Man Calls Out ‘Hillary Bitches’ on Airplane
An airline traveler wanted his fellow passengers to know that he was a supporter of the president-elect.
An airline traveler wanted his fellow passengers to know that he was a supporter of the president-elect.
A Donald Trump supporter got out of his seat and started yelling out screams of praise for the president-elect on a recent flight, much to the shock of other passengers.
A video taken on the Delta Airlines flight from Atlanta to Allentown shows the man mid-rant, goading other passengers over whether they too were Trump supporters or if they voted for Hillary Clinton.
‘Donald Trump baby!’ We got some Hillary b****es on here?’ the man is heard saying in the clip, which has quickly spread on Facebook since it was posted on Tuesday.
The man continues: ‘Come on baby, Trump! Donald Trump is your President. Every god damn one of you. If you don’t like it, too bad.’
The video was taken by a yoga teacher named Emma Baum and has been shared over 4,000 times on Facebook.
As the man sits down and the camera pans back through the cabin, numerous passengers appeared annoyed or in shock that the man decided to get up and speak in the first place.
Baum said that the man was taken away by flight attendants for ‘at least 15 minutes’ before being returned to his seat.
Upon sitting back down, Baum said the man remarked: ‘This is what you get for being a patriot.’
Here’s the video:
One suspects that, in addition to being a patriot, he was also drunk. His conduct was, to coin a phrase, deplorable.
Jesus wept.
Give the guy a break, he’s just trying to get a cabinet position.
There were 3-4 segments about this during the three hours or so I was watching CNN yesterday. This may have been due to it being a slow news day, but I honestly wonder why stories like this are “news” other than the fact that one of the passengers happened to turn their camera phone on.
With all the talk about “fake news” we also need another discussion about a different kind of “news” —- call it “accurate but irrelevant.”
@Scott O: He’d make the perfect Secretary of Transportation for the incoming Trump administration.
@Doug Mataconis:
If this were the only such incident since the election, I would agree with you. Unfortunately, there have been dozens, ranging from college students following a black female, chanting “Trump, Trump, Trump” to elementary school students telling Hispanics in their classes to go home to Mexico.
Or as America’s Finest News Source put it:
““In fact, acting like Mr. Trump does for even a moment will result in a wide range of negative social—and in some cases, criminal—consequences for you personally. Put simply, you should not be engaging with the world in any way comparable to Mr. Trump. This was true before he was elected, and it will be true long after he’s gone.” At press time, the reports’ findings were being summarily dismissed out of hand by roughly 45 percent of the nation’s population in a manner identical to that of Donald Trump.”
@Moosebreath:
There have also been incidents where Trump supporters were attacked.
Including these from
— Portland, Oregon
— Rockville, Maryland
—- Woodside, California
and
— Chicago, Illinois
And those are just the first four incidents that came up in a Google search.
Those stories are news because they were actual assaults. As James said, this is a (most likely drunk) dude on a plane. It hardly deserves the viral coverage it got yesterday.
The Trumpkins are claiming this guy was a Soros-paid leftwing agitator hired to make real Trump fans look bad.
In actual news, Fidel Castro has died.
@CSK:
I’d heard and figure OTB readers had as well. I just don’t have much to say about the death of a 90-year-old man who used to be dictator of Cuba.
@James Joyner:
I know; I wasn’t being petty. Your reaction seems to be, so far, the same as everyone else’s. It’s as if Castro passed his sell-by date 30 years ago. It seems as if it should be a bigger deal.
@Doug Mataconis:
Doug,
In short, this is because those who voted for Ms. Clinton are trying to understand the mindset of our new minority in power.
Who are these people that have no empathy, no knowledge of history, no ability to tell the truth from a boldfaced lie, and no memory that will allow them to recognize what they were told in the primary and what already appears to be a completely different administration forming in DC?
What are these ‘Mericans? Why do they distain the Constitution and Bill of Rights?
What causes their amazing sense of ego and sense of entitlement above others of their country?
We have not focused on these before, but the next two years will give us an insight on their bifurcated mental process.
What will they do when they realize their perceived nationalist leader sold them out?
@Liberal Capitalist:
One could ask similar questions about the people who have been beating people who supported Donald Trump, as I noted in my comment above.
@Doug Mataconis: So, you equivocate four incidents you were able to find vs the hundreds of recorded and documented cases of pro-Trump violence and pro-Trump intimidation? This is your “both sides do it” take?
If we pull out a scale, it would not balance, at all, sir…
@david:
As I said those were just the first four I found on Google. Since you and Moosebreath seem to claim it is only happening on one side of the election, it is necessary to point out reality.
Neither sides actions are justified of course, but neither are relevant to what happened in this case which was basically just a drunk guy on a plane whose antics just happened to be caught on a camera phone and posted Instagram. He wasn’t violent and nobody was injured. This wasn’t “news” at all.
Getting annoyed or shocked is just giving them what they want. If someone does this around you, you should laugh at them.
I mean how much of a loser do you have to be that Trump getting elected is the thing in your life you’re most excited about?
Obviously, a society can not function without rules. The law establishes a border for conduct that requires the power and muscle of the state to step in and sanction those who violate those borders. Assault is a clear violation and I support sanctions. Many actions short of actual crimes are disruptive to the peace of our society. Unfortunately, people tend to take the law which defines the outer limits as the guide for their behavior. I am not uncomfortable with people who drive 57 in a 55, but uncivil behavior will lead to uncivil responses, and soon we become uncivilized. We need to treat each other with respect and courtesy. We need to practice sportsmanship and be gracious in victory and defeat. Certainly, the President of the United States has a grave responsibility to be a good example in this regard. I am concerned that Mr. Trump may not be setting a good example in this regard with some of his tweets. Let’s all be inspired to act “with malice toward none” as a genuinely great President once said.
Please refrain from screaming on airplanes. Assault is a crime.
@Doug Mataconis:
” Since you and Moosebreath seem to claim it is only happening on one side of the election,”
Mindreading foul — fifteen yard penalty.
No doubt assaults over political views by either side are news worthy. However, attempts at intimidation over political views is also newsworthy. And I am amazed that a self-proclaimed Libertarian seems to feel otherwise.
@Moosebreath:
Where did I say the acts of violence weren’t newsworthy?
Oh that’s right, I didn’t. In fact, I said quite the opposite.
This wasn’t an act of violence, though, and would not have been “news” but for some college student (or so I assume given how young she appeared when interviewed on CNN yesterday) and a smartphone.
@Doug Mataconis:
“Where did I say the acts of violence weren’t newsworthy?
Oh that’s right, I didn’t. In fact, I said quite the opposite.”
Right, you didn’t. And I never said otherwise. You said only acts of violence are newsworthy. And you also said intimidation on political grounds which falls short of violence is not newsworthy. Just as I said above.
@Moosebreath:
There is no voilence in this story, just a drunk guy on an airplane.
@Doug Mataconis:
“There is no voilence in this story, just a drunk guy on an airplane. ”
Again, correct. And you seem to think that is the end of the discussion, because political intimidation where violence is not actually used is not newsworthy.
And I remain amazed at this position.
@Moosebreath:
There are drunk people on airplanes every day in the United States. Usually, they are deal with without the story becoming nationwide news. That is my only point.
Already, we’ve wasted far too many comments on this non-story. Feel free to continue. I’m moving on.
@Doug Mataconis:
Ever been threatened by an out-of-control drunk?
Ever seen a mob turn ugly?
Is only an act that has a physical touch now violence?
Without going to extremes, intimidation is violence.
Put a brown shirt on him, and he could have been cheering the 1932 election.
@DougMataconis: sure, there are drunk people on planes every day. I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise. Nor is anyone arguing that there haven’t been bad actors on either side of the political divide who have engaged in deplorable acts.
I think the difference here is that this was a drunken person who was harassing/intimidating/heckling fellow passengers on a plane (where they couldn’t get off or otherwise move away to ignore him) based on the results of an election. Maybe it doesn’t rise to the level of “violence” but it’s certainly indicative of a pattern that we’ve seen in the wake of Trump’s election. There’s been an open air of sexism/misogyny around Trump and his campaign and to have a drunk on a plane call out “Hillary Bitches” is…what exactly? Do you think people should just shrug it off?
@Doug Mataconis:
Not sure I agree with that. Muslims have been kept from flying in this country simply for speaking Arabic as they go about their lawful business. Surely an unstable public rant suggests that the individual in question could potentially be a threat to the safety of other passengers and the crew.
Every time I see someone acting like an ass on an airplane, I immediately assume it has a large part to do with the tiny seats, the fights for the tiny amount of overhead space now that checked bags cost money, the long lines in security, and everything else that has made airplane travel a complete hell.
Not saying that this guy isn’t normally an asshole, but he’s a lot more likely to be a quiet asshole in a less miserable situation. He was probably set off when someone failed to provide the appropriate reverence and fealty to Mr. Trump, perhaps by comparing him to an incompetent racist tangerine with poor impulse control. But, he could have been set off just as easily by the person in front of him putting the seat back.
Also, #NotMyPresident.
@Gustopher:
@Gustopher:
Commercial air travel on major carries has indeed become miserable, basically a Greyhound bus in the sky. I’ve been flying with these guys whenever I can.
@Liberal Capitalist: Yeah, the guy is a creep and a loser. But I gotta say I agree with Doug here — this isn’t national news. It’s the same kind of crap that won the election for Trump — the replacement of actual news with entertaining outrage.
@david:
I hate it when I’m forced to defend Trump supporters, but take a look at the anti-Trump riots – lot’s of violence there too.
Seriously, please don’t make rational people defend Trump supporters by pretending there aren’t idiots on both sides. The difference is that Trump has idiots in positions of power, not that the bottom 1% of his supporters are worse in the violence department than the same 1% of Clinton supporters.
And its not even 1%. 1% of 60 million (Clinton or Trump) is 600,000 people. We’re nowhere near that for either party. Concentrate on the idiots Trump is putting in important positions, not the idiots both sides have as 0.01% of their voters.
@Liberal Capitalist:
So if there’s no difference between saying bad things and actually doing bad things, why stop at saying them?
You’re dialing everything up to 11 again. This is why so many didn’t care that Trump was called a racist. Romney was called a racist. Bush was called a racist. For that matter, Clinton was called a racist in the 2008 primary. If everyone is called a racist, then it doesn’t mean anything, and people ignore it.
So when someone like Trump comes along no one pays attention because they’ve heard a million times before. “Sure, Trump’s a racist, so is everyone else in the world”, is a comment I heard more than once. And trying to say, “Yeah, I called the others racists too, but this time I really mean it” is less convincing than you might hope.
There are instances of Trump supporters doing actual violence. This isn’t one of them, and if you’re equating this to the four instances of violence to Trump supporters you’ve lost all perspective.
The thing I find newsworthy is not the outburst, but that he wasn’t removed from the plane. In a world where working on a math calculation is perceived as suspicious, that is noteworthy
@george:
No.
First, it’s Doug doing the false equivalence, not me. Doug is trying to say “nuh-uh, this isn’t bad because of that”.
If Dough and you want an equivalence of violence for violence then consider…
So, THAT would be the equivalent.
I did not say that it was equivalent… However what that “gentleman” did on the plane? That was intimidation, and loud drunken intimidation (especially in this confined space) is violence.
Let’s talk instead of false equivalence on how this disturbance was treated. Imagine if this person happened to be of Arabic decent, and acted the same EAXCT way, stating how they are proud of ISIS bringing about change?
Would they have been politely asked to sit down?
Yes, there are some bad people on both sides acting badly.
But, this election has torn the country apart and created more open wounds than any election I have seen. Both sides did not do that.
I also find sore winners to be far more obnoxious than sore losers.
I’m not going to show respect or any kind of fealty to the dead cat upon the Mr. Trump’s scalp, or the racist citrusy douche directly underneath until such time as he actually starts representing the interests of all Americans.
More Americans voted for Clinton. Millions more. Mr. Trump is only the President-Elect due to a quirk of our system being undemocratic. And if that makes a Trumpeters all insecure about their bloated garbage bag of a hero, well suck it.
It would have been appropriate to lock this man in the restroom until this flight reached Guantanamo
@Gromitt Gunn:
He was apparently moved for 15 minutes and then allowed back on.
So, just why is this event newsworthy, but the Trump supporters treatened and attacked, including death threats against Trump electors, are not? No mention of the open riots in some cities?
The simplest answer is insulting to our host — he dislikes Trump and Trump supporters, and wants to discredit them. But casting such aspersions would be ungracious, so we must look deeper. Here are some possibilities:
1) Trump supporters engaging in violence is so rare, that this is a “man bites dog” story. However, anti-Trumpers are so violent that their outbursts are more “dog bites man” stories.
2) The Trump supporters are so deplorable, that they simply deserve what they’re getting.
3) Our Host simply hasn’t heard about the anti-Trump stories.
@Liberal Capitalist: Interesting list. Why didn’t you give credit to where you found it? Kinda looks like either plagiarism, or you didn’t want anyone to notice how you selectively edited it.
Anyway, this looks like your source.
Here are a couple you
deletedmissed:Plus, you missed the Trump campaign office that was firebombed, the other offices vandalized, the CEO of a cybersecurity firm literally threatening to assassinate Trump with a sniper rifle, the Wisconsin spice company that sent an email to all customers telling them that Trump supporters were no longer welcome to be customers, the CEO of GrubHub telling all employees who voted for Trump should resign…
@Jenos The Deplorable:
1) I am not a journalist, nor am I suggesting that I gathered the information myself, so this is not plagiarism. I even specifically included this information in a block quote section, indicating that the words were not mine. Also please note that I did not include your entire statement either, but the section that I wanted to address in this response.
If you want plagiarism, I suggest reports of Trumps campaign web page and Mrs. Trumps speech to America.
Everything that Donald Trump has Plagiarized
2) I specifically “selectively” chose those items that reflected Trump supporter induced violence, as Doug “selectively” chose to discuss only four examples of Clinton supporter induced violence. My point was that equivalent examples of physical violence.
The point being made in this article is that there appears to be many Trump supporters that somehow believe that Trump’s election means that they can go to their most base state.
This morning, I listened on Denver Morning news how a gay couple were insulted while shopping at a Floor and Décor:
This type of intimidation is rising. It is reported that there have been over 700 reported cases of both direct violence and intimidation as documented by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
So, we find another false equivalency of both sides do it, at least by the number of events themselves.
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Has Trump spoken out against it?
Yes. He said: “Stop it.”
Clearly a moving speech from the President-elect. (However, It appears not to be having the expected result.)
Many Trump supporters seem to be VERY proud of wearing the “Deplorable” banner, and living up to the expectations of the name.
( My response to Jenos was placed in moderation because I quoted a Trump supporter… go figure… Even the web bot thinks that they are deplorable ).
@James Joyner:
Said a Delta spokesperson in a statement, according to BuzzFeed:
(Emphasis mine)
@Doug Mataconis:
This story is “news” because it fits the narrative certain folks are trying to build about “Trump’s America.” You won’t hear about the Trump supporter who served Thanksgiving dinner to homeless people because in the narrative, those people don’t exist.
Trump supporters are all crude, rude, and socially unacceptable. This guy proves it. Believe nothing more nuanced than that.
@Jenos The Deplorable:
Open riots? Speaking of narratives…..
Both sides do it!
@Jenos The Deplorable: Click.
@Doug Mataconis: Doug–let me tell you as a female that a “drunk guy” who won’t take “no” as an answer is pretty frightening.
@grumpy realist: True dat. Way more frightening than a guy vowing to get a sniper rifle and shoot Trump, or firebombing an office. I’d much rather deal with a drunk guy on an airplane who just won’t shut up and leave me alone.
@Jenos The Deplorable: Jenos–how many times have you been pestered by a drunk who won’t take no for an answer?
Do you even know what women go through?
@grumpy realist:
While I take your point, I have an honest question:
Do you think it’s a problem to equate admittedly obnoxious but basically non-threatening behavior with something far more sinister?
Oh, never mind. Here I am, attempting to use Socratic questioning to clarify an idea, and it’s just a Battle of the Narratives.
Let me just say it: Neither rape nor riots are the proper context to understand this incident. Points for effort though.
@grumpy realist: I’m a guy, so I’ve never been threatened by an obnoxious drunk that way, but I’ve encountered my share of abusive drunks.
However, I will stand by my assertion that it’s not as threatening as having your office firebombed, or what happened to this guy.
On the plane, there were plenty of other people around, and post-9/11 I have no problem believing that if the guy had gotten violent, he would have been taken down. That wasn’t a possibility in the cases I cited.
@Jenos The Deplorable:
The problem, Jenos, is that, yes, it’s true that this jerk was not as threatening as the Trump-supporting car-jacking victim, but what does that have to do with this?
Same question for Grumpy. What does this guy have to do with gropey would-be-rapists?
Seems to me he was economically anxious.
I’m told that we should “empathize” with such members of the white working class, who aren’t mysogynistic no matter what they say or do.
@stonetools:
Why change now? Stick with what works, right?
Amazing how the grieving process can make some contort even the most mundane stories into a referendum on Trump.
Did I say amazing? Pathetic, really.
Trump on Twitter:
If ever he was stuck in coach, he would be acting just like the “Hillary Bitches” guy.
He won the Electoral College, but the big prize isn’t big enough. He demands respect without working for it, and boy does he get pissy when he doesn’t get it. Millions more voted for Clinton than him. Millions. And he hates it.
If he recognized that he was a minority winner, and began setting up his cabinet that way and acting with the humility that such a position requires, he might earn that respect. But he won’t. And if he cannot win the respect of Americans, how will he get the respect of foreign leaders? If he cannot win the respect of Americans, how will he Make America Great Again?
So, enjoy Trumpeteers. Your man got the big prize and will do everything to make himself “embattled loser of popular vote, President-Elect, Donald J Trump, the Golden Ass.” Also, enjoy the conspiracy theories. And the idiocy. This shit is on you.
@Liberal Capitalist: (shrug) So you selectively edited to make your point, and omitted a link to frustrate anyone who might want to fact-check you. Cool.
So Trump said “stop it.” When Obama was asked about the rioting, he replied (you really can’t call it an “answer”) thus:
And here the link for my source.
And as far as “equivalent,” I’d be curious to see what you consider as “equivalent” to beating and carjacking, firebombing, and an attempted assassination attempt.
Oh, and I forgot about the admissions of one Mr. Robert Creamer, convicted felon, frequent White House guest, and political fixer who admitted he paid provocateurs to impersonate Sanders supporters and start violence at Trump rallies. I wonder how many of those incidents you cited have his fingerprints on them.
@Jenos The Deplorable: Why should Mr. President tell people to not protest the electoral college victory of a candidate who lost the popular vote by millions? The actions of a small few should not limit the rights of others.
Mr. Trump has done everything he could to divide the country during the campaign. He gave the white supremacists a seat at the table, and he threatened to jail his opponent. He incited the crowds at his rallies to violence against protesters. He threatened to reporters for libel. These are things that damage the institutions of democracy.
The kumquat-colored, KKK-supported comb-over should be protested. The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of tyrants, and gently misted with the humiliation of those who would trend towards tyranny.
Mr. Trump is responsible for this. Mr. Trump and the people who enabled him at every step along the way, and the people who voted for him in the end.
Enjoy your President-Elect Shitgibbon. He’s not my Shitgibbon, I voted with the majority against him, and with the plurality for his opponent.
@Gustopher: Why should Mr. President tell people to not protest the electoral college victory of a candidate who lost the popular vote by millions?
I’ll assume you’re being ignorant here, and not disingenuous. Obama was asked about the rioters (rioting is not “speech,’ but action — and criminal action at that), and chose to ignore that question and answer as if he was asked a different question. So, instead of “what do you think of these rioters,” he pretended he was asked “shouldn’t these sore losers just shut up and suck it up?”
As for the rest of your twaddle… you really are upset that you couldn’t drag Hillary’s brain-damaged, corrupt, inept, petty, vindictive, ass across the finish line against “the worst person in the world,” aren’t you?
The Republicans found themselves saddled with Trump (at least in part thanks to Hillary and her henchpeople’s quasi-legal machinations), and even with that, your side couldn’t come up with someone who could beat him? Hillary was the best you could do?
No wonder you’re so upset.
@Jenos The Deplorable:
No.
Even though you deviate wildly from the original point (that of the discussion of the qualification of a drunken lout behaving unapologetically in a confined space), I will go along with your discussion.
First, lets look at what you wrote above:
In fact, from the article link that you provided it specifically says:
This is two completely different items.
From President Obama’s response (which you quoted, thank you), it seems that his response indicates respected the first amendment rights of peaceful protest of both those opposed to him during his presidency as well as those who had supported Ms. Clinton.
Now, why would a president say that?
Could it be:
Let’s look at the actiosn:
Why would Clinton supporters protest Trump? Possibly because he has already come out against most of the first amendment.
“the right of the people peaceably to assemble” is something that we will need to support over the next 4 years.
So, does peaceful protest = Violence and Riots?
No.
Is it possible that some protesters can behave badly when the majority remain peaceful? Yes.
However, when that number of violent events hits 700, then let me know.
The SPLC states:
And, so that you can say in a false equivalency that both sides do it:
701 v. 27
I guess that to sway that, you would have to use the same Trumpian logic of his stating that he won the popular vote due to 2 million cases of individual voter fraud.
Or just defend those who behave deplorably.
Going back to the original point: Intimidation is violence.
@Jenos The Deplorable:
Good job, you managed to include many of the brain-damaged echo-chamber anti-Hillary talking-point adjectives in one sentence. Now, go have another Kool Aid, on the Trump Tower House.
@al-Ameda: Hillary stated, under oath, that she couldn’t remember her security briefings (ones that she signed, under penalty of perjury, that she had taken) because of memory loss following her concussion.
That is either A) brain damage, B) a leading qualification for the Democratic nomination for president, or C) both.
@Jenos The Deplorable:
Again, nothing but echo chamber talking points after nearly 25 years of Republican-directed investigations of the Clintons.
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CODA:
Delta Bans Trump Supporter Who Ranted At ‘Hillary Bitches’ On Flight
And, again, I will likely be put in moderation for quoting a deplorable.
Other than his obviously idiotic actions, what makes everyone so sure the guy was drunk?
He certainly didn’t sound drunk other than the content of his speech.
@Doug Mataconis: well there’s difference in how liberals behave and normal people…..liberals are expected to be violent, illogical and childish- that’s why it’s rarely “news” when they act like that. if/when a normal person behaves like that- it could be considered “news” as long as that person supports views contrary to the media/liberals.
it’s like the “rioting for peace” crowd who don’t get the irony that they’re destroying things under the pretense of being all about “peace”….
@bill: Wait I thought liberals were a bunch of hippy pussies? Or are they arugula eating latte sipping limousine riding wimps who are scared of saying anything that might hurt someone’s feelings because of political correctness?
It’s kind of hilarious how much conservative’s talking points about liberals contradict each other..
IT’s okay though Bill. We understand that to you liberals are whatever boogeyman you hate at that moment.
@Matt: Here’s the element you’re missing: emotional immaturity. Most of the time, they’re the whining gits. But every now and then they throw their temper tantrums.
Plus, they worry about hurting people’s feelings. But conservatives aren’t really people, so they don’t count.
But back on topic… the moron in question should’ve been bounced from the plane. Others have been bounced for less.
It is remarkable, though, what Our Hosts consider “newsworthy” and what they consider “not newsworthy.”
@Matt:
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Liberal Capitalist…
His malamutes enjoy arugula.
He prefers an espresso over latte.
And He will always take a limo and pass on the rental car.
He is… the most interesting liberal in the world.
🙂
@Jenos The Deplorable: Gee golly it must be wonderful to live knowing everything about everyone you’ve never met.
Meanwhile here in reality people are complex animals with a wide range of beliefs and motivations..
@grumpy realist:
Pretty sure that Jenos IS that guy at the bar annoying the girls. I used to be a bartender, you can spot his type a mile away.
Look who’s has been banned for life from flying Delta. Good.
@Liberal Capitalist:
I believe that the ‘liberal stereotype’ has been updated as follows:
arugula is now … kale
espresso is now … espresso from fair trade non-GMO Somalian beans
limo is now … Uber
I’ve always thought that liberals need to embrace being a liberal, and stop apologizing for it, or looking for another word to use in place of liberal. The very fact that liberals exist causes about 50% of conservatives (aka Republican base) to become unhinged.
@al-Ameda:
I like arugula, but I’m convinced Kale is some sort of “Candid Camera” style prank, because kale tastes like grass clippings.