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60% Of Voters Wouldn’t Even Consider Voting For Sarah Palin For POTUS

According to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll:

Sarah Palin has played a prominent role in defining Republican Party politics this year but still faces sizable obstacles if she decides to run for president in 2012, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Six in 10 voters say they would not even consider voting for the former Alaska governor if she launches a White House bid, and she loses badly to President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 general election test.

Despite her high profile, amplified this fall by her campaign appearances and endorsements and her new reality TV program, “Sarah Palin’s Alaska,” Palin has not made demonstrable progress in overcoming opposition to her possible candidacy. If anything, she has slipped over the past year.

A slim 8 percent of all registered voters say they would definitely vote for Palin for president, while 31 percent say they would consider doing so. Fully 60 percent say they definitely would not. Among all Americans, 59 percent say they would not vote for her, up from 53 percent in November 2009.

Even among Republicans, Palin has detractors, with 29 percent saying they would definitely not back her candidacy. Her highest support comes from Republican women and conservative Republicans. Even so, only about one in five in each group say they would certainly support her presidential bid.

Neither does Palin enjoy wide support among independents: 62 percent say they definitely would not vote for her. Among moderates, 66 percent write off her prospective candidacy.

In a hypothetical head-to-head general election matchup against Obama, the president prevails by 13 percentage points over Palin among registered voters, 53 to 40 percent. Palin draws 78 percent of Republicans in that test, while Obama enjoys support from 89 percent of Democrats. Independents break widely – 56 percent to 35 percent – for the incumbent.

This comes on top of two recent polls that show Palin trailing Obama by 22 points, and showing that she remains the most polarizing political figure in the United States. Add that together with this:

and you’ve got an impossible situation that any rational politician would take as a fairly strong argument for not getting into the race. Palin, however, has never done things that rational politicians do, which is why so many pundits think that she really will run despite the fact that the polls show that she cannot possibly win.

President Obama has his own electoral problems for sure, and the GOP has a decent chance of beating him in 2012. As long as they don’t nominate the one candidate who has absolutely no chance of winning.

But nobody would be dumb enough to do that, would they?

Surely not.

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Doug holds a B.A. in Political Science from Rutgers University and J.D. from George Mason University School of Law. He joined the staff of OTB in May, 2010 and also writes at Below The Beltway. Follow Doug on Twitter | Facebook

Comments

  1. Chris says:

    Why does it say “Article Stolen from…” in NetNewsWire with OTB articles? I use the RSS link that’s provided by this site? Seems a little strange. Is there a problem with reading OTB in an RSS feed?

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  2. JKB says:

    It’s two years away. Two years ago, a lot of impressionable fools thought Obama was the next best thing since sliced bread. Now not so much.

    Not to mention this is a poll commissioned by DC media this viscerally hostile to Palin and probably conducted by a polling firm desperate to see her not run. So there’s that to consider.

    However, the DC elite and their media dogs have been successful in smearing Palin with the not ready label. A charge still amusing when tossed by those who supported the ultimate not ready for primetime player Obama. Doubly when they have to argue that Obama proves that we shouldn’t risk Palin.

    However, Palin should stay “in the running” until the last moment. And even afterwards, she has the attention to define the election, at least until the general election candidates are certain. She should do this because she has good ideas and just to keep the DC elite downing the antacid.

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  3. Patrick T. McGuire says:

    “President Obama has his own electoral problems for sure, and the GOP has a decent chance of beating him in 2012. As long as they don’t nominate the one candidate who has absolutely no chance of winning.”

    By the time Nov. 2012 comes around, anyone who can chew gum and walk at the same time will be able to beat Obama.

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  4. tom p says:

    what I find interesting is that ONLY 1-2% are “undecided”… that says alot right there.

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  5. Derrick says:

    If you think that, then you have absolutely no real concept of Presidential politics. Presidents running for re-election have signifcant advantages that are not to be taken lightly. A lot of people said the same thing about GW in 2004 and we all saw how that turned out.

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  6. Joel says:

    I think Obama will win reelection barring a disaster or a major scandal.

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  7. Smooth Jazz says:

    “Not to mention this is a poll commissioned by DC media this viscerally hostile to Palin and probably conducted by a polling firm desperate to see her not run. So there’s that to consider.”

    Don’t mind Doug; He has to get his daily Palin whack job in – sometimes 2 or 3 times a day. I mean, how many times can you say “Palin is Polarizing”, “Palin is Divisive”, “Palin cannot win”, “Palin should go back to Alaska” without sounding like you are repeating yourself TOO MUCH. Yet, this guy hives up 2 or 3 posts a day, often citing biased media polls, to convince himself that what he is saying is true – using the same “code” words that left ling bloggers like to throw out there like “divisive”, “polarizing”, etc.

    It’s almost as if he HAS to keep repeating the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, again to convince himself.

    Never mind that 2012 starts off with a blank slate, if she decides to run. She will debate her peers; She will pick a running mate; She will be on the stump. In short, she will have the opportunity to redifine herself try to convince the American people she is up to the job – And can ignore Northeast left wing elites who keep telling her to stay home. If she wins the Repub nomination, should would have likely convinced enough voters, via her performance in debates etc, that she is up to the job, and thereby get a second look from voters. But she has to make her case and be able to change minds.

    She has the force of personality, talent and knowledge to do it IMO. If she cannot, she will be soundly beaten and folks like Doug can finally move on.

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  8. Davebo says:

    “If she cannot, she will be soundly beaten and folks like Doug can finally move on.”

    How many times does she have to be soundly beaten before she moves on?

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  9. Bleev K says:

    Personally, I would never vote for her.

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  10. anjin-san says:

    > you are repeating yourself TOO MUCH

    > It’s almost as if he HAS to keep repeating the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, again to convince himself.

    Pot, meet kettle.

    Palin is one of the most significant figures on the political landscape. That Doug, a political blogger, should comment on her is perfectly reasonable.

    You Doug obsession, on the other hand, is trending towards stalker country.

    > Never mind that 2012 starts off with a blank slate

    this statement pretty much shows that you are not qualified to make intelligent comments about politics. Why not start your own “I worship the ground Sarah walks on” blog, and see how it works out for you?

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  11. Tano says:

    “But nobody would be dumb enough to do that, would they?”

    Read the comments and weep, Doug. She will be the nominee, because the nutso fringe is large enough within the party, and passionate enough, and the other candidates weak enough, that she should be able to sail through. In fact, the more likely her chances appear to be, the more the serious candidates will decide to wait till 2016, lest they suffer an embarrassing loss.

    The real drama will revolve around the question of whether Obama can break 60%, and join Nixon, FDR, and LBJ in the “biggest landslides” category.

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  12. Herb says:

    Not only do I predict she will not win, I predict she won’t even run. All the signals I’m getting from her these days are those of a celebrity doing celebrity things. She just took Kate Gosselin camping and went down to Haiti for a photo op. This is People magazine stuff. Maybe she still harbors political ambitions, but it sure seems like she’s moved on to something else.

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  13. peterh says:

    With little to lose, I look for her to start testing that double-standard theory of hers……if the boehner can cry, well heck, I should also be able to…….watch for the crocodile tears on her next faux appearance…..her base will go wild…..but she’ll still face the same problem….a static base…..

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  14. wr says:

    Palin will begin 2012 with a blank slate? What, you think that after midnight on 12/21/11 everyone will magically forget everything they’ve thought about her since 2008? Or that they’ll all agree to say “Well, I used to think she was an incompetent clown, but now I’ll put that out of my head and only focus on what she does from here on?”

    But then you also seem to think she’ll be choosing her running mate before she wins the nomination, so I suppose there are still things you need to learn about the electoral process…

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  15. Jay Tea says:

    “If she cannot, she will be soundly beaten and folks like Doug can finally move on.”

    How many times does she have to be soundly beaten before she moves on?

    Still waiting for the first time.

    Lost the race for Lieutenant Governor, went to the Conservation Board, cleaned out a bunch of corrupt Republicans.

    Took the Veep nomination, made the race interesting and marginally competitive instead of a blowout.

    Was being strangled with bullshit ethics complaints that were bankrupting her and her family, threatening her staff, and costing the state tons of money, did the unthinkable and ended up even more powerful and nationally prominent. (Dumbasses should have just dropped the bullshit ethics charges after the election; she’d have likely returned to relative obscurity. Instead, they freed her from her day-to-day obligations.)

    So, how many times should she be soundly defeated before leaving? Let’s see after the first time happens.

    And man, Doug, she really does live rent-free in your head, doesn’t she?

    J.

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  16. mantis says:

    Aww, Jay’s back to defend his sweetheart. How adorable.

    You forgot to mention how many guns you all have, Jay, and how you aren’t afraid to use them against us libruls if you don’t get your way.

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  17. Zelsdorf Ragshaft III says:

    Mantis, how long did it take Jay to ban you from Wizbang? Where do you get the idea Jay even has guns? I notice you did not attack his arguement which is the reason you are not longer there.
    Sarah Palin will be elected President of the United States in 2012. Mark my words. The spin provided by Mataconis will have no effect on this election. Jay Tea did what some who blog on this site are incapable of doing. Listing accomplishments rather than concentrate on what they see as failures. Katie Couric will not be interviewing Palin this cycle. Doug, I want to you try to practice a little open minded behavior. Listen to Palin and how she speaks. Notice how she speaks directly to people. Obama is long winded but he speaks like a college professor. If you think the latter will win the people, you are not paying attention.

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  18. jwest says:

    As is typical when Doug writes about Palin, he can’t get through the first 3 words without making a mistake.

    “60% Of Voters……..”

    The poll was taken using adults, not registered or likely voters, which anyone who follows these things knows are heavily skewed towards low-information, left wing socio-economic groups. To be fair, even the Washington Post makes the same mistake in their biased “news” story. Apparently, the thrill of writing something negative about Palin is so powerful with the neo-socialists (both individual and institutional) that small items such as facts are ignored.

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  19. ponce says:

    …”are heavily skewed towards low-information, left wing socio-economic groups.”

    New study shows Fox News watchers are the most misinformed Americans:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/17/fox-news-viewers-are-the-_n_798146.html

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  20. mantis says:

    Mantis, how long did it take Jay to ban you from Wizbang?

    Never happened. I’ve told you this many times, but you are apparently brain damaged.

    Where do you get the idea Jay even has guns?

    I didn’t. He sure likes to talk about how his “side” has all the guns and ain’t afraid to use them, just like you do.

    I notice you did not attack his arguement which is the reason you are not longer there.

    There was an argument there? I thought it was just a MASH note to the love of his life.

    Sarah Palin will be elected President of the United States in 2012. Mark my words.

    Marked.

    The spin provided by Mataconis will have no effect on this election. Jay Tea did what some who blog on this site are incapable of doing. Listing accomplishments rather than concentrate on what they see as failures.

    What accomplishments? Bankrupting Wasilla? Quitting her job when the going got tough? Paying off the electorate with oil money (taxes!)?

    Katie Couric will not be interviewing Palin this cycle.

    I love that Katie Couric is the meanest, evilest person in the world to you guys, a mortal threat to your wingnut princess. Katie Couric! You’re pathetic.

    Obama is long winded but he speaks like a college professor. If you think the latter will win the people, you are not paying attention.

    Who is president again?

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  21. Zelsdorf Ragshaft III says:

    Doug, I know you will discount the poll because it is a FOX poll. But did you notice how Obama is at a 40% approval rating. If he continues to lose popularity in polls, just how difficult will it be to defeat someone who is only popular with a few commenters on OTB?

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  22. Zelsdorf Ragshaft III says:

    Mantis, you do not post at Wizbang anymore because they will not post what you write. Call it what you like. Go back to class dude, Where did you get that Couric is the meanest, evilest BS? What she is, is a bias TV personality passing as a journalist. The interview with Palin was very heavily edited. Why do you think they wanted to show Palin is poor light? Think hard. If you think Palin is a loser, you need to spend more of your day praying mantis.

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  23. Zelsdorf Ragshaft III says:

    Ponce and those who follow the Huffington post are what? The most informed. I guess you just do not watch Fox News. If you thinki Shepard Smith is a conservative, you have your hat on crooked. Where is the balance is Huffington’s perspective? Keep looking. I guess the reason Fox has a growing market share is because they skew the news, huh? Does someone read what you write before you post it? No, Look in to it.

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  24. mantis says:

    Mantis, you do not post at Wizbang anymore because they will not post what you write

    Sure they will. I left of my own accord, because that place went from having occasionally interesting and somewhat reasonable writing to being another RedState-style crap factory in love with the idea of killing political opponents.

    Where did you get that Couric is the meanest, evilest BS?

    Right here:

    Katie Couric will not be interviewing Palin this cycle.

    We won’t let that meanie ruin it for us this time!

    Why do you think they wanted to show Palin is poor light?

    Palin does that to herself.

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  25. jwest says:

    Ponce,

    The vast majority of your voting block is functionally illiterate and can’t make change for a dollar.

    Doug, on the other hand, is educated and intelligent, which makes it all the more egregious that he hasn’t found in his research an example of another politician who demonstrated the character and courage Palin did with her resignation from the AOGCC.

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  26. Zelsdorf Ragshaft III says:

    Her opening program on TLC had the largest audience TLC ever had. And that is your take on why you left. I guess if I were interested enough I woiuld go back and get the information which shows you were put out. It is not relivant in that you do not post there because your arguement was always soundly defeated. Infantile arguements always are when adults are present.
    Mantis why is it you have so much trouble with truth?

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  27. An Interested Party says:

    “The vast majority of your voting block is functionally illiterate and can’t make change for a dollar.”

    I’m just curious…who, exactly, makes up Ponce’s voting block?

    Oh, and do notice that the only people who are worried about Palin running are those like Doug and James who actually would prefer a Republican to win the White House in 2012…those who would prefer the president to win reelection, far from being “afraid” of Palin, actually want here to run, as that will guarantee the president’s reelection…

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  28. mantis says:

    Her opening program on TLC had the largest audience TLC ever had.

    And smaller than syndicated reruns of some sitcom called Two and a Half Men.

    And that is your take on why you left. I guess if I were interested enough I woiuld go back and get the information which shows you were put out

    You can try, but I’ve pointed this out to you several times, moron.

    Edward, mantis was never banned. He chose to exile himself. If he wanted to come back, he could.

    I’m sure you’ll forget about this due to your massive brain damage, but whatever.

    . It is not relivant in that you do not post there because your arguement was always soundly defeated.

    Sure it was. And I totally believe you think it’s not relivant (sic), since you bring it up (wrongly) almost every time you post a response to me.

    Infantile arguements always are when adults are present.

    Yes, the adults here know this. That’s why most don’t even bother to respond to your idiocy.

    Mantis why is it you have so much trouble with truth?

    You don’t know the meaning of the word.

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  29. Is this a trick question? Maybe because polls taken two years before an election are not necessarily dispositive? Where would Bill Clinton be if he didn’t run based upon polls taken in December of 1990?

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  30. ponce says:

    “The vast majority of your voting block is functionally illiterate and can’t make change for a dollar. ”

    So, they still get to vote.

    I wonder which party would be in charge if all voters had perfect knowledge of everything?

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  31. narciso says:

    It is curious they found much the same sample that doesn’t understand why we’re in Afghanistan, thinks Obamacare is great, and has an uninformed view of Palin, they probably
    also think there has been global warming in 15 years, (hint , their hasn’t)

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  32. jwest says:

    Narciso,

    Considering this is the same group of geniuses that think Clinton was impeached for having an affair, or Scooter Libby was convicted of “outing” Valerie Plame, their views on Sarah Palin are expected.

    Ask a liberal what FEMA does or what the difference is between the National Guard and federal troops. Their level of unapologetic ignorance is breathtaking. Latching on to whatever shred of junk science promotes the cause d’jour, progressives will rush headlong into activities that cause the suffering, poverty, starvation and death of millions, all the while patting themselves on the back for being such good global citizens.

    Evil is easy to identify and stop. Fear idiots who want to help, for they can do more damage than anything.

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  33. Nitish says:

    these ABC News/WaPo poll results do not withstand basic logic.

    so in the same poll in which 59-60% said they would NOT vote for Palin (depending on ALL voters or registered voters), Palin STILL gets 40% in a head-to-head vs Obama.

    that means Palin captures ~100% of the vote of EVERYone who would even consider voting for her ?

    or do that mean an “anyone-but-Obama” would override people’s unwillingless to vote for her ?
    doesn’t that strike other people as odd… ?

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  34. PJ says:

    “Is this a trick question? Maybe because polls taken two years before an election are not necessarily dispositive? Where would Bill Clinton be if he didn’t run based upon polls taken in December of 1990?”

    I remember all the polls about Clinton from 1988-90 where voters really, really disliked him.
    Must be because of the reporting about him being elected as governor five times and being voted most effective governor by his peers instead of just quiting during his first term…

    Here’s a clue, back in 1990 most people didn’t know about Clinton, the same can’t be said about Palin in 2010. Voters know about Palin, and they dislike her. She would have to turn it into likability, and time is running out. Good luck with that.

    So, I’m all for republicans electing Palin to be their nominee.

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  35. wr says:

    Zels — It’s true that the premiere of Palin’s Alaska got TLC’s highest viewership ever. But that huge audience came to… five million people. I don’t think any of those of us who consider Palin a joke would claim she can’t get five million morons to vote for her. Spread that out over fifty states and she’d get a whopping hundred thousand voters per state. Yes, rocket to the White House there.

    Also, the audience dropped by close to fifty percent in week two, and dropped every week after that. So I’d guess the real number of her devotees is closer to two million. The rest just dropped in to see the freak show, then tuned out when they realized how dull it was.

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  36. floyd says:

    Wr;
    But as you say, that’s only the crossover vote!

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  37. Jay Tea says:

    Just a quick aside, to put things to rest: mantis was NOT banned from Wizbang, is not, and most likely will not. He chose to leave. I don’t own any guns, don’t want any, but could legally if I did. And the mention I made of “my side has all the guns” was something I brought up only a couple of times, in response to leftist asshats bringing up the idea of widespread violence against right-wingers — as a cautionary note. It’s beyond dispute that most gun-owners are conservatives; that there has NOT been a wave of gun violence against leftists shows that they are responsible.

    But back to Palin — I have yet to hear a Palin critic suggest what she SHOULD have done instead of resigning. She had already faced and defeated well over a dozen bullshit ethics charges, but run up legal bills of over half a million dollars — which represented 200% of her family’s annual income and 40% of their net worth. (Which she and Todd all EARNED, not inherited or married — contrast with folks with names like Kennedy, Kerry, Rockefeller, or countless other Democratic luminaries.) The charges were NOT slowing down, but getting worse and worse. They were moving on to attacking her friends and aides, and costing the state time, money, and wrecking her ability to actually govern. Finally, the last one threatened her chance to establish and use a legal defense fund, meaning she would be personally responsible for those legal expenses.

    The combination of a flawed ethics law — well-intentioned, but open to abuse — and hard-core anti-Palin activists more than willing and able to exploit those flaws left Palin with the choice of staying in the job, or sparing her family bankruptcy. She literally couldn’t afford to stay in office; only by resigning could she put an end to the huge financial danger to her and allow the state’s government to focus on actually governing.

    And yes, I’m going to call the ethics charges “bullshit.” One of them was for wearing a coat with a corporate logo from one of Todd’s sponsors at one of his races. One of them was filed in the name of a character from a British soap opera. One of them was against an aide, who stopped for 30 seconds to answer a reporter’s question in a hallway about Palin’s VP run and was charged with “campaigning on state time.” Another was for allowing her image to be used to promote Alaskan seafood — not any individual company, but the industry as a whole. Another was for Palin mentioning she had been nominated for vice-president on the state’s official web page for her office.

    Half a million dollars. To politicians without names like Kerry, Kennedy, Rockefeller, Pelosi, Feinstein, Reid, or the like, that’s a lot of money. That’s a lot of money to someone who earned every penny of it, mostly in the private sector. (Todd didn’t come from money, either — he spent years working in the Arctic oil fields and on the Arctic Ocean.)

    So, mantis, “man up.” Present a plausible alternative for Palin than resigning. And don’t try the bullshit “don’t quit” or “stick it out” — there was NO indication that her enemies were going to give up this incredibly successful tactic, and a ruling on the last charge — that it was illegal for her to accept help from a legal defense fund — would have left her holding the bag on over half a million dollars (probably closer to 3/4 of a million by the time THAT one was settled). Her enemies were now going after her top aides as well with the same tactic, filing bullshit complaints that had no foundation in reality, but still requiring them to pay for their legal defense.

    Come on, mantis. Explain why she should “suck it up” and bankrupt her family and her aides just to keep an office that she could no longer run effectively.

    Personally, I bet there are a lot of Palin supporters just waiting for a Democrat to take the governor’s office and start “Palining” him or her, carefully noting all the complaints and preparing similar ones — just waiting to fill in the blanks with a name. I don’t like that idea, but I definitely see it as a possibility.

    Oh, hell, let’s toss it open to everyone, not just mantis. What was a viable alternative for Palin besides resigning? What would have been a viable plan for her to remain in office, reclaim her effectiveness as governor, and NOT drive her family into bankruptcy?

    Oh, and by the way, this is simply an expanded version of Palin’s own cited reasons for resigning. She’s the anti-John Kerry — you never have to wonder what she REALLY means when she speaks, what her secret agenda is. She lays it all out there — if you’re just willing to listen.

    Too many folks (like Doug and mantis) aren’t able to process that. They’re so used to listening to Democrats spin and lie and mislead and conceal their real motives and goals, they’ve built up an immunity to simple truths and plain speaking. Pity there’s no known, FDA-certified treatment for that.

    J.

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  38. Eric Florack says:

    I seem to recall (but cant confirm at the moment) a similar group of polls as regards the electability of Ronald Reagan. Funny thing… all it took was four years of Jimmah Carter to make people reconsider.

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  39. wr says:

    Perhaps if Sarah Palin hadn’t used the power of her elected office to pursue a personal vendetta against a member of her family, there wouldn’t have been so many ethics charges against her. Perhaps if she didn’t have a taste for using state funds to improve her own house, it would have been harder to file these charges.

    Really, Jay Tea, she had to resign because she wasn’t allowed to run a personal slush fund through which she could hustle up donations from anyone who might have business with the state? And it’s okay if she wants to grab cash under the table because she doesn’t come from a rich family? These are your standards?

    Bill Clinton wasn’t rich when he was in the White House. (The celebrity-industrial complex has allowed him, like any ex-president, to grow rich after leaving.) Certainly he faced a witch hunt many times greater and more expensive than the one Palin did, and he didn’t run away from office whining about how mean the other side was being to him.

    You run for elected office. You win office. You find out its hard. You either stick it out or you quit. If you quit, you’ve proven you’re not fit to lead. You can justify it all you want, but Palin has proven she doesn’t have the guts to hold office — when things get hard she’ll walk away.

    What should she have done? Finished her term. Oh, and not been a cheap, sleazy crook along the way.

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  40. anjin-san says:

    > I have yet to hear a Palin critic suggest what she SHOULD have done instead of resigning

    Funny how the right had no problems with the BS legal war waged against the Clintons by the right. If I remember correctly, they did not even own a home when Bill became President, so they did not have unlimited personal resources to call upon. The difference between Clinton and Palin was that he finished the job he was elected to do, and she did not.

    When the going got tough, Palin quit. End of story..

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  41. anjin-san says:

    Really, if you take the victim game away, does Palin have anything left at all? Two years later “Saracudda” is still whining about how Katie Couric, the queen of softball interviews, savaged her by asking her what newspapers she reads. What a frigging joke…

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  42. Jay Tea says:

    wr, anjin: Bill Clinton had a legal defense fund and accusers willing to go on the record. And said legal defense fund had a lot of wealthy backers willing to throw money to make his accusers (a very finite group) go away. Palin, as noted, had neither — she had a bunch of political enemies who literally made up shit at no expense to themselves that she had to pay, out of her own pocket, thousands and thousands of dollars to protect herself.

    But you don’t give a rip about that, do you? You don’t care that a group of bullshit artists who call themselves “activists” can, purely for malice and kicks, drain a sitting governor of half her entire net worth and lock down the entire executive branch of government, without the slightest consequence. You don’t give a rip because it was Caribou Barbie who was being torn down.

    I like your answer. “She should have stayed in the job! She should have spent every single penny she had to stay in that job, and let her top aides also go broke defending themselves, until she had to file for bankruptcy! She should have bet her entire family’s fiscal well-being that the ethics board would rule in favor of her yet again and allow her a legal defense fund, meaning that she would only have to spend time and energy — not cash — defending against my political allies and compatriots as they abused the process to hound her endlessly!”

    I was not surprised that you have no words of condemnation for those assholes filing the bullshit ethics charges. As I noted above, those are your peeps. They found loopholes in the ethics law — ALL complaints have to be investigated fully, the accused has to pay all their own expenses regardless of outcome, and no penalty for those who file false charges or break the confidentiality part of the law — and drove big Ice Road Trucker-sized rigs through it. Hell, you were probably egging them on. wr sounds like he still is.

    I’ll repeat: on top of everything else, those assholes were also strategic idiots. Had they left her alone, she’d have finished out her term focusing largely on Alaska. By driving her from office, they freed her from those obligations and left her with a real understanding of what completely unscrupulous assholes the left can be to those they want to destroy.

    What was that old line allegedly from Admiral Yamamoto after Pearl Harbor, the one he never said but put in his mouth by the makers of “Tora Tora Tora?” Something about giants and resolve?

    J.

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  43. The Olde Man says:

    Should the economy show recovery and no other disaster intervenes, O is a sure winner in 2012 because he is not hated. In that case, SP will be the GOP candidate with the goal of her and the Tea Party getting wiped out. Won’t have to worry about them folks anymore.

    However, it is just possible that SP can rouse what I call the Jesse Ventura vote, the ones that put him into power in Mn. After he won, we no longer heard exhortations to get out and vote. When the Lesser Classes do vote, they vote in Jesse…or Sarah Palin.

    In any case, you will see the most vicious campaign in the history of the country. No way is Josephine Sixpack Sara Palin going to be allowed near the levers of power. No way.

    If she gets in the GOP establishment is out and the people who come in with her are going to start asking the Cultural Left why they have been committing what looks like treason all these
    years. And they will have no answer. Thus the pure panic caused by Sarah Palin.

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  44. An Interested Party says:

    “Funny thing… all it took was four years of Jimmah Carter to make people reconsider.”

    Except for the twin facts that Barack Obama is not Jimmah Carter and Sarah Palin is not Ronald Reagan…

    The real funny thing is that just about anyone who wants the president to win reelection or at the very least to keep the presidency out of Republican hands welcomes Sarah Palin as the GOP nominee…it is only people like James and Doug who would prefer the Republicans to win the White House who don’t want Palin to become the GOP standard bearer…

    “What was that old line allegedly from Admiral Yamamoto after Pearl Harbor, the one he never said but put in his mouth by the makers of ‘Tora Tora Tora?’ Something about giants and resolve?”

    Oh my, I see that not only are victimization and whining key components of the Palin Brigades, but also complete delusion…of course, the latter would have to play a part, I mean, if these people actually think she has a shot at winning the presidency…

    “In any case, you will see the most vicious campaign in the history of the country. No way is Josephine Sixpack Sara Palin going to be allowed near the levers of power. No way.”

    Indeed…should she actually decide to run in the GOP primaries, the attacks unleashed on her by fellow Republicans will make anything that “the left” or the MSM has allegedly done to her or those who supposedly hounded her from office in Alaska seem like nothing at all…the panic isn’t coming from “the left”…

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  45. Jay Tea says:

    Except for the twin facts that Barack Obama is not Jimmah Carter and Sarah Palin is not Ronald Reagan…

    God help me, in some ways Obama makes me nostalgic for Carter…

    If she gets in the GOP establishment is out and the people who come in with her are going to start asking the Cultural Left why they have been committing what looks like treason all these years. And they will have no answer. Thus the pure panic caused by Sarah Palin.

    For good reason. Because among all the other areas where Palin outshines Obama, she — unlike he — has actually stood up to, stood against, and taken down corruption within her own party. The GOP establishment has good reason to fear her.

    Obama, on the other hand, has turned so many blind eyes to corruption — Blagojevich, Burris Rezko, and a ton of others, as well as a whole host of thoroughly despicable scumbags like William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, Jeremiah Wright, and plenty more — that Bo should be trained as a seeing-eye dog.

    J.

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  46. PJ says:

    About Palin and the ethics charges. I’m of the belief that well, she uses them to further push the image of her as a victim and she uses them to explain why she quit. I don’t believe they were the reason why she quit.

    So, I’m not going to argue about what she should have done.

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  47. wr says:

    Jay Tea — How exactly did Sarah Palin “stand up to” anything? The second things got hard, she quit and ran away.

    You can rationalize this all you want, talk about the great sacrifice staying would have meant. (Not that I believe this, but it’s sweet you take everything she says as gospel…) But the bottom line is this — she’s not tough enough to stand up when it looks like it’s going to get hard for her.

    So what kind of president will she make now that everyone knows exactly how to make her quit? Granted, the Democrats don’t have the taste for personal destruction that the Rs do — you’ll notice no impeachment of W, despite plenty of ammo if they felt like picking it up — but someone on one side or the other is going to get sick of her and realize all they have to do is cost her a little money, and she’ll run screaming and crying out of office.

    You think she was justified in quitting? Okay, let’s grant you that for the sake of argument. Now explain why anyone would vote for a candidate who’s proved that when things get really uncomfortable for her, she’ll run away.

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  48. Eric Florack says:

    AIP:

    No, he’s not Carter. He’s Carter on Steriods.

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  49. Jay Tea says:

    wr, you’re showing your ignorance. I’m talking about her tenure on the Conservation Commission, when she took down Alaska’s AG for corruption and then took out the sitting governor (also a Republican).

    She quits when she can no longer be more effective in office than outside. She doesn’t cling to power until the bitter end; she cares more about getting stuff done than the trappings and titles.

    As opposed to Obama, who’s viewed every single job he’s held as a stepping-stone to the next one, never bothering to put too much energy into what he could achieve in his present job. Now he’s reached the peak, and he has no freaking clue what to do next.

    His job performance makes perfect sense — if you think of him simply lining himself up for his next promotion. The problem is, there is no step up from the presidency. He’s dead-ended himself.

    And I see no one has presented an alternative to “drive yourself and your family into bankruptcy to hang on to a job that you can’t carry out effectively any more, thanks to assholes exploiting a loophole in the ethics laws.” Figured as much.

    J.

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  50. An Interested Party says:

    “Carter on Steriods”

    Terribly ironic that he has a pretty good shot of winning reelection…

    “Figured as much.”

    Awww…are you sad that no one wants to play your game? The bottom line is that Sarah Palin will never, ever be president of this country…think if it this way…the same evil, despicable forces that drove her from office in Alaska will make sure that she never comes anywhere near the White House… :-)

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  51. anjin-san says:

    JT… I for one am delighted that Palin has been freed up to get more involved with politics on a national level. If not for said involvement, the senate would almost certainly be in Republican hands as we speak, and the bigotry of DADT would go on for God knows how much longer.

    Rationalize Palin’s cut and run all you want. Everyone needs a hobby, and every celebrity needs groupies…

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  52. anjin-san says:

    > He’s Carter on Steriods.

    And your Flounder, with less in the way of looks or charm, or wit. We all have our problems…

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  53. jwest says:

    The comments on this thread are evidence of why, in the end, the pro-Palin forces will win.

    Despite the research and articulate writing skills of those opposing Palin, no one has mounted a reasoned, rational answer to the question JayTea posed. The left, as it so often does, needs to rely on obfuscation, distortion and simply ignoring the facts. If there was an argument to be made regarding another course of action that anyone placed in the same circumstances as Palin could make, it certainly would have been presented here.

    Even Doug, an author compelled to write about Palin multiple times each week, armed with legal training that dictates that he should be able to summon a cogent attack or defense on any subject, has completely avoided Palin’s AOGCC saga. His inability to find a spin to this singularly upstanding act of honesty and courage has led him to act as if the events never occurred.

    Why liberals fail to accept the reality of the situation is baffling. Palin supporters not only have the truth on their side, but the means and time necessary to correct the distortions prior to the next election. Naturally, the 20% of the country that is far-left will never accept the facts, but the vast middle who value intellectual honesty will.

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  54. Eric Florack says:

    Terribly ironic that he has a pretty good shot of winning reelection…

    Highly questionable conclusion, even on the surface. When you dig deeper, it gets to the point of laughable.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hRUQ0oXnI-C2xVZp_HHuXHPvl71A?docId=c68524eb4c6c4f22b0a770150e4a1207

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  55. anjin-san says:

    > Highly questionable conclusion, even on the surface.

    This is coming from a guy who predicted a “Democrat civl war” at the 2008 Democratic convention, who flatly stated “Obama can’t win” and who parroted the McCain campagin’s nonsense press releases about an 11th hour McCain surge almost word for word.

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  56. wr says:

    jwest — Guess what? Running for president isn’t the same as posting slanted questions on a blog. The fact that I — and others — around here decline to accept the assumptions made in the question does not give her a free pass into the White House.

    But this is Palin-mania. She deserves the presidency because people have been mean to her. And if those opposing her can’t prove people haven’t been mean to her, well, that means she gets a free pass.

    Sorry, it doesn’t work like that. A great many Americans find other things in life more important than Palin’s hurt feelings, and don’t feel like granting her the most powerful office in the world to make the boo-boo stop hurting.

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  57. Eric Florack says:

    This is coming from a guy who predicted a “Democrat civl war”

    Go ahead, and tell me that’s not that’s happening with the far left’s reax to Obamaism.

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  58. wr says:

    It’s not.

    Next!

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  59. matt says:

    Wait Eric I thought Obama was a far left politician…..

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  60. anjin-san says:

    > Go ahead, and tell me that’s not that’s happening with the far left’s reax to Obamaism.

    You predicted an Obama/Hillary civil war at the 2008 Democratic convention Nostradamus, or have you conviently forgotten that?

    That attempt to rewrite your personal history aside, if you think what is happening in the Democratic party at the moment is a “civil war” you are even more clueless than everyone previously suspected.

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  61. Jay Tea says:

    …I’m going to interpret the deafening silence to my challenge as you folks saying that Palin should have bankrupted herself and her family to stay in office.

    Thanks for the affirmation.

    J.

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  62. anjin-san says:

    >…I’m going to interpret the deafening silence to my challenge

    That is one interpetation. the other is that no one takes you very seriously…

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  63. wr says:

    It’s not silence. We’re all laughing too hard to type.

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  64. Jay Tea says:

    Fine. I note several of you criticize Palin for her resignation. But none of you will address the circumstances that led to her resignation or describe an alternate course of action that would have allowed her to continue in office without risking the bankruptcies of herself, her family, and her top staffers — all of whom were being bled white by your compatriots in Alaska with legal charges for defending against absolute bullshit ethics charges.

    So you’ve affirmed yourselves as unreconstructed assholes. Thanks. Clarifies matters tremendously. Simplifies them, too.

    J.

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