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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter

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  1. CSK says:

    According to Axios, on January 20, 2021 Trump will skip Biden’s inauguration, fly on Marine One from the South Lawn of the White House to Andrews Air Force Base, and take Air Force One to Florida, where he will hold a “giant rally” to announce his run in 2024. The timing of the rally will compete with Biden’s swearing-in.

    This is exactly what I predicted he’d do.

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  2. charon says:

    https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1336428716642226184

    Giuliani said he had exactly the same treatment as the president.

    “Exactly the same. His doctor sent me here, talked me into it. I didn’t really want to go to the hospital and he said don’t be stupid, we can get it over in three days if we send you to the hospital.”

    https://twitter.com/mgerrydoyle/status/1336463645832667137

    this, of course, is not the experience of the vast majority of people who get the coronavirus

    u.s. healthcare is stupidly, hopelessly broken, delivering gold-plated service to the wealthy and bankrupting people with ordinary means. the pandemic clearly shows this

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  3. charon says:

    Who has advance purchased vaccines:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EouKn_uWEAAW6-t?format=png&name=900×900

    https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1336314235396235267

    Rising nationalism in how we talk about and distribute #COVID19 #vaccines is terrifying. The global effort needs $40B, has only received $3.4 “pledged” billions.
    Meanwhile, rich nations + India have advance purchased nearly all vax supplies.

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  5. Scott says:

    Is it Trump’s indifference? Or contempt? Or just a treat for the lap dogs? I don’t see the logic.

    Trump appoints former aide Kellyanne Conway to Air Force Academy Board of Visitors

    According to its charter, the board provides independent advice and recommendations on the morale, discipline and social climate, the curriculum, instruction, physical equipment, fiscal affairs and academic methods to the secretary of defense and deputy secretary of defense, through the secretary of the Air Force, and to the Armed Services committees.

    Not sure that Conway has anything to contribute to any of these areas.

    Of course, Trump also appointed this winner:

    On Thursday, the president announced he had appointed Heidi Stirrup, an ally of top Trump adviser Stephen Miller, to be a member of the board, according to a White House press release.

    Strirrup, who for the past several months has served as the president’s liaison to the Justice Department, was recently banned from the department’s headquarters building after trying to pressure staffers to give up sensitive information about alleged election fraud and other matters so that she could relay the information to the White House

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  6. CSK says:

    @Scott:
    It’s just revenge on Trump’s part.

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  7. Jen says:

    @charon: I haven’t finished my coffee yet, but isn’t that way more doses than we’d need to vaccinate everyone in the US?

    Why would we hoard vaccinations?

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  8. Tyrell says:

    “How about those Cowboys!”

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  9. charon says:

    @Jen:

    I really can’t comment, too much unclear about what those charts are really showing.

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  10. Scott says:

    @Tyrell: Except they lost against the Ravens, who I’ve loathed ever since Art Modell left Cleveland.

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  11. drj says:

    @Jen:

    isn’t that way more doses than we’d need to vaccinate everyone in the US?

    Essentially, the pre-purchases reserved production capacity for promising vaccines still under development by various manufacturers.

    Not every purchased vaccine was/is expected to pan out.

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  12. Jen says:

    @drj: Ah, of course. Thank you, that makes sense!

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  13. Tyrell says:

    @Scott: I’ll have one on that. I liked the Browns way back: Jim Brown, Kosar, Frank Ryan, Paul Warfield, Ozzie Newsome, Lou Groza, Bobby Mitchell.

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  14. Scott says:

    @Tyrell: Don’t forget about Brian Sipe and the Kardiac Kids. Deeply fun and frustrating.

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  15. SC_Birdflyte says:

    @CSK: Another of my dreams: Air Force One flies from Andrews to Palm Beach, where Donald and Melania are loaded into the escape pod, which is then ejected as close to Mar-a-Lago as possible. The plane then returns to Washington to be disinfected.

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  16. CSK says:

    @SC_Birdflyte:
    Depending on the flight plan, why not eject the pod into the middle of Chesapeake Bay?

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  17. MarkedMan says:

    Another Republican leadership profile in courage:

    Pennsylvania Senate Majority Leader Kim Ward (R) laid out in stark terms the pressure she and other Republicans are experiencing from their base to boost President Donald Trump’s corrupt war against the 2020 election results.

    In an interview with the New York Times published on Wednesday, Ward described the backlash that she would’ve been dealt if she openly stated that she didn’t want to sign her fellow Republican colleagues’ letter last week requesting that federal Pennsylvania lawmakers invalidate the state’s Electoral College votes for President-elect Joe Biden.

    “If I would say to you, ‘I don’t want to do it,’ I’d get my house bombed tonight,” Ward said.

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  18. MarkedMan says:

    It’s time we stop treating these Republican thugs with kid gloves. These are violent degenerates and the longer we wait to start imprisoning them the worse it will get.

    According to the Idaho Statesmen, Boise Mayor Lauren McLean and Boise Police Chief Ryan Lee asked the CDH board to quickly adjourn a meeting where a vote on a public health order aimed at combatting the spread of coronavirus was scheduled to take place due to safety concerns amid demonstrations against the pack of measures.

    Hundreds of demonstrators protested the order, which among other restrictions, would have limited gathering to fewer than 10 people and required face masks be worn in public and private around non-household members when social distancing is not possible.

    The news comes as more than 111,800 coronavirus cases and at least 1,055 COVID-19 deaths have been reported in the state as infections continue to multiply.

    According to the Statesmen, Lachiondo, in tears, told the board members upon her sudden departure that her son was home alone as demonstrators banged outside of her door.

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  19. Kathy says:

    @SC_Birdflyte:
    @CSK:

    In a way it’s too bad Biden ins’t petty enough to break one norm, and declare Air Force One inelegible for use by private citizens.

    He could at least say “Sure, Donnie. You can take MY plane for a ride home. After the inauguration.”

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  20. charon says:

    @MarkedMan:

    From WashPo on this:

    The protests on Friday and Tuesday were organized by a multistate network of right-wing activists called People’s Rights. The group was founded by Ammon Bundy, a vocal anti-masker and anti-government activist who gained national attention as part of the 2016 standoff between Patriot movement extremists and federal police at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. Bundy was arrested in August at the Idaho Capitol after tying himself to a chair and refusing to leave amid an anti-mask protest.

    and

    In addition to swarming Lachiondo’s home, protesters also showed up at board member Ted Epperly’s house. Epperly, a physician in Ada County, said about 15 people were still outside his home as other members moved to adjourn the meeting early. He told the Statesman the small crowd banged garbage cans, flashed strobe lights through his windows and knocked on his door as the virtual meeting unfolded.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/09/idaho-coronavirus-protest-homes/

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  21. CSK says:

    @Kathy:
    I think Trump will probably leave D.C. very early in the morning of Jan. 20, so the plane will still, technically, be at his disposal. Besides, he’ll want to get to Palm Beach before noon so he can hold his rally while Biden is being sworn into office.

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  22. Kathy says:

    @Jen:

    Very likely you have to divide the numbers in half, as most likely vaccine candidates are a two-dose deal. The result is how many people can be vaccinated. Still, over a billion doses makes for 500 million vaccinations, which is way higher than the US population.

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  23. charon says:

    Long haulers are losing teeth:

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1336443942607462402

    TOOTH LOSS is one symptom of #LongCovid. Congressman Louie Gohmert’s tooth just came out during a speech. He had #COVID19 many months ago. Many reports of COVID-related tooth lose in NYT, as well as documented by
    @Survivor_Corps

    @dianaberrent

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/26/health/covid-teeth-falling-out.html

    Earlier this month, Farah Khemili popped a wintergreen breath mint in her mouth and noticed a strange sensation: a bottom tooth wiggling against her tongue.

    Ms. Khemili, 43, of Voorheesville, N.Y., had never lost an adult tooth. She touched the tooth to confirm it was loose, initially thinking the problem might be the mint. The next day, the tooth flew out of her mouth and into her hand. There was neither blood nor pain.

    Ms. Khemili survived a bout with Covid-19 this spring, and has joined an online support group as she has endured a slew of symptoms experienced by many other “long haulers”: brain fog, muscle aches and nerve pain.

    There’s no rigorous evidence yet that the infection can lead to tooth loss or related problems. But among members of her support group, she found others who also described teeth falling out, as well as sensitive gums and teeth turning gray or chipping.

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  24. charon says:

    @charon:

    More:

    Teeth falling out without any blood is unusual, Dr. Li said, and provides a clue that there might be something going on with the blood vessels in the gums.

    The new coronavirus wreaks havoc by binding to the ACE2 protein, which is ubiquitous in the human body. Not only is it found in the lungs, but also on nerve and endothelial cells. Therefore, Dr. Li says, it’s possible that the virus has damaged the blood vessels that keep the teeth alive in Covid-19 survivors; that also may explain why those who have lost their teeth feel no pain.

    I suppose if Cletus is going to go anti-mask, he might as well be toothless also so as to fit the stereotype better.

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  25. Sleeping Dog says:

    @Tyrell:

    Playing in the mistake by the lake. Of course the current stadium is on the lake as well.

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  26. CSK says:

    Kellyanne Conway has reportedly scored the biggest advance of any Trump insider yet for her memoir. No word yet on when it will be published. No word either on who the publisher is, but Simon and Schuster did her first book.

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  27. Sleeping Dog says:

    @charon:

    Toothless and a limp willy. Now there’s a man for you.

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  28. gVOR08 says:

    @charon: The Bundys have been handled with kid gloves through all their armed snowflake silliness. White privilege. We’ve sown the wind by doing do.

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  29. MarkedMan says:

    @Kathy:

    declare Air Force One inelegible for use by private citizens.

    FWIW, my understanding is that Air Force One is the plane that the President flies on. If he flew in a Cessna Crop Duster that would be Air Force One. Marine One is any helicopter he flies in. So if Trump takes off on Air Force One and Biden is sworn in during the trip, Trump lands in “Just some plane”.

    There’s a lateral thinking puzzle about why the number of Air Force One landings is different then the number of take offs and, if I recall correctly, it’s because Johnson was sworn in during the flight after the Kennedy assassination. Or, and I’m too lazy to Google, it may have to do with when Nixon signed his resignation letter.

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  30. Teve says:

    @charon: i was critical of people pushing the ‘Trump administration declined to purchase more Pfizer vaccine OMG’ story yesterday for this reason.

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  31. Mu Yixiao says:

    @MarkedMan:

    It was Nixon. The captain had to request a designation change while in flight.

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  32. gVOR08 says:

    @MarkedMan: And there are two of the VC-25A modified 747s, so I expect the other would be immediately available to Biden at noon on the 20th. Hopefully disinfected, figuratively and literally.

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  33. Kathy says:

    @MarkedMan:

    FWIW, my understanding is that Air Force One is the plane that the President flies on.

    Almost right. But IMO that’s rather ritualistic and pedantic.

    As to the almost, if the president, or even Trump the Loser, flies a rotary wing airplane staffed by the USMC, the designation is Marine One.

    So there 😉

    I can imagine this scene, too:

    Air Force Colonel: Gee, Mr. trump, I’m sorry. I forgot the keys to the plane at home. Let me just get into this Cessna crop duster and I’ll fly back to Florida to get them. I’ll be back in ten hours or so. Twelve tops.

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  34. charon says:

    From a Bulwark newsletter:

    Everyone laughs at how stupid the Trump lawsuits are. Can you believe these morons? They lose everywhere! Even Republican judges keep slapping them down! How embarrassing for Trump!

    But that’s the wrong way to think about Trump’s actions since November 3. Because his goal hasn’t been to keep the office of the president. It’s been to keep the Republican party.

    On the morning of November 4, Donald Trump faced two problems. The first was that he was going to lose the power of the presidency. The second was that this loss endangered his ownership of the GOP.

    So for Trump, the lawsuits, the posturing, the couping—yes, it would be nice if he wound up as president on January 21. But that’s the secondary objective. The primary objective was to stop the Republican party from leaving him and, if possible, tighten his grasp on it.

    And while everyone laughs at how incompetent Trump’s Elite Strike Force has been as a matter of law, they miss how effective it’s been as a matter of politics.

    Mission: Accomplished.

    Also this linky to a pretty extended discussion:

    https://thebulwark.com/trump-is-forever/

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  35. CSK says:

    @charon:
    That was a good piece. Scary, but good.

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  36. Teve says:

    @dandrezner

    The President of the United States literally wants to overturn certified election results and a significant fraction of the GOP rank and file support him and I can’t wait to read the next take about how left-wing cancel culture is the greatest threat facing America.

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  37. charon says:

    From that Bulwark link above:

    When you look at Trump’s administration it is clear that he sees the GOP not as a political party which exists as a vehicle to execute policy visions, but an asset. And assets exist to be controlled and passed down to one’s heirs.

    In such a world, the Republican party is a kingdom and GOP politicians are mere feudal lords who may only set up their own fiefdoms at the pleasure of the sovereign. Or, if you’d prefer a less benign metaphor, the Republican party is now a family-controlled syndicate which will run the business until either a rival gang takes them down or the feds catch up with them.

    Whichever view you choose, the arrangement will continue as long as Donald Trump has thumbs and a smartphone.

    I still think Trump has senile dementia which will be much more obvious by late 2022, so that will factor in.

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  38. Teve says:

    @charon: if Trump starts receiving heavy prosecution in NY it’ll change the dynamic.

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  39. Sleeping Dog says:

    @charon:
    @Teve:

    If you’re an R politician that has presidential aspirations of one’s own, you need to figure a way out of the dilemma of Trump controlling the party if you are to have the future you desire. You can’t run for prez and express fealty to trump, they’re mutually exclusive. Shortly after the inauguration, we should see a change in the intra-party dynamic. Whether it is each of the prospective candidates breaking with trump in their own way or the group quietly conspiring on a plan, something will happen. Otherwise come June, if Cruz, Cotton or Rubio et.al. makes a trip to Iowa or NH they will be subject to a disloyalty attack.

    The wildcard is when do the Manhattan DA and NY AG indict and who.

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  40. Paine says:

    Yes. The Bulwark has a lot of quality content. Been trying to listen to Charlie Syke’s podcast everyday.

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  41. CSK says:

    CNN reports that Melania Trump will not write (ha-ha) a memoir but rather do a coffee table book on the history of hospitality in the White House or on her changes to the decor therein.

    It figures. In order to write a memoir, you actually have to have done something other than get cosmetic surgery, read fashion magazines, and do Pilates.

    She will, as she did in the White House (and doubtless in Trump Tower), have her own bedroom suite apart from Donald’s.

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  42. Jen says:

    @Sleeping Dog: I was discussing exactly this with my husband last night. There’s only so long this appeasement stuff is going to last. If Trump does indeed announce his 2024 candidacy on the day Biden is sworn in, Cruz, Cotton, Hawley, and the lot of them are going to have problems. They ALL want Trump’s voters, but if he announces they need to figure out a way to negate Trump without alienating his voters–and that’s going to be harder by miles than it would have been back in 2015.

    Something’s gotta give.

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  43. KM says:

    @MarkedMan:
    Air Force One is really distinctive looking. You could call it Criminal Transport #1 but anybody watching it land will think “yep, POTUS is here!” Designation aside, the planes POTUS flies on are *expensive* and full of top-secret tech and info. Trump taking off with one on the last day of his Presidency raises questions of what else he’s absconding with. Are they going to frisk him when he gets off? If he has it loaded with all sorts of materials and goods he thinks is his (gifts from other nations intended for the Office for example), do they stop him? What about documents or drives with state secrets?

    It feels like he just announced where his getaway car is going and that he’s gonna be taking it all with him. Air Force One = POTUS so still having it that day is clearly an optic that “I’m still the Prez, not that guy in DC”. The Secret Service needs to prevent any bags from being unloaded without strict scrutiny and cut off the wifi and all security access the *second* they’re allowed to….. and maybe before if they can claim it was accidental. He’ll be using it to steal and the murkiness of the timeframe means they can essentially be accessories to the crime.

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  44. Michael Cain says:

    @charon: The truly crazy suits are now largely getting dismissed on technical grounds: standing, timeliness, remedies outside the court’s authority, etc. There are a number of cases still pending, at least a couple of which will probably make it to the Supreme Court either this spring or next fall. Possibly just because a couple of the Appeals Courts are going to make conflicting decisions. The most interesting question likely to get addressed, I think, is whether there are limits to how much authority the state legislature can delegate to election officials when there are “extraordinary circumstances,” and how explicit such delegation must be.

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  45. Teve says:

    @itsjefftiedrich

    the “you lost, get over it” crowd from 2016 is teaching a master class in losing and not getting over it

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  46. Mikey says:

    @KM:

    You could call it Criminal Transport #1 but anybody watching it land will think “yep, POTUS is here!”

    Currently a distinction without a shred of difference.

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  47. Jen says:

    @Teve: Ain’t that the truth.

    Melania might be another wild card in the whole “Trump running again” thing (aside from the criminal investigations, I mean). There’s a piece on CNN about how she just wants to get the heck out of this situation and “back home,” whatever that means now.

    She is also not immune to the grift:

    Kelly had previously run the White House Office of Administration and after it became clear Trump would need to prep for her life after Washington the first lady told Kelly to discreetly ask West Wing acquaintances and a member of the Office of Management and Budget whether there were taxpayer funds allocated to former first ladies, according to two sources familiar with the discussions.

    (Emphasis added by me.)

    My guess is that she wants to skedaddle back to New York, but Trump wants to go to Florida (and that’s a bit of a question itself, as no one is allowed to use Mar a Lago as a residence, it was part of the agreement signed with the city to turn it into a resort). Neighbors want the helipad gone, etc.

    Bottom line, she hated being first lady, and I sincerely doubt she’d be on board for another run. Which means either: she bolts, and he’s a thrice-divorced candidate gunning for the Evangelical vote, or, she holds the cards in this and he will blather about running but ultimately won’t.

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  48. Kathy says:

    @Jen:

    and he’s a thrice-divorced candidate gunning for the Evangelical vote

    You seriously think that will be a problem?

    Besides, he can always marry Ivanka to project a presentable family man image. And he can adopt his grandchildren and have his new wife raise them as his own.

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  49. CSK says:

    @Jen:
    I’m sure she would much prefer to be in New York. I recall that she didn’t move into the White house until June 2017, using the excuse that she couldn’t pull Barron out of school. That’s not troubling her now; she’s apparently more than willing to have the kid leave his Maryland school as of January 20.

    As to whether she’ll dump Trump, who knows? She may be able to negotiate some sort of deal where they stay officially married, and she agrees to show up at his side for the occasional public event, but otherwise, they’ll live apart. Maybe she’ll have in her own place at Trump Tower.

    If he goes to prison, she probably won’t be making visits to him with a basket of home-baked chocolate chip cookies.

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  50. DrDaveT says:

    @CSK:

    If he goes to prison, she probably won’t be making visits to him with a basket of home-baked chocolate chip cookies.

    I could see her bringing him a cake with an extremely dull file baked into it…

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  51. CSK says:

    @DrDaveT:
    Perhaps a cake with Ivanka baked into it.

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  52. JohnSF says:

    @Sleeping Dog:
    Exactly.
    Do ambitious Republican pols want to end up being Donald’s putative VP patsy for a 2024 run?
    Or if TrumpMedia (Newsmax or OANN deal?) really takes off, Trump able to play kingmaker and have them humiliated by being VP candidate to DonJr (or Ivanka)?
    Not to mention the potential for “Trumpocracy” to torpedo the GOP in both 2022 and 2024.

    The senior Republicans aren’t idiots; they know that Trump has to be taken out of the equation for their ambitions to flourish.
    But no one wants to be the one to bell the cat.
    I suspect they’ll want to wait till post-inauguration and then try to co-opt a retiring elder to co-ordinate the denunciations.

    Ideally they want to coerce enough current admin insiders to spill a torrent of beans, alongside state prosecutions and congressional or special investigator/prosecutor work.

    And they’ll want Murdoch onside for the assault.
    Murdoch has got to be gaming the potential returns of fighting Newsmax/OANN/”TrumpMedia” for the Trumpkin audience, and possibly losing the less “all in” Fox viewers.
    Or help take down Trump and allies, preferably without leading i.e. just by being the perfect channel for dropping turds in the punch-bowl.

    Referring back to some recent comments about Trump being too stupid to garner transactional national security material for his advantage.
    Maybe he is; maybe others aren’t so stupid; or rather, are stupid, but in a different way.
    Were I cynical GOP operator, I would be prepping to have the All Seeing Eye stare hard at a certain Mr Kushner.

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  53. MarkedMan says:

    @Kathy: My thoughts exactly. The idea that Evangelicals give a sh*t about morality is ludicrous at this point.

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  54. JohnSF says:

    @CSK:
    New York?
    Or perhaps Slovenia might be more congenial.

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  55. flat earth luddite says:

    @charon:

    TOOTH LOSS is one symptom of #LongCovid. Congressman Louie Gohmert’s tooth just came out during a speech. He had #COVID19 many months ago. Many reports of COVID-related tooth lose in NYT, as well as documented by @Survivor_Corps

    Dimmit, Charon, now all of us long-term cancer survivors (long-term chemo/radiation are known to cause severe osteoporosis and tooth loss) are going to be mistaken for MAGAts? Crapola!!!!!!!

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  56. Jen says:

    @Kathy:

    You seriously think that will be a problem?

    LOL, no. I should have put a sarcasm tag on it, the hypocrisy is just so all-encompassing with this crowd.

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  57. CSK says:

    @flat earth luddite:
    I’m not saying it is this, but the tooth loss could be to long-term untreated periodontitis.

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  58. Jen says:

    @CSK: The NYT piece on the covid/tooth loss link states that for the most part, post-covid recovery tooth loss does seem to be happening in people with prior periodontal disease. That’s not particularly useful information though, as the article notes nearly half of the population over age 30 has some form of periodontal disease.

    A key potential culprit is damage to the blood vessels, because these teeth are falling out with no pain and no blood loss. Freaky.

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  59. gVOR08 says:

    @Teve:

    I can’t wait to read the next take about how left-wing cancel culture is the greatest threat facing America.

    I found myself this morning humming a few bars of Old Man River. I had a similar thought about Paul Robeson. How many careers did McCarthy and anti-communist zealotry destroy? But I’m sure that was trivial compared to criticizing Neal Katyal for representing child slavers at one remove.

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  60. CSK says:

    @Jen:
    It is indeed, but I know someone who suffered a painless, bloodless tooth loss way before Covid-19. He did have periodontitis, though.

    Covid may manifest itself long-term as an acceleration of a specific ailment someone was already suffering.

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  61. gVOR08 says:

    @charon: You quote the Bulwark article,

    When you look at Trump’s administration it is clear that he sees the GOP not as a political party which exists as a vehicle to execute policy visions, but an asset. And assets exist to be controlled and passed down to one’s heirs.

    I think this ignores a more complicated dynamic. Tax cuts got passed. We continue to ignore AGW. We only built bits and pieces of the Wall. The actual agenda is not quite Trump’s agenda. The Republican Party is an asset of Charles Koch and the Billionaire Boys Club and they do use it to execute their policy visions. One thing I’ve learned from this blog is how entrepreneurial electoral politics is. Trump showed himself to be a master manipulator of the base and pulled off sort of a half-coup, taking over not really as head of the party but as figurehead of the party. The plutocrats were forced to compromise some on trade, but a small price to pay for retaining power. And when you read “Trump did so and so”, much of the time it’s really the Koch and other Republican apparatchicks who did it. Trump has nowhere near that level of control over detail.

    Now, it’s long been suggested the plutocrats would lose control to the “populists”. That the inmates would take over the asylum. And Trump may prove to be the leading edge of this. But right now, it’s only Trump’s party because it’s convenient for the real owners to profit off his control of the base.

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  62. Kathy says:

    We have our first Trial of the Century.

    The FTC along with 48 states, have sued Facebook for antitrust violations.

    The big question, aside of how much money will be spent on lawyers, is whether the trial will come to a conclusion before Biden’s first term does. The MS trial was looooong.

    Also, I’d look, really hard, at Facebook and Zuckerberg, since they are very likely to hire private investigators to dig up dirt on the states’ and government’s lawyers, witnesses, etc.

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  63. Michael Cain says:

    @Kathy: Iffy on Trial of the Century. Yesterday the Texas AG sued WI, MI, PA and GA, claiming the Supreme Court had to take the case because it was interstate so fell under their original jurisdiction. Basically seemed to me to be a matter of no-excuse absentee ballots are unconstitutional, so the elections in those four states should be tossed. Today, 17 other states filed an amicus brief supporting Texas. Some of the amicus states use… wait for it… no-excuse absentee ballots.

    Facebook antitrust is one thing (I wonder what the FTC and states are claiming is the market that Facebook dominates?). 21 states — so far — before the Supreme Court fighting over election practices? So we’re at about the equivalent to what in the run-up to the American Civil War — 1850 and the Fugitive Slave Act?

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  64. JohnSF says:

    Oh f@<k me sideways.
    So, I said, these were the final, the absolutely final UK/EU negotiations?
    My bad.

    “A decision on a trade deal is promised by Sunday…”

    Oh, come swiftly, sweet meteor of doom!

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  65. Kathy says:

    @Michael Cain:

    I think it will be dismissed because the states lack standing, I don’t think they can show any harm, and the remedy they seek is ridiculous.

    besides some states filing amicus using the no-excuse ballots, wouldn’t such a decision invalidate all the votes in states that are mail-only voting, like Washington, Colorado, Utah, etc.?

    So a trial that doesn’t take place is hardly a Trial of the Century.

    BTW, if the SCOTUS dismisses the case, can they appeal to the SCOTUS? 😉

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  66. Teve says:

    @leslieoo7

    I would get a vaccine, but they’re saying it will implant a tracking device and I am not sure if I want my entire cell phone injected into my arm.

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  67. Teve says:

    We are now having a 9/11 per day, and we will for the remainder of the year.

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  68. flat earth luddite says:

    @CSK:

    I’m not saying it is this, but the tooth loss could be to long-term untreated periodontitis.

    The data isn’t complete or conclusive, but a large percentage of the population treating with long-term chemotherapy (and radiation) report subsequent osteoporosis and tooth loss months to years after treatment. While the anti cancer drugs do a good job of killing the cancer, reports from survivors identify significant long-term damage to our bodies. Factors likely include (a) drug toxicity, (b) inability to have routine dental care while immunocompromised, (c) most disability insurance (i.e. SSDI) doesn’t cover dental when you’re done with treatment. Oh, and did I mention the drugs are so flipping toxic?

    My oncology doctor and team discussed these features with me extensively before, during, and after nearly 4 years of week on/week off chemo, and I gladly agreed to it because the benefits far outweigh the damages. Overall, I’m happy to be stumbling around 7 years after the expiration date on my milk carton.

    I’m just sniveling about the fact that I might be misidentified as a “Cletus” when in fact I’m a Luddite! Completely different grouping.

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  69. Michael Cain says:

    @Kathy: You are more optimistic than I am. There’s a bunch of states that believe they may not win this time, but within the foreseeable future they are going to grind California under their heels… This year’s cases are the foundation for those. See also, Tariff of Abominations. About thirty years later the cannons opened fire. I’m just hoping for a peaceful partition.

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  70. CSK says:

    @flat earth luddite:
    Cletus doesn’t express himself nearly as well as you do.

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  71. Teve says:

    @kurteichenwald

    Each night before I go to bed, I read about fascism (yah, I’m fun) – how it evolves and overtakes functioning democracy. This is why I am no longer amused by the GOP antics. They know what theyre doing. Their donors want it. They are pushing toward fascist autocracy. In fact…/1

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  72. Jim Brown 32 says:

    @CSK: Or at least a pair of her undies. Might be good to trade for a few mollys if he can bear to part with them

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  73. Teve says:

    @McJesse

    Die Hard is a Harry Potter movie.

    @McJesse

    He sneaks around a tower at night avoiding Alan Rickman. It’s a Harry Potter movie.

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  74. Teve says:

    Hayes using my favorite Law and Order term.

    @chrislhayes

    The President’s Covid response has crossed over into something best described as depraved indifference.

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  75. Jen says:

    The recently-elected speaker of the NH House, a Republican, has died, age 71.

    They seem to be trying to deflect the obvious question:

    Hinch was attending a virtual meeting with legislators on Tuesday, but had reportedly been feeling ill after spending most of the cold day Dec. 2 outdoors for Organization Day. He normally would have chaired the meeting had he not been feeling sick.

    Packard told people at the meeting Tuesday, which was covered by InDepthNH.org, that Hinch had cold-like symptoms that were not COVID-19-related.

    Organization Day was held outdoors at the University of New Hampshire in the cold due to concerns about COVID-19.

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  76. Kathy says:

    I guess tomorrow there will be much discussion about Hunter Biden.

    Before the Republicans get on their high horse, they should keep in mind Trump the One-Term Loser has been mulling ver preemptive pardons for all his adult children.

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  77. Jax says:

    @Kathy: I prefer to think of it as a warning shot across the bow of the Trump 2024 ship. He can only pardon federal crimes, how’s it gonna look when the charges are all laid out? This is when MANY ads by the Lincoln Project and such should appear on Newsmax, Fox, OANN, laying out their federal crimes and what they got away with.

    Some will be cheering, “YEAH, LOOK WHAT THEY GOT AWAY WITH! FUCK YOU, LIBTARDS!”

    The rest will be wondering why they got audited way back when, when there are obviously MUCH bigger fish to fry.

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  78. Teve says:

    More will come out in the next few days, but according to tech and law oriented analysts who have read the antitrust filings against FB, the filings are remarkably clear and penetrating indictments of the company’s whole range of ugly behaviors.

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