prison for raping children.

    He’ll probably be released in only 689 years for good behavior. 😛

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  46. Liberal Capitalist says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl:

    If anything Pelosi should remove her name from Succession…thereby eliminating the conflict of interest.

    Why? It is part of the constitutional plan. it is exactly what it is to do.

    If the two chucklef#cks are removed, then the other party should take over. Pelosi was not one who wanted impeachment, however relented when evidence became obvious.

    (insert “I’m OK with this” meme cartoon here)

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  47. sam says:

    I’m not much for ballet, but this version of Polovtsian dances is mesmerizing. My only complaint (a very small complaint given the performance) is that they omitted the chorus.

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  48. gVOR08 says:

    On iPad keyboards – I got the magnetic folding cover with a hardware keyboard with my current iPad. I generally use it if I do something long on the iPad, which is infrequent. Can anybody tell me why the backspace key is labeled “delete”? I use an iPad and iPhone, but laptops and desktops are Windows. Does Apple do this on laptop and desktop keyboards?

    And about every third time I go to use the hardware keyboard I have to reboot before it will automatically switch over, including just now when I looked to see if it was “delete” or “del”.

  49. Liberal Capitalist says:

    @Kathy:

    That would be such a low price, airlines would fall over each other to get it.
    So you auction it off.

    Imagine the eBay ad. 🙂

  50. gVOR08 says:

    @Liberal Capitalist: The idea wasn’t to change parties, although given what we’re learning about impeachment it is sort of a given that it won’t happen unless the Speaker is of the opposite party. The idea was that the speaker was the closest office available to popularly elected.

    In the event, if the veep looked impeachable there’s a fair chance they’d somehow work a Ford/Agnew style substitution before push came to shove.

    But I sure would love me some Madame President Pelosi. ‘You want any of your crap signed, Turtle Boy, you’re gonna have to butter me up for a while. You better start now.’

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  51. Kit says:

    @gVOR08:

    And about every third time I go to use the hardware keyboard I have to reboot before it will automatically switch over, including just now when I looked to see if it was “delete” or “del”.

    You might just try toggling the Bluetooth setting, simply to make the process faster. Still, something is wrong. If you can, try stopping by an Apple Store.

  52. CSK says:

    @sam: That was great. Thanks.

  53. Michael Reynolds says:

    The Richmond gun nuts are just cos-playing. They’re like furries or bronies but with guns and race hatred.

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  54. Fortunato says:

    From the NYT, 2 hrs ago –

    Senator Brian Schatz, Democrat of Hawaii, on Tuesday urged people to flood the Senate switchboard with calls demanding that senators allow new witnesses and evidence to be considered as part of the impeachment trial of President Trump.

    “202-224-3121 is the number and ask for witnesses and documents,” Mr. Schatz wrote on Twitter.

    I’m happy to report that I’ve tried, repeatedly, and continue to get:
    “We’re sorry, all circuits are busy”

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  55. charon says:

    @gVOR08:

    My bad, my reading skills are waning in my dotage.

  56. roger says:

    @Kathy: Did anyone bother to ask John Travolta if he wants to buy the plane?

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  57. Daryl and his brother Darryl says:

    @Michael Reynolds:

    The Richmond gun nuts are just cos-playing.

    Two things about that ridiculous display:
    If military recruiters showed up they would scatter like rats when the lights come on.
    And more importantly…If colored people showed up, in those numbers and open carrying and armed to the hilt like that, we would have gun control in a matter of hours.

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  58. Daryl and his brother Darryl says:

    @gVOR08:

    GOPs keep saying you can’t impeach for “abuse of power” as that’s not a crime in the Federal code.

    This is all part of the Republican obfuscation effort.
    Pages 118-120 of the House Impeachment Report (the 600 page report) specifically spells out bribery and wire fraud as elements of Article 1 Abuse of Power.
    This cannot be said loudly enough, or often enough.
    Why it isn’t, I do not know. Another case of Democrats losing the messaging game.
    Just the same…don’t fall for the Republican BS.

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  59. DrDaveT says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl:

    If colored people showed up, in those numbers and open carrying and armed to the hilt like that, we would have gun control in a matter of hours.

    “What do you call the black Cliven Bundy?”
    “Deceased.”

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  60. Kurtz says:

    @Teve:

    *6 problems. Mental health.

    Nevermind. A quick scan of the link shows it is discussed as an overarching theme

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  61. MarkedMan says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl:

    The only question that will be answered going forward is where Republican Senators allegiance lies. Is it with the Country and our Constitution? Or is it with Trump?

    Asked and answered. You couldn’t (or wouldn’t) be a Republican Senator today unless you had already sold out the country. The only question is will any of them have a conversion in time. I would put the odds at pretty low. There are plenty of examples of snakes that turn virtuous just in time… in fiction. Not so many in real life.

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  62. Paul L. says:

    [Nifong reference was deleted.}

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  63. Daryl and his brother Darryl says:

    @Paul L.:

    BTW, there were armed minorities at the Virginia Rally.

    How many? 6? It sure looked like another lily-white Trump rally to me.
    A bunch of tiny dick white guys showing off their penile prosthetics.
    Ammosexuals.

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  64. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @locomotivebreath1901: Is Steve Borden (aka Sting) making a return to wrestling?

  65. Teve says:

    Just because Mike Nifong said the same thing don’t not make it wrong.

    😀 😛 😀 😛 😀 😛 😀 😛 😀 😛

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  66. Fortunato says:

    Pat Cipollone is just as big a tool as Jay Sekulow and Colludy Rudy.
    Isn’t he.

    I’ve thought all along that it was certain to be Cipollone who was piloting the U.S.S. Drumpf from behind a curtain – pulling levers , spinning dials and flipping switches, a la Wizard of Oz.

    But no.
    Cipollone – bible banger, father of 10, bff of Laura Ingraham – is cut from the very same moron mold as the rest of Trump’s sycophantic Apple Dumpling Gang.
    The same graceless, ham-fisted, ethically challenged, shameless liar and charlatan as the rest of them.

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  67. MarkedMan says:

    Would one of the OPs please ban this goon already? He obviously is trying to goad you into doing and my vote is that you let him do it.

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  68. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @gVOR08: My guess would be because backspace is the only delete-type function on an Apple keyboard, but it’s been a long time (almost 30 years) since I’ve used an Apple computer, so there may be other reasons. Needing to backspace to edit was the feature of Apple that I couldn’t get used to.

  69. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    ‘You want any of your crap signed, Turtle Boy, you’re gonna have to butter me up for a while. You better start now.’

    Eewwwwwww!!! Now I have to go find an extra large spool of industrial-strength mental floss. How likely is that? 🙁

  70. CSK says:

    @MarkedMan:
    Which goon?

  71. Kit says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    backspace is the only delete-type function on an Apple keyboard

    You can delete forward (meaning the character in front of the cursor) by pressing the option (or control?) key along with backspace. Not exactly obvious.

  72. Fortunato says:

    Ala, I see I’m not the only one who found Cipollone’s performance wholly offensive –

    Former CIA Director John Brennan, 22m ago, via Twitter:

    During more than 33 years in public service, I never heard a government lawyer so misrepresent the facts & deceive the American public as WH Counsel Pat Cipollone just did in the Senate impeachment trial. Further evidence of the contagion of Mr. Trump’s dishonesty & corruption.

    F*&king liars.
    All of them.
    Every Single One in Trump’s cadre of clowns is a bald faced, consequences be damned (BECAUSE THERE NEVER F*CKING ARE ANY!!!) – LIARS!

    And the MAGAloons gobble it up.
    Gym Jordan, Mark Meadows, Elise Stefanik, John Ratcliffe, Debbie Lesko – the whole winger contagion will be blanketing the airwaves with their toxic waster over the next 48 hours in a coordinated effort to gaslight the nation.

    And they’ll succeed.
    And Chief Justice John Roberts will officiate and formally apply the SOTUS stamp of approval to the whole toxic undertaking.
    And the Dems will – once again – lick their wounds, tuck their tails and hope a newly emboldened, openly lawless Trump won’t somehow have them all imprisoned come November – to the cheers and guffaws of tens of millions.

    And our nation will be lost.
    The last bulwark, the Senate, will have fallen to a merciless onslaught of hedonism, ignorance, wholesale grifting and debauchery.

    I truly fear we have failed our children and grandchildren.

    But.. remember y’all – it was elitism, those”college educated white people” who not only welcomed, but celebrated this democracy crushing hedonism.
    Just think back on all those scholarly crowds filling stadiums around the nation, donning their elitist Baseball Caps, spouting their erudite memes, waving their haute couture Bumper Stickers and then organizing countless tony TEA gatherings around the nation.
    All of them feeding on the same steady diet of hate, fear, manipulation and division being disseminated via NPR and PBS and the new MasterClass series on Youtube.
    It is the educated and informed among us who have brought about the downfall of our Democracy.
    (dripping in sarcasm).

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  73. Teve says:

    @CSK: the one with the disordered personality w/r/t a certain legal case in N.C. nigh on 13 years ago.

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  74. Kathy says:

    @roger:

    No idea. But the plane spent most of last year parked in California, where interested parties could see it.

    Is John Travolta rated on this type?

  75. Daryl and his brother Darryl says:

    I’m following the Show Trial on Twitter…whilst I’m working…but are the cable channels carrying it live?

  76. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Paul L.: Is this news to you? Here’s more news: So does every other law enforcement agency in they country. It’s called give them an incentive to seize stuff (they all get a cut of the profits) and they will. I only wonder why Reason felt the need to single out Chicago for this article?

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  77. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kathy: My desires are small and my needs are simple. With $5 mil I can live quite comfortably off the dividends and I can get rid of a huge headache double quick.

  78. Kathy says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Any reasonable person can live a whole life with $5 million in the bank.

    But with $10 or $20 million, one could fund several charities as well.

  79. Daryl and his brother Darryl says:

    @Liberal Capitalist:

    Why? It is part of the constitutional plan. it is exactly what it is to do.

    It’s too easy for them to say “She only impeached so that she could become President.”
    If anything…commit to not running in 2020.

  80. CSK says:

    @Teve:
    Thanks. I skip his posts; most of the time I don’t know what the hell he’s talking about, since it has no relevance to the topic under discussion.

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  81. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kathy: Now you’re just being greedy. 😉

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  82. Teve says:

    @CSK: that boy ain’t right. 😀

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  83. Fortunato says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl: CSPAN is covering it and I think the cable channels are using their feed?

    I caught parts of it on CSPAN online and just saw a few seconds of a TV monitor where it appeared to be carried by MSNBC.

    You’ll be able to watch the whole thing on CSPAN online.
    I saw most of Schiff’s presentation (very, very good) followed by LYING Jay Sekulow (abject clown), which was followed by Pat Cipillone – whose demeanor, presentation, meandering habit and BLATANT LYING were infuriating!!

    Why can NOTHING be done about the wholesale LYING of every member of the Republican party and their co-conspirators?
    The Chief Justice is seated immediately behind them – for christ’s sake!
    Is there truly NO remedy for this overt – televised – debasement of our democracy!
    Are we REALLY going to simply surrender our our country and our children’s future to Donny Two Scoops and the party of Grifting Obtuse People!?

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  84. Teve says:

    @Fortunato: several lawyers on twitter are saying Cipillone looked like a lying clown contrasted with Schiff.

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  85. Teve says:

    @chrismurphyct

    I knew it was coming, but hearing every single Republican vote against evidence was a gut punch.

    Our job isn’t to protect our party’s leaders; its to seek the truth. So far, the Senate is failing in this mission.

    More votes coming. A long night likely.

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  86. Kathy says:

    @Fortunato:

    That’s why I’m not even following it. I’ve no interest in working up a rage, nor finding out how low the GOP can sink (answer: lower than we can conceive).

    If Schiff and Cipollone got into a fight, and Schiff mashed Cipollone’s face into a bloody pulp, the Branch Trumpidians would be talking about the beating Cipollone gave to Schiff’s fists.

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  87. Fortunato says:

    @Teve:
    And they’re right!
    And Cipillone’s underling, smarmy Jay Sekulow – fresh off his grifting gig touring ‘Crisis Pregnancy Centers’ – looked even worse.

    The whole country should be required to watch and contrast the presentation of Schiff and these two Trump maroons.

    And I see David Corn (Mother Jones) is with me re Chief Justice Roberts.
    Corn, moments ago, via Twitter:

    Imagine if Chief Justice Roberts stated that he will not allow counsel for either side to get away with stating explicit and demonstrable lies. Just imagine that.

    There really, really has to be some sort of recourse!
    No?!

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  88. Teve says:

    @proudresister

    BREAKING: Elizabeth Warren just announced as president that she will establish a Task Force to “investigate the corruption during the Trump administration and hold officials accountable for illegal activity.” We cannot let the corruption of the Trump administration go unpunished.

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  89. Teve says:

    @walkshaub

    It’s frustrating to see a licensed member of the bar stand on the Senate floor and say that Republicans were kept out of the SCIF, which is verifiably false. It’s not a matter of opinion or exaggeration. It is false. Yet the top attorney advising the president said it.

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  90. DrDaveT says:

    @Sleeping Dog: I read that piece hoping that at some point he would say what would define a conservative approach to any particular social science. No such luck; I’m still left with “conservatism is whatever conservatives advocate” as the only functional definition. Sort of like “IQ is what IQ tests measure”.

    I was fascinated to read him saying that the Great Books promote no specifically conservative ideas. (“Great Books” likewise undefined here; perhaps academics all know what he means.) Should this perhaps be a clue? (And since when is Leviathan not on the list?)

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  91. Matt says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl: Indeed we saw exactly that in California when Reagan was governor and black people started walking around armed….

  92. Teve says:

    @repspeier

    Sekulow just told bald-faced lies to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Republicans WERE allowed in the SCIF. I was there. Many Rs CHOSE not to show up.

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  93. Mister Bluster says:

    @Matt:..Indeed we saw exactly that in California when Reagan was governor and black people started walking around armed….

    You mean like this: Capitol is Invaded

    The NRA supported gun control when the Black Panthers were the ones holding the guns.

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  94. Teve says:

    If a liberal billionaire wanted the second amendment repealed they’d just have to offer a free Ar-15 to any adult African American with no felony conviction.

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  95. Sleeping Dog says:

    @DrDaveT:

    I suspect that he is referring to the generally accepted cannon of dead, white, western men. Often you hear conservatives bemoan that fact that universities have done away with the Great Books cannon and horrors of horrors including writings by people of color and women. I took that as a dig at conservative critics of academia.

  96. MarkedMan says:

    @CSK: Paul L

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  97. MarkedMan says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl: And I say don’t give a f*cking inch to the moral degenerates that make up the Republican party

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  98. Jax says:

    @Guarneri: If you don’t like it, don’t freakin look at it. It’s really that simple. You don’t contribute anything except the typical throwing turds and “Losers!”, so why do you even stop by?

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  99. @MarkedMan:

    Would one of the OPs please ban this goon already? He obviously is trying to goad you into doing and my vote is that you let him do it.

    He is on his last chance and has been warned.

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  100. Teve says:

    Wow. Actual FoxNews chyron 2 hrs ago:

    DEMS PUSH HYSTERICAL TALKING POINTS AT TRIAL

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  101. An Interested Party says:

    I pity you folks.

    You would do well to pity yourself…anyone who would constantly do drive-by comments on a blog without engaging or even making sensible arguments is a sad and sorry excuse for a commentator… while you are allegedly feeling pity for others, everyone else is looking at you and pointing and laughing…it’s really amazing what a supposedly successful wealthy businessman does with so much of his free time…

    Meanwhile, the following is a bit long but it does make the right point…

    The clinical term for that is horseshit.

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  102. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: Thank you for the demonstration of how autobanning can work.

  103. Kurtz says:

    @Guarneri:

    See the other thread about “opinions.” I had a long post prepared for you to show, using your words from both here, and at Schuler’s blog, to show you how absurd you are. Over there, you actually assert things. They aren’t quite arguments, but it’s vastly better than what you do here.

    You may want to lay off the psychology terminology. You aren’t very good at using them.

    And there is plenty of disagreement here. You either don’t bother to read it, or your so obsessed with throwing shit at the wall, that everything looks like a flat surface.

    Again, I will extend my invitation to meet for coffee or dinner. You won’t accept, because you won’t be behind your keyboard. Seeing a live person would prevent you from seeing the posts here as the rantings of an objects rather than minds.

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  104. Liberal Capitalist says:

    @Guarneri:

    Just one man’s opinion. However, that thread is an absolute acid trip. I pity you folks.

    Why… Thank you! I do my part. 🙂

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  105. @Guarneri:

    But actually I’d advise that Dr Taylor do it, and perhaps re-evaluate.

    Just one man’s opinion. However, that thread is an absolute acid trip. I pity you folks.

    The problem is: this is an incredibly lazy approach.

    If you want to criticize, at least be able to identify what you want to criticize. And you want to have an argument or discussion, you have to be more specific.

    It isn’t my job to guess what you don’t like about the thread.