Saturday’s Forum

James Joyner
About James Joyner
James Joyner is Professor and Department Head of Security Studies at Marine Corps University's Command and Staff College. He's a former Army officer and Desert Storm veteran. Views expressed here are his own. Follow James on Twitter @DrJJoyner.


  1. CSK says:

    At his NRA speech in Houston, Trump says he allowed civil unrest in the cities in order to make Democrats look bad.

    He claims he had “a political and moral obligation” to do so.

  2. SC_Birdflyte says:

    And Trump, being Trump, read out the names of the dead in Uvalde, with botch after botch. Observers said it was obvious he had done no preparation beforehand.

  3. CSK says:

    Accompanied by the sound of a gong after each name.

  4. Flat Earth Luddite says:

    @CSK: , @SC_Birdflyte:
    What a vile, contemptible excuse for a human being. And in further breaking news, the sun continues to rise in the east, and water is still wet

  5. Franklin says:
  6. Jax says:

    By the way, for those interested, I got some clarification on the CDC guidance. People between 12 and 50 who are immunocompromised are eligible for a 4th booster. Immunocompromised in this definition only applies to cancer treatments, organ transplant recipients, and a few others, but NOT asthma or respiratory diseases unless you have a note from your physician.

    I’m only 47, so I have to get a note from the doc to get one, which I plan on calling them about Tuesday. The whole town is suddenly coming down with “the flu”, and I don’t want to take any chances.

  7. OzarkHillbilly says:

    This is… inventive:

    Animal rights activists have scaled the roof of a national beef industry event in protest against the meat industry. The demonstration, which began in the early hours of Saturday, is said to have resulted in one protester being taken to hospital after chaos unfolded outside Darlington Farmers Auction Mart (DFAM) in County Durham. Photos showed masked activists from the Animal Justice Project (AJP) standing on the roof of the building holding banners and spraying coloured smoke flares.

    A spokesperson for the group said campaigners were left “covered in excrement” after one event attender allegedly used a sprayer to blast manure at them.
    An AJP spokesperson told PA: “We’ve been sprayed with cow poo by one farmer using a machine. “It has been a peaceful protest and a silent protest and we are overwhelmed and outnumbered by hundreds of angry farmers.”

    A spokesperson for the NBA claimed there was a “wonderful atmosphere” at the event and did not comment further on the protest.

    Pretty sure a case for assault could be made as I’m certain that being covered in cow/pig/chicken manure* is not advisable for one’s health. That being said…

    * I raise chickens and have gotten campylobacter infections on 2 occasions. My poor asshole did not enjoy the experience.

  8. CSK says:

    It’s hard to see how spraying manure around could create “a wonderful atmosphere.”

  9. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: Well you know, they are farmers so they are used to the smell. It reminds them of home.

    On the more serious side, there is a CAFO (pigs, I have been told) outside of Washington MO. When the farmer sprays manure on his fields, and the wind is blowing in the wrong direction, being outside is all but impossible. Fortunately, I don’t work up there much anymore.

  10. gVOR08 says:

    @CSK: @OzarkHillbilly: Probably apocryphal, but when asked about the smell, the pig farmer replied, “Smells like money to me.” Nice example of what economists call an externality.

  11. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @gVOR08: Yeah, I’ve heard that one. Always liked it.

  12. Gustopher says:

    @Jax: In Washington state, you need to “attest” that you meet one of the many qualifications, but there is no checking past that.

    Given that there is a plentiful supply of vaccine, so it’s not a matter of taking it from someone else, I wouldn’t have hesitated attesting incorrectly if I were under 50. Mmmm, vaccine.

  13. CSK says:

    Oh, shit. Trump has suggested that he might come to Massachusetts to campaign for perennial loser Geoff Diehl in Diehl’s futile quest to become the next governor.

    I can’t imagine Trump will actually show up here. Diehl is a…loser. And Trump never backs losers.

  14. senyordave says:

    @Flat Earth Luddite: And in further breaking news, the sun continues to rise in the east, and water is still wet
    In 10 billion years the sun will gone, but Trump will still be an asshole (albeit a dead asshole).

  15. Mister Bluster says:

    “Smells like money to me.”
    That’s what the hog farmer said when I was working on the telephone lines at the side of the dusty gravel road right next to his pig pen one hot summer day in July in rural Pope County, Illinois and I complained about the stench. It was bad enough even before Porky and his friends stuck their snouts through the fence to try and help me.
    Ten years earlier I had spent two of the longest years of my life working at the Municipal Sewage Treatment Plant in Murphysboro, Illinois and my memory of that daily shitshow was akin to fresh baked buns and roses compared to the Pope County Pork Chops.

    Pope County is home to Bay City on the Ohio River where some of the plane crash scenes from the movie U.S. Marshals were filmed.

  16. Kathy says:


    And Trump never backs losers.

    That would explain why Benito never put any money in his own campaigns.

  17. CSK says:

    I think he saw his campaigns as a combination money-making/branding exercise.

  18. CSK says:

    Trump seems to be getting flak for that asinine little dance he did after mispronouncing the names of the dead children at the NRA convention.

    This is similar to that idiotic thumbs-up gesture he made with the orphaned baby after the El Paso Walmart shooting.

    This psychotic buffoon has all the sense of appropriate behavior of a warthog.

  19. de stijl says:


    I mask up indoors in public spaces now. No question.

    Helps me. Helps you. I have no desire to get sick or inadvertently give sick.

    In my neck of the woods, no one cares if you mask up. I’ve had two people give negative feedback. My response was “Thanks for your input” and just proceeded on.

  20. Flat Earth Luddite says:

    On a different note, today in puddletown is warm but very very rainy. I’ve usually got my tomato plants in the ground and growing like weeds much earlier in may. Given the temperatures we’ve had so far, I’m not holding out a lot of Hope for a successful crop.

  21. Jim Brown 32 says:

    The gun control debate after school shooting will change…. when rural, red state schools are an equal or greater share of the targets. Much like the beginning of Covid, the rural view is that these are “city, Blue State” problems. They do not believe “we’re all in this together…” They believe they should not be inconvenienced by the deterioration of urban society.

    Much like the flawed progressive logic that everyone’s problem is my burden to solve, country folks occupy the flip side of a coin: Nothing is a problem if it doesn’t affect me.

    The good news is that the inevitable generational transfer of power will fix alot of this. The next 5-8 years will purge the last of boomers out of power at all levels of Government. Gen X and below have vastly different governing philosophy than Boomers.

  22. Mister Bluster says:

    @CSK:..This psychotic buffoon has all the sense of appropriate behavior of a warthog.

    HEY! Watch Out what you say!

  23. CSK says:

    @Mister Bluster:
    I knew when I wrote that that warthogs don’t deserve being compared to Trump.

  24. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Flat Earth Luddite:

    , I’m not holding out a lot of Hope for a successful crop.

    Meh… you say this every year, but I still get a bag or two of overflow cherry tomatoes during the season. I’m not worried. ;-)+

  25. Just nutha ignint cracker says:
  26. Jax says:

    @Flat Earth Luddite: I’ve been really, really grateful all my stuff is planted up at the greenhouse. It’s supposed to snow tomorrow night. 😛 Not many seeds have sprouted yet besides the peas, but I have faith!

  27. de stijl says:

    @Mister Bluster:

    I shoveled cow poop for a few summers. Didn’t even get paid. It was a family obligation. Grandparents needed more hands during summer.

    Dairy farms have an ingenious way of recycling poop.

    1. They have poop conveyor belts in a trough behind the cows. Genius. You shovel the poop into the gutter. It gets whisked away.

    2. That poop conveyor belt deposits the poop into a machine. It’s in the back. You really do not want to go back there in that section of the barn.

    3. Once full up, they haul that machine behind a tractor and spray that poop over the fields as fertilizer. It has a name: a manure spreader.

    4. Some people have more manure than they can spread and shunt the leftover poop into a big poop lagoon with bermed sides. I have seen this thing with my own eyes. It is so disgusting it is also awesome. A pond of cow poop and rainwater. It is a sight to behold. Plants grow in it.

  28. CSK says:

    @de stijl:
    “Poop lagoon…”

    That does sound enticing.

  29. Flat Earth Luddite says:

    @de stijl:
    Ours wasn’t a pond, but I remember those days well. Circa mid 60’s, we had a concrete underground holding tank. The concrete disk on top was about 30′ diameter. We had to fork out the barn stalls to the aisles, then we tractor bladed the poop out to the slit in the disk. After appropriate aging, this was then spread over the fields. IIRC, this spreading of organic fertilizer is one of the major EPA pollution claims against large-scale dairy operations. Of course, when I was a teen, family’s 300 head of Holsteins was considered a major herd. These days, Tillamook Dairy has, IIRC, over 300k cows in the cap-rock country of eastern Oregon.

  30. Jax says:

    @Flat Earth Luddite: 300 dairy cows is no joke when you’re calving them out and then milking them. Not to mention the bulls. Some of the meanest bulls I’ve ever seen have been dairy bulls.