Cesar Sayoc, 56, Arrested And Charged In Connection With Political Bombing Attempts

Authorities have arrested a Florida man named Cesar Sayoc, a 56-year-old Trump supporter, in connection with the wave of bombing attempts directed at critics of the President.

Fifty-six-year-old Cesar Sayoc Jr. has been arrested and charged in connection with the rash of bombs sent via the United States Postal Service to a variety of Democratic Party politicians and officials, former government officials, and CNN:

Federal authorities made an arrest on Friday in connection with the nationwide bombing campaign against outspoken critics of President Trump, a significant breakthrough in a case that has gripped the country in the days leading up to the midterm elections.

Law enforcement officials identified the suspect as Cesar Sayoc Jr., 56, of Aventura, Fla., just north of Miami.

The arrest came even as the crude pipe bombs continued to appear across the country. One, found in Florida, was addressed to Senator Cory Booker, a New Jersey Democrat; another, discovered in a Manhattan post office, was sent to James R. Clapper Jr., a former director of national intelligence; and a third was intercepted before it reached Senator Kamala Harris, a California Democrat.

A fourth bomb, found on Friday in a mail facility in California, was addressed to Tom Steyer, a prominent Democratic donor, a person close to him said.

At a news conference in Washington on Friday afternoon, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that Mr. Sayoc had been charged with five counts, including illegal mailing of explosives and making threats against former presidents. According to a criminal complaint released as Mr. Sessions spoke, the packages sent by Mr. Sayoc included photographs of his intended targets, each one marked with a red X.

When asked why Mr. Sayoc had sent the bombs to Democrats, Mr. Sessions said he was not sure, adding that the suspect “appears to be a partisan.”

Federal officials said they had tracked down Mr. Sayoc, who has a lengthy arrest history, after finding one of his fingerprints on a package sent to Representative Maxine Waters, a California Democrat. Mr. Sayoc’s identify was confirmed, the officials added, after investigators found a match between DNA samples discovered on two other packages he sent and DNA that was collected during one of his previous arrests.

The F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray, said that the bureau was still trying to determine if Mr. Sayoc’s bombs were “functional” but also noted that they contained “energetic material” that could be dangerous. Mr. Wray said that the investigation was “active and ongoing” and cautioned that there could be more bombs still undiscovered.

Mr. Sayoc is a registered Republican whose arrest record in Florida dates back to 1991 and includes felony theft, drug and fraud charges, as well as allegations that he threatened to use a bomb, public records show.

His criminal history from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement indicates that at the time of his last arrest in 2015, he was 5-foot-11 and 215 pounds. He has brown eyes, black hair and a scar on his left arm, the records said, and was born in New York. The records listed Mr. Sayoc’s occupation some years ago as “manager.”

According to a 2012 bankruptcy petition filed in Miami, Mr. Sayoc resided at the time at his mother’s home. “Lives w/mom,” a handwritten note on the petition said. “Has no furniture.”

[Read more on what we know about the suspect, Cesar Sayoc Jr.]

Mr. Sayoc was arrested around 11 a.m. Friday at an AutoZone car repair shop in Plantation, Fla., about 20 miles from Aventura, officials said. Patrol cars shut down the surrounding streets, leaving rows of businesses inaccessible for part of the morning. The authorities also seized and towed away Mr. Sayoc’s white van.

Some residents of Aventura reported seeing a similar white van, the windows of which were plastered with a thick collage of pro-Trump stickers, often parked in the lot of a local strip mall, the Aventura Waterways shopping center. Photos of the van showed that one of the stickers depicted Mr. Trump standing in front of flames and the American flag. Another was of Hillary Clinton’s face in the cross hairs of a rifle scope. A third said: “CNN Sucks.”

“It struck me because of the crazy conspiratorial stickers covering the windows,” said David Cypkin, a documentary film producer and editor with the Rakontur production company. “It was unsettling, and also it seemed to be occupied. Sometimes the door would be ajar or a window would be open, which indicated to me that maybe somebody was living in the van.”

Speaking at the White House on Friday, Mr. Trump praised law enforcement officials for quickly arresting a suspect.

“These terrorizing acts are despicable and have no place in our country,” he said.

He added: “We must never allow political violence to take root in America.”

One law enforcement official said that Mr. Sayoc was expected to be questioned under what is known as the national security exception, meaning that he can be interviewed at least initially without the presence of a lawyer.

More from The Washington Post:

A man in Florida with a lengthy criminal record was arrested and charged Friday in connection with the suspected mail bombs sent to high profile figures, authorities said.

The arrest came on the same day law enforcement responded to three more devices — in Florida, New York and California — pushing the total number of packages found by authorities to 13. All of the devices were sent to people who have criticized or clashed with President Trump, and while none have detonated, officials have been on high alert and worried about whether more could be delivered.

The suspect has been identified as 56-year-old Cesar Sayoc. State records show he had a criminal record dating back decades, including a past arrest for making a bomb threat.

Sayoc was charged with transporting explosives across state lines, illegally mailing explosives, threatening former presidents and others, threatening interstate communications and assaulting federal officials, according to charging documents. He faces up to 58 years in prison, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said at a news conference announcing the charges.

FBI Director Christopher Wray referred to the 13 explosive devices recovered so far as “IEDs,” an acronym for improvised explosive devices. He said investigators were able to trace Sayoc after finding a fingerprint on an envelope containing a bomb sent to Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) and that DNA found on two of the devices matched a sample previously taken from Sayoc during an earlier arrest.

Inside the packages sent to three of the potential targets — former president Barack Obama, former CIA director John Brennan and Waters — were a picture of each person with red “X” marks on them, according to the criminal complaint, filed by federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York.

Wray declined to say whether the devices could have detonated, saying that investigators are “still trying to determine whether or not they were functional.” But he said they did contain potentially explosive material adding: “These are not hoax devices.”

The complaint also included details suggesting Sayoc’s antipathy toward the people and organizations targeted, including CNN, where one packaged was found and another addressed.

“The windows of Sayoc’s van were covered with images including images critical of CNN,” the complaint said. The complaint also identifies a Twitter account that law enforcement officials believe Sayoc used, and noted that account contained misspellings consistent with misspellings on the packages, and that one post made Wednesday criticized George Soros, the billionaire activist, who two days earlier had received an explosive.

Wray declined to say if Sayoc is cooperating with investigators. When asked why Sayoc allegedly targeted Democrats, Sessions said he “appears to be a partisan” and declined to comment further.

Sayoc’s arrest came just hours after the news broke this morning regarding the packages addressed to Senator Booker and former Director Clapper, which were found at mail processing facilities in Florid and New York respectively, had become public knowledge. It also came at roughly the same time as news broke regarding an additional package addressed to California Senator Kamala Harris was located in Sacramento and another potential device addressed to liberal activist Tom Steyer was being investigated in Burlingame, California. The arrest also caps off a week in which packages were found in New York, Washington, D.C., California, and Florida addressed to a long list of Trump critics. It began on Monday with the discovery of a package in the mailbox of George Soros’s Westchester, New York home. On Wednesday, authorities across the country found packages addressed to former President Clinton, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Attorney General Eric Holder, the New York City offices of CNN, and two packages sent to the Washington, D.C, and California district offices of Congresswoman Maxine Waters. Yesterday, there were two packages discovered, one sent to actor Robert DeNiro at his office in the TriBeCa neighborhood located in Lower Manhattan, and two addressed to former Vice-President Joe Biden, both of which were found at mail facilities in Delaware. All of the packages that were discovered through yesterday were sent in similar looking envelopes, with stamps, and using the Florida district address of Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz as a return address.

Based on the Criminal Complaint and the comments by law enforcement this afternoon, it appears that Sayoc acted alone so it would appear we’ve reached the end of the road for these bombings. The one unknown factor is whether or not there are any other devices out there that have yet to be discovered. Law enforcement is no doubt trying to determine that from its examination of the van and questioning of Sayoc, but it is unclear if he is cooperating or if he has invoked his rights to remain silent and to counsel. In that case, getting information out of him regarding other devices still in the stream of mail somewhere in the country could prove to be difficult.

While we don’t know much as of yet as a potential motive, or whether or not Sayoc had any confederates or potential co-conspirators,  there have been some revelations uncovered in the hours after his name was revealed to the public subsequent to his arrest in Florida. A search of Sayoc’s apparent social media accounts, for example, show him to be a strong supporter of President Trump who had made threats against Democrats and critics in the past, while other reports indicated a previous criminal history that, in part was the reason why authorities were able to track him down via fingerprints found on several of the devices so quickly:

The man arrested on suspicion of mailing at least a dozen suspicious packages to Democrats criticized by Donald Trump is a big fan of the president, with a long criminal history.

Cesar Sayoc, 56, was taken into custody by federal authorities on Friday in Plantation, Florida, according to multiple press accounts. Law enforcement also took possession of a van covered in stickers supporting Trump and criticizing Democratic officials. The Justice Department scheduled a press conference on the case for 2:30 p.m. Eastern time.

Sayoc is a registered Republican and called himself a promoter and booking agent. He was arrested numerous times, including for felony grand theft in the third degree in November 2013; he pleaded the next the next year. He was found guilty of a misdemeanor retail theft charge that stemmed from a May 2015 incident, along with multiple traffic violations.

Sayoc declared bankruptcy in 2012, when he had $21,109 in liabilities. The filing indicated he lived with his mother, owned an 11-year-old Chevy Tahoe with 285,000 miles on it, had collected unemployment and was working as a store manager. His attorney’s office was flooded with phone calls after his name emerged.

A Twitter account made in 2016 that appears to belong to the suspect has more than 1,000 images, many dedicated to baseless conspiracy theories. A spam of posts from this year all claim that Parkland, Florida, school shooting survivor David Hogg was a protester paid by billionaire George Soros. Another post claims Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) took money from the Russians and is a “poverty pimp.” And in a July post, he claims that Rep. Debbie Wasserman Shultz (D-Fla.) is known for “ripping off the elderly.” Soros, Waters and Wasserman Shultz were all targets of suspicious packages this week.

Other intended recipients of the packages included former President Barack Obama, former Vice President Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Robert De Niro, former Attorney General Eric Holder, Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and former CIA Director John Brennan.

A Tampa resident who said he encountered Sayoc in a hotel parking lot in Miami last May told HuffPost that the suspect was quirky — given the stickers on his van — but didn’t seem “violent” during their hourlong conversation.

“He wasn’t talking violent or anything like that but basically talked about fake news, Obama, Hillary Clinton, stuff like that. He said his family didn’t agree with him, that he only associated with other Trump supporters,” said the man, who asked to be identified only by his first name, Korey.

When Korey, a 40-year-old black Trump supporter, saw the van on TV Friday morning, he immediately identified it as Sayoc’s. Korey said he couldn’t believe the “regular Republican” he had spoken to was the bomb suspect.

“It was crazy, man. He never said nothing verbally hateful. He didn’t say, ‘I want to kill Obama.’ He railed against him but never threatened,” Korey said.

As noted, when Sayoc was arrested, law enforcement also took possession of what was apparently his van, which was covered in both pro-Trump stickers and posters, and stickers and posters directed against Democrats and other critics of the President. Here are two of the pictures that have been released of that van: (click to enlarge)

The van was located in the parking lot of a strip mall about 30 minutes north of Miami, and it appears from the available evidence that Sayoc had been living out of the van for the past several months and that he may or may not have been employed at an Autozone located in that strip mall. As noted, he was apparently identified as earlier as yesterday when fingerprints recovered from at least one of the devices was matched to fingerprint records for Sayoc taken during the course of previous arrests.

If convicted, Sayoc faces more than fifty years in prison based on the Federal sentencing guidelines, but those numbers could change when he is indicted, especially if he ends up being charged under terrorism-related charges, which are currently not a part of the charges listed in the Criminal Complaint, which I have embedded below. Procedurally, since Sayoc was arrested in Florida his initial court appearance will be before a Federal Judge there. However, since he is charged in the Southern District of New York he will likely be sent there as quickly as possible. From there he will be indicted by a Grand Jury and the case will proceed forward.

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Doug Mataconis
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Comments

  1. Liberal Capitalist says:

    Hey… have you noticed?

    Today seems to be a VERY quiet day for the usual Trump greek chorus.

    Wonder why?

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  2. Lorenzo Amas says:

    Drump does nothing but encourage violence and terrorism.
    This news should easily over take that fake news about supposed 3.5% economic growth, 1.6% inflation, and 3.8% wage growth. It’s funny how NOW the Trumpaloons decide to believe govt economic numbers. Idiots.

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  3. Kathy says:

    @Liberal Capitalist:

    They’re standing by, ready and eager to receive programming.

    By this time next week, if not sooner, Mr. Sayoc will be described by them as a Democrat agent planted by Killary in a blatant false flag operation. They’ll be criticizing the stickers on the van as overdone and obviously fake. No one but a libtard would believe even for a minute this man is a Republican.

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  4. steve says:

    Always beware the white panel van.

    Steve

  5. dmhlt says:

    @Kathy:
    Rush Limbaugh already has:

    Rushbo analyzing the even placement of stickers in suspext’s van and fact they’re not faded from sun to suggest w listeners’ input that the van is somehow a set-up.

    https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/1055877896793964544

  6. Kathy says:

    @Lorenzo Amas:

    Trump gets praised by the GOP for the economy that got Obama blame.

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  7. An Interested Party says:

    I can’t wait to see how these idiots explain the video proof of this guy at a Trump rally…

  8. James Pearce says:

    That van looks like it belongs to someone who would mail a bomb to Robert DeNiro for being a Trump critic, doesn’t it?

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  9. Michael Reynolds says:

    @An Interested Party:
    What’s to explain? The reason a Trumpaloon has to send bombs is because the mainstream media is mean to Trump. Also: caravan!

    When I say this is a cult I’m not being hyperbolic. The people who attend those rallies, and the rest of Trump’s hardcore base, is a cult of personality. It doesn’t matter in the least what reality is. All our usual trolls will be back just as so as this stops being the top story to regurgitate their daily lies, completely unfazed by the fact that one of their brothers carried out acts of terror on behalf of their cult leader. What they’ll be is annoyed that he didn’t manage to kill anyone.

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  10. Hal_10000 says:

    Just glad nobody was hurt. Next time, we may not be so lucky. You’d think this might cause some introspection about the Trumpist media, but no.

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  11. Steve V says:

    @James Pearce: Hey I’m just glad he’s not my neighbor.

  12. James Pearce says:

    @Steve V: Ha! That was good. But….

    1) He reportedly lived in that van, so if he parked on your block…he’d be your neighbor.
    2) Your Trump supporting actual neighbors didn’t send out pipe bombs to the president’s “enemies.”

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  13. OzarkHillbilly says:

    If convicted, Sayoc faces more than fifty years in prison based on the Federal sentencing guidelines, but those numbers could change when he is indicted, especially if he ends up being charged under terrorism-related charges, which are currently not a part of the charges listed in the Criminal Complaint, which I have embedded below. Procedurally, since Sayoc was arrested in Florida his initial court appearance will be before a Federal Judge there. However, since he is charged in the Southern District of New York he will likely be sent there as quickly as possible. From there he will be indicted by a Grand Jury and the case will proceed forward.

    I love the lawyerly talk here, Doug. Don’t ever change.

  14. Eric Florack says:

    @Liberal Capitalist: probably because they’re waiting for the facts to come in.

    We’re also eagerly awaiting words from the Democrats who have been calling for incivility and outright violence against Republicans, suggesting that they are reversing that position.

    How about it, LC? Want to be the first?

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  15. PJ says:

    @James Pearce:

    He reportedly lived in that van, so if he parked on your block…he’d be your neighbor.

    Cesar Sayoc’s home was foreclosed on by Steve Mnuchin’s bank, using dodgy paperwork

    Cesar Sayoc, The Donald Trump-loving Floridian who was taken into custody in relation to pipe bombs mailed to prominent Democrats, was foreclosed on in 2009 by a bank whose principal owner and chair is now Trump’s treasury secretary, Steven Mnuchin.

    The documents used to enact the foreclosure were signed by a prominent robo-signer and seemingly backdated. Nonetheless, the evidence was good enough for the famously inattentive Florida foreclosure courts to wave the case through. Years later, Sayoc became a supporter of Trump, who came into office and appointed a treasury secretary who ran the bank that snatched Sayoc’s house

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  16. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Eric Florack:
    Because yelling is the moral equivalent of mailing bombs.

    You are depraved.

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  17. Scott O says:

    Now we have more evidence that the FBI hates the president, censoring all those pro Trump displays. /snark

  18. Stormy Dragon says:

    Trump actually led a “Lock Him Up” chant directed toward Soros, AT THE EVENT ANNOUNCING THE ARREST.

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  19. Kathy says:

    @PJ:

    Retroactive Karma?

  20. Kathy says:

    @Michael Reynolds:

    Yelling at a Republican is much worse morally than sending a bomb to a Democrat. You’d know this if you were a depraved Republican.

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  21. Daryl and his brother Darryl says:

    @Eric Florack:
    Hey dumb-as-fvck…what happened to your false flag theory???

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  22. Tony W says:

    How long before Trump floats a ‘pardon’ trial balloon for this loser?

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  23. An Interested Party says:

    Your Trump supporting actual neighbors didn’t send out pipe bombs to the president’s “enemies.”

    I wonder how many of them are troubled (or not) that someone did…

    Cesar Sayoc’s home was foreclosed on by Steve Mnuchin’s bank, using dodgy paperwork

    That is so typical…how many of these Trump supporters are being hurt by the very person (and his cabal) at whose feet they worship…

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  24. Kari Q says:

    @Eric Florack:

    probably because they’re waiting for the facts to come in.

    If Trump supporters were inclined to “wait for the facts” they wouldn’t have spent yesterday telling us that it was clearly a “false flag” conspiracy.

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  25. Daryl and his brother Darryl says:

    You can’t spell HATRED without RED HAT.
    Just sayin’

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  26. Eric Florack says:

    @Michael Reynolds: so it doesn’t bother you that Democrats were openly calling for violence for months before this happened?

    And you call me depraved?

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl: well I’ll tell you what. Co. Take a close look at that van. Does that strike you as somebody that’s trying to remain anonymous in the midst of a nationwide manhunt?

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  27. Resistance Ron says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl:
    Ha! Good one!

    Stupid hats!

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  28. Matt says:

    @Eric Florack: What are you even talking about? I don’t recall Obama as president saying that Fox news is the enemy of the state or anything like what Trump and crew have been pulling.

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  29. SenyorDave says:

    For all those supporting Trump on this issue, please defend this:

    Later in his speech, however, the president contradicted his message of unity by going after people he called “globalists,” and claiming they were hurting the economy. As he railed on “globalists,” someone in the crowd yelled out “George Soros!” and the crowd began chanting “Lock him up!” The president chuckled, pointed to the crowd, and repeated the phrase “lock him up,” back to them.

    The POTUS calls for unity, and IN THE SAME SPEECH encourages a “lock him up” chant against one of his political enemies. Seriously, I can almost excuse Trump because he acts like he has some form of dementia. But his supporters? They are just evil and/or ignorant.

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  30. Eric Florack says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl: it’s still in existence until such time as you can explain to me how it is a felon was allowed to register to vote.

    Go ahead, I’ll wait.

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  31. Eric Florack says:

    @Matt:

    That one’s easy. You could look this up yourself but I’ll save you a little trouble…

    https://www.newsweek.com/when-obama-went-war-fox-news-632424

    And, Just for kicks….

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/28/obama-fox-news-is-destructive-to-america/

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  32. Bruce Henry says:

    The very links Florack posts fail to support his contentions. The first one directly contradicts it. LOL.

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  33. Resistance Ron says:

    @Liberal Capitalist:

    Today seems to be a VERY quiet day for the usual Trump greek chorus.

    Wonder why?

    Well duh.

    It’s because Doug had another emotional breakdown and banned everyone who doesn’t agree with him 100%. Probably right after this story broke.

    Had to wait for the new anti-trump personas to get approved here first.

    Do you realize if you search for Scalise here exactly one article about the shooting comes up? There are at least 5 about the non-bombs already.

    You all jumped to a conclusion about this person. Just because you happened to be right this time, don’t go patting yourselves on the back like you have some deep insight into human nature. You had a 50-50 chance. Good job, guys. You can now go back to jacking off to each other and telling yourselves how much better you are than those stupid Trump supporters.

    One of the crazy nut jobs out there FINALLY ended up being a Trump supporter, so you can now justify your hated of EVERYONE who disagrees with you. If one of Those People is like that, they ALL must be like that!

    #SandersSoftballShooter

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  34. Eric Florack says:

    @Bruce Henry: you’re going to have to explain that one fully.

  35. Resistance Ron says:

    It’s like everyone here forgot about the #SandersSoftballShooter

    Hey Reynolds, you dolt.

    Let’s compare shooting a bunch of people to mailing non-bombs to people.

    That would be a better comparison, you simpleton.

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  36. Eric Florack says:

    From a friend… And I think he’s got this one right

    After Obama, I have no belief whatsoever in the integrity of any federal government agency, especialy the Department of Justice and the FBI.

    Thus, the arrest of Cesar Sayoc as the alleged sender of so-called bombs strongly reminds me of Obama blaming the Benghazi massacre of American citizens on a video made by the obscure Nakoula Basseley Nakoula,

    In short, I am not convinced that the truth has yet been told regarding the infernal devices and their creator(s) and distributor(s).

    I am more inclined to believe it is the invention of the same people who declared Hillary Clinton and her collagues innocent of any crimes and paid for the creation and dissemination of the Steele dossier, as well as the claim that Mitt Romney didn’t pay income taxes.

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  37. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Eric Florack:

    so it doesn’t bother you that Democrats were openly calling for violence for months before this happened?

    Who? Name one. And I don’t mean the crazy homeless guy yelling on the corner, I mean elected DEMs or party officials. It’s just possible one actually exists. So if s/he does, name them.

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  38. MarkedMan says:

    The difference between our resident Trumpers and Sayoc appears to lie in only one thing: his violence. (Or, at least I hope that is a difference.) But they are like Sayoc in that they daily plunge into a raging river of nonsense and lies. They gulp in the most lunatic conspiracy theories, unwilling (and probably unable) to differentiate between a ridiculous fantasy and a solid fact. But even assuming they are not normally violent doesn’t mean they won’t eventually lash out. A mob is the fever dream that allows the normally impotent to finally lash out. And their thuggish leader has been trying to incite a mob since day one.

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  39. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Resistance Ron:
    And which Democratic politician ever singled Scalise out as a target? Again and again and again and again in one rally after another? Right: none.

    Trump created this bomber’s target list. There is no Democratic equivalent. You worship an evil man.

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  40. James Pearce says:

    @Resistance Ron:

    It’s like everyone here forgot about the #SandersSoftballShooter

    So you’re saying you favor gun control….

  41. Resistance Ron says:

    @James Pearce:

    So you’re saying you favor gun control…

    So you’re saying you’re a nincompoop…

  42. Resistance Ron says:

    @Michael Reynolds:
    Oh, of course not.

    EVERY Republican is a racist and a Nazi. All Republicans want to put back black people back in chains! And to keep children in cages!

    Why single any one out in particular?

    Look at you. You can’t even fathom why someone would support Trump.

    Interesting study came out recently. People on the right are far more likely to be able to understand the reasoning of positions people on the left take. People on the left are far less likely to be able to do so, and often just make things up. You are a perfect example of someone who just imagines what others believe. And you’re entirely confident in your delusions.

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  43. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Resistance Ron:

    You can’t even fathom why someone would support Trump.

    I can’t speak for Michael but no, I can’t fathom it. So tell me, why do you support trump? What exactly is it he does for you? How is he improving your life?

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  44. Tyrell says:

    @dmhlt: I don’t know about Rush, he is not on my news list.
    This guy must have some good skills on customizing a vehicle. Those stickers are perfect, and that is not easy to do. I can’t even put a tag sticker or WDW magnet on straight. Maybe he paid some shop, unless that is his trade.
    The news I follow give facts, not propaganda opinions.

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  45. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Resistance Ron:
    Well, latest incarnation of whatever banned troll you are. . .

    Look at you. You can’t even fathom why someone would support Trump.

    Interesting study came out recently. People on the right are far more likely to be able to understand the reasoning of positions people on the left take. People on the left are far less likely to be able to do so, and often just make things up. You are a perfect example of someone who just imagines what others believe. And you’re entirely confident in your delusions.

    First of all, of course it’s easier to understand what the Left believes, we aren’t toxic liars who have to disguise what we think behind dog whistles, looney conspiracy theories and outright lies. We say clearly what we believe – you people obfuscate and distort and talk utter nonsense.

    As for why someone would support Trump? I understand it perfectly. You thought you occupied a position in society and then you found out you didn’t. You lost position relative to the people you thought were comfortably beneath you – racial, religious and sexual minorities. You were frustrated because you felt the larger culture was leaving you behind. (Spoiler: it is.)

    And, lo! From the east and riding an escalator came a big fcking moron who tickled all your erogenous zones. The racist zone, the why-won’t-women-sleep-with-me zone, the someone’s-speaking-Spanish zone, all your built-up sense of decline, your fear of the other, your frustration at your own failures.

    You’re terrified of a few thousand desperate Hondurans walking through Mexico. That’s all we need to know about you. You are so predictably weak that Cult Leader knows all it will take to enrage you is some migrant workers looking to pick strawberries. Your forefathers faced down the Nazis, you’re afraid of migrant laborers and their children. So afraid you think those families should be broken up and the children caged.

    The mentality of cult members is not a great mystery: you’re an easily-frightened, easily-defeated, weak person.

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  46. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Yeah, I’m not holding my breath.

  47. @Resistance Ron:

    EVERY Republican is a racist and a Nazi. All Republicans want to put back black people back in chains! And to keep children in cages!

    First, the only people I ever hear making the assertion that “all Republicans are Nazis, racists, etc” are people like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity engaging in rabble-rousing strawman construction.

    Second, it would help immensely, if Republicans are worried about the injustice of being tarred with the Nazi, child-cage, etc. brush, if they would call to task things like the president failing to condemn neo-Nazis (not to mention hiring people like Bannon and Miller). And, you know, not defending policies designed to put kids in cages.

    The question at the moment is: do Republicans have values and principles they want to defend, or do they just want to defend whomever the leader is at the moment?

    It takes a lot of effort to ignore the egregious behavior of this president (he has blatantly lied just this week about a nonexistent tax bill and about Middle Easterners in the caravan). The Soros example above is also appalling, The list goes on and on.

    If you want some respect, act respectably. Call out this stuff.

    I actually understand that a lot of people voted Trump because of SCOTUS (i.e., abortion), taxes and other policy reasons. That shouldn’t mean, however, that they shouldn’t be able to assess the kinds of things listed above–unless they support them. At which point don’t be offended when accurate descriptions of what you are supporting are used.

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  48. mattbernius says:

    @Resistance Ron:

    Interesting study came out recently. People on the right are far more likely to be able to understand the reasoning of positions people on the left take.

    Call! I’d love to see that study, can you provide a link to it? I’ve tried googling a number of varations of your claim and couldn’t come up with anything.

    Thanks!

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  49. mattbernius says:

    @Steven L. Taylor:

    I actually understand that a lot of people voted Trump because of SCOTUS (i.e., abortion), taxes and other policy reasons. That shouldn’t mean, however, that they shouldn’t be able to assess the kinds of things listed above–unless they support them. At which point don’t be offended when accurate descriptions of what you are supporting are used.

    I’d go one further. Its morally incumbent on these people (who also tend to be concerned about federal overreach) to vote Democratic for the house in order to check the excesses of the Trump administration that they are concerned with.

    Heck, don’t vote for Senate Democrats. That way you don’t have to worry about the Supreme Court nominations. But given that they already got the Tax bill through, the best way to prevent any federal over-reach, and put a check on the presidential excesses they make noises about caring about, is a divided Congress (with the opposite party in control of the House for oversight purposes) with Democrats in control of the House.

  50. HarvardLaw92 says:

    Just in: some lunatic shot up a synagogue in PA.

    Anybody want to place their bets on what sort of Trunpkin the shooter turns out to be?

  51. PJ says:

    @HarvardLaw92:
    Shooter has been id. Robert Bowers.

    Reported to have yelled “All Jews must die.”.

  52. mattbernius says:

    @HarvardLaw92:
    The shooter is alleged to be Robert Bowers (named on police scanners). Major note – this has yet to be confirmed by the police and could be entirely wrong.

    However, Bower had an account on the alt-right/white supremacist social media network Gab. While the account has been deleted, a number of people archived parts of it:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20181027160428/https://imgur.com/a/cwB9QkR

    Based on those posts, his politics are hard to nail down. If he is on the right he’s way past Trump (who he sees as being controlled by the Jews).

    But since he’s anti-Trump there will be a push to label him as a liberal/progressive by the Conservative Media Complex.

    Either way, the situation is really fluid right now (and we know from past occurrences that the internet often initially gets things wrong in these situations). I’m offering this to inform the conversation.

    [Doug, et al. — feel free to delete this if it violates site policy or places you in a sticky situation]

  53. Mister Bluster says:

    @HarvardLaw92:..some lunatic shot up a synagogue in PA.

    Another one of Trump’s good people.

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  54. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Eric Florack: I don’t know if IC did so, but if he didn’t I’ll step up.

    Democrats: Good job on not advocating violence against Republicans simply for what they believe politically. Keep up the good work!

  55. Gustopher says:

    @Resistance Ron:

    Do you realize if you search for Scalise here exactly one article about the shooting comes up? There are at least 5 about the non-bombs already.

    Do you realize that the shooting was over in a matter of minutes? While the MAGAbombs went on for days?

    And why are you referring to them as non-bombs. They contained active explosives, by all reports. Are you suggesting that sending out defective, or nonfunctional mail bombs is acceptable?

    The MAGAbomber is a terrorist, plain and simple.

  56. Eric Florack says:

    @HarvardLaw92: actually, no. He’s on record as saying he doesn’t support Trump.

    You have crashed. Try again?

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  57. Eric Florack says:

    So let’s see if I’ve got this one

    A lifelong Democrat who has recently converted to the Republican Party, and who very recently covered his hand with Trump stickers Etc, and who sat out supposed mail bombs which could not explode the various Democrats…. Two weeks before an election cycle which the Democrats are absolutely desperate to not lose everything in.

    And I’m not supposed to be suspicious about this at all?

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  58. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Eric Florack: What you are supposed to be is in a mental health facility.

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  59. MarkedMan says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: People like your correspondent in this exchange don’t deal in reality. He is not capable of processing or valuing things that are actually true versus things that are just random collections of words that confirm his emotion based world view. There is literally nothing you can say that would ever change (what we refer to as) his mind. Because you said it. He can never get past that.

  60. Gustopher says:

    The Miami Herald has a nice write up of the man:
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article220714565.html

    A loser, who failed at everything from exotic dancer, to bodybuilder to dry-cleaning, who had a history of violence and threats, who got real excited about Donald Trump in 2016. They also suggest he was a bouncer at a strip club, and he wanted to be a DJ, so maybe the exotic dancer part isn’t accurate — it’s early reporting, but I so hope it is true.

    A nutcase who sought out somewhere to belong. A man who was a violent incident waiting to happen.

    Basically, one of those fine people that Donald Trump reached out to and brought into the fold, and then gave him someone to blame for all the failures in his life.

  61. KM says:

    @Tyrell”
    This guy must have some good skills on customizing a vehicle. Those stickers are perfect, and that is not easy to do.

    Ah, yes lining up things in straight lines *is* hard for some people. What I’m confused about is why y’all seem to think advertising that you are one of those specshul types is a good thing. And no, that’s not a dig at disabled folks because they don’t seem to have the difficulties that all the pundits claim plague Trumpkins in their efforts at the extremely challenging art sticker arraignment.

    Honest to &$*%*%( god, my little cousins are 3 and can color in the lines and put the stickers in the books straight. That it is a new repub article of false flag faith that straight lines are HARD damnit just goes to show how stupid they think y’all are to buy that BS. They are literally telling you y’all are too dumb to line up stickers properly and you gleefully accept it to excuse a potential murderer.

  62. Kari Q says:

    @mattbernius:

    Apparently his immediate motivation was the beliefs that Jews were funding the caravan, which puts him fully in the lunatic right.

  63. Kari Q says:

    Oh, and who has been pushing the idea that Jewish money is behind the caravan? This guy. What party is he in? And of course Trump picked it up.

  64. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @MarkedMan: I know. I asked a simple question, requiring a simple answer: @OzarkHillbilly: Crickets. He came back to hurl insults at somebody who posted after my question, and yet had no answer. Did not even acknowledge my question. He’s a coward.

  65. Matt says:

    @Eric Florack: I’m still waiting. Your first post completely contradicts what you’re trying to claim…

    There are several key distinctions between then and now. Fox News commentators—in particular, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly—frequently maligned Obama and misrepresented his views, often in ways that seemed racially charged. On the converse, Obama didn’t tweet out doctored pro wrestling GIFs or obsessively rail about “fake news” and ratings.

    Your second link

    “You had folks like Hearst who used their newspapers very intentionally to promote their viewpoints. I think Fox is part of that tradition – it is part of the tradition that has a very clear, undeniable point of view,” Obama told the magazine.

    OMG that’s so terrible how dare he point out that fox news pushes an agenda and perspective that always seems to align perfectly with GOP talking points….

    I’m still waiting for anything approaching the stuff that Trump has been pulling.

    @Eric Florack:
    Erik and his type are who Trump was talking about when he (trump) said he could shoot someone and not lose their votes…

  66. tyrell says:

    @MarkedMan: This guy will be put away in a cell somewhere and will remain silent. (Sirhan Sirhan)