Saturday’s Forum
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Steven L. Taylor
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Saturday, August 8, 2020
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About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored
A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog).
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I’m doomedFlorida headline of the day-Rise in coronavirus deaths continues; Palm Beach County sets daily record
An actual headline, Louisiana court upholds black man’s life sentence for trying to steal hedge clippers, an actual case:
The headline of the day- If you’re going to complain to Aurora Police, make sure you have the right Aurora
Study finds racial bias in the government’s formula for distributing Covid-19 aid to hospitals
A “data-driven manner” that just happened to favor hospitals that don’t treat the people who are most likely to get infected.
Feature, not a bug.
Mark Shields on NPR last night said that Senate Republicans are sure that Trump is going to lose because now they are extremely “concerned” about deficits. Something they only indulge in when Democrats are in the White House.
@sam: I wonder if they are concerned enough to reverse their massive tax cuts for the rich giveaway?
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…. Sometimes I just crack me up.
I’ve a proposal for the hydroxychloroquine and zinc cult: Show us how harmless and easily treated COVID-19 is.
Let’s do a controlled study. The control group wears masks and takes all other precautions against catching SARS-CoV-2, and is given no medication at all. The hydroxy group takes hydroxychloroquine and zinc as a prophylactic, and gets exposed to SARS-CoV-2 several times a day, say by helping out in hospital areas where COVID-19 patients are treated, never wearing masks or other PPE.
At the end of two months, we compare fatality rates.
According to the hydroxychloroquine and zinc cult, they should not get sick, and if by some reason they do, they should be miraculously cured. there’s virtually no risk at all. Prove it.
Good news Cubs fans, the Cardinals will not be returning to the post season this year.
This is a joke, a very sad joke in service to greed.
@Kathy: I think that’s a splendid idea, Kathy. They should put up or shut up.
Andrew Sulivan’s Weekly Dish is making it to me as a newsletter. I subscribed in the hope that he would re-engage with the best arguments against his mini-diatribes. It is very satisfying watching someone with strong opinions actually deal with and evolve from the strongest arguments against those opinions, regardless of where I came down myself. So far, I have hope. For example, it’s obvious Sullivan sees himself as a Republican and will never feel comfortable with Democrats, but he does not engage in much whataboutism. Here’s an example.
Here’s another example of Sullivan engaging honestly with his critics. He recently got into a stupid Twitter war where he equated support for BLM with atheism and asserted that those who didn’t realize that were hopelessly naive. It was Sullivan at his most ridiculous, an adult man ramping himself up like a preteen boy reacting to every challenge with “Oh Yeah?!!!! Well then I’ll say this!!!!” Here’s his comment prefacing his attempt at staking out a more thoughtful take:
Interesting approach to enhancing PPE
https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/harvard-biomedical-engineering-professor-to-launch-nasal-spray-that-could-reduce-covid-19-transmission-risk/
would appreciate any feedback on where this sit on the truth or gimmick scale. Is it is legitimate. The ability to “knock out” particle sizes less than 1 micron would be a major risk reduction breakthrough. You see Libs…Trump WAS right!
I’d also recommend listening the Michael Steeles latest podcast interview with Rick Wilson of the Lincoln Project. He gave some really good insight into why they were established an their tactics. Makes complete sense to now how Republicans could market Shit sandwiches and sell them for the past 25 years. These people are primo persuasions artists.
“Mysterious giant hangar spotted at Area 51 three months ago has DISAPPEARED, new aerial pictures reveal” (Daily Mail)
How could something that massive be taken apart that quickly? Why was it removed?
Area 51: not even the presidents are allowed in there.
More explosions: Iran, Beirut, China, North Korea. “North Korea city apparently rocked by deadly explosion” (VOA)
“Unusual lightning bolt strikes China high rise”
“Massive fireball explodes above Chinese city after lightning strikes city” (AP)
Lightning of “Biblical proportions”! One theory is that charged particles in the atmosphere are creating unusual, super lightning.
“Massive fires break out along San Andreas fault” (ABC7) The magma is rising!
“First splashdown in 45 years”. Splashdown? That seems a step backward. Why not land a rocket the same direction it takes off?
This brings back memories of Gus Grisson. I remember that splashdown very well.
I once visited the bar where Grissom and some of the other astronauts frequented. I also saw the office used by Neil Armstrong at the Cape.
Unlike the FBI, the NPS appears to have a sense of humor.
@Jim Brown 32:
I wouldn’t put much stock on a study with ten subjects. it may be indicative that there may be something there, but it’s far from proving any claims.
Then, too, assuming this clears all particles as claimed, for how long? Minutes? Hours? Days? If we can’t get people to wear masks, or wear them properly, what are the chances they’ll spritz saline solution up their nose several times a day, or even once a day?
And the NYTimes opinion page wins the “we deserve all the ridicule” prize for at least the day with this one:
@mattbernius:
The Times is correct. Four years ago, the Democratic ticket was a woman and a man, not a man and a woman.
/sarcasm
A pie filter would fix the problem.
Man, they are wrecking the Post Office.
@Teve:
Sh!t. Now what?
@Jim Brown 32: My skepticism is pretty strong with this one and the Harvard connection, if anything, just increases it. For whatever reason, Harvard Medical School has a very high degree of quackery associated with it. Of course, quacks can come from anywhere but most reputable schools try to push that away. Harvard must get a cut because their “informational” pages often have ads for whacko treatments and theories, most trumpeting their Harvard connections. The way they show up makes it seem like Harvard is endorsing the nonsense.
It may be just a bad science writer, but there is no mention of how this would work. I actually work with machines that generate aerosols of small particles from saline solutions and those salt particles themselves wouldn’t do anything to reduce other small particles. The only mechanism I can imagine is if the water particles the salts are suspended in are large enough that they won’t evaporate. Smaller particles present in the respiration could then bind to those large particles. They would then be “removed” in the sense that they wouldn’t show up in a particle scan, but they are still there in the bigger particles which wouldn’t be measured in this type of experiment.
And of course that would only “work” while you are actively breathing and exhaling the mist. The second it went away, the effect would stop.
Unless the writer has totally missed the point, the article basically describes a saline atomizer, which you can buy in any drug store and refill from gallon jugs of saline solution.
@mattbernius: This is my chance to point out that Maureen Dowd is never worth reading. The last thing I read by her was a magazine length screed about “trends in relationships” and “mens fear of strong women” which would have been vapid at column length but was painfully cringeworthy as she struggled to fill a NY Times magazine cover piece with drivel. It was the famed NY Times Style section “Monocle” paragraph drawn out and repeated over and over.
This is such a blatant scam you wonder how anyone could fall for it: The Trump Campaign advertised “dinner with Donnie” in Southampton, NY on Aug. 8 for the low, low price of only $10,000. Unfortunately, residents of 35 states are barred from visiting NY because of Covid-19. Over 73% of the ads for this con were directed to those prohibited states.
But not prohibited, one assumes, from donating ten grand.
This is similar to those “breakfast with Donnie” deals advertised in 2016, only on a grander scale. There was, as far as I know, only one winner of breakfast, and Lardass himself never showed up for it.
I’ll give Trump credit: He knows suckers when he sees them.
@MarkedMan:
Sounds like a saline atomizer to me as well. As far as I know, they don’t prevent, treat, or cure any diseases; they flush out and rehydrate nasal passages.
And mail delivery including of things like medications, has been drastically slowed down, and the Trump administration wants to almost triple the price states pay to send ballots through the mail.
@MarkedMan: 20 years ago when I was reading a print copy of the New York Times every day, I hit one too many idiotic Maureen Dowd stories where the whole thing was just a fantasy conversation being shitty about the Clintons. I decided that life was too short.
@Teve:
I suspect even death is too short…
America’s Authoritarian Governor: Georgia had an early surge of the virus, and now cases are spiking again. Brian Kemp has refused to learn a thing.
@Teve: A while later I realized David Brooks was worthless. Stopped reading him.
I’m 44. There’s too much good stuff in the world to waste time on garbage.
@Teve:
FWIW, I had an editor in NY who adored Maureen Dowd. He was a nice enough guy. Probably the most useless editor I’ve ever had.
@Bill: Bill, first — glad to see you’re still posting our daily Florida headlines. And — just so you’ll know, we here in St Pete/Clearwater had 28 deaths from Covid19 reported for yesterday and are knocking on the door of 500 total since the outbreak began.
At least we missed that last tropical storm. Stay well, my friend.
@Teve: @MarkedMan:
A few weeks ago we had a conversation about overrated columnists. How some people gain inflated reputations on the basis of very little escapes me, although it helps enormously to be the spawn of a famous writer if you aspire to be a writer yourself.
I realize my tastes aren’t the public’s tastes, but even so…
For example, I don’t think I’ve ever in my life finished a Peggy Noonan column. I start to gag and then choke on all the whimsy.
@mattbernius:
There’s speculation that Susan Rice is Biden’s veep pick, since she’s apparently just unloaded all her Netflix stock options.
@Teve: Brooks is kind of a sad case. He was hired to be a Reasonable Republican Voice (TM), but that’s obviously an oxymoron. He doesn’t want to lose his prestigious gig or the other income it indirectly brings in, but he simply has nothing to offer in what he was hired to do. So he wanders about from thought to thought, trying to pitch himself as some kind of gentle conservative philosopher.
@MarkedMan: I occasionally read Brooks to see if anything’s changed, but mostly for the snarky comments, a few of them mine. His “moderate” brand would suffer if he supported Trump, but he’s still a Republican concern troll. He does all his silly pop-sociology columns because the alternative would be admitting forty years of Republicans caused our problems.
@Teve:
Who doesn’t like pie?
@MarkedMan:
Brooks, Douthat, Stephens all the NYT conservatives/republicans. They no longer speak for the party, the ideology they advocate has turned them into big tent Dems, where they seem comfortable. They will rail about the Woke, but many centrist Dems share that view.
Douthat is still a pro-life and Catholic world view advocate, but he’s come to terms LGBTQ in society. Stephens is a pro-Israel, neo-liberal, but again, not any more so than many centrist Dems. Brooks fancies himself as some sort of philosopher king advocating for an orderly, equal society.
They aren’t alone, as dozens of formerly R leaning pundits have been abandoned by the parties lurch to Trumpism and it doesn’t appear that many are going back, post trump.
@CSK: I think it’s Wonkette that used to or might still mock Dame Peggy Noonan‘s columns. They were brutal.
@Sleeping Dog: post trump is it going to be any better? Or will it just be Trump copycats for the next several cycles?
Once again I will reiterate that I have absolutely no faith that America will survive the consequences of the conservative media bubble.
Sheriff Joe lost his comeback try in Maricopa County to an ex-deputy. So sad. This is my sad face.
I don’t reckon karma is an actual thing, a force, but the concept delights me nonetheless. It is great when good things happen to good people and bad things to the bad.
Fox News asks Biden about his running mate choices while he is swiftly riding a bike and wearing a mask. He responds with a joke. Link
@MarkedMan: @Kathy: Thanks! The Harvard name associated certainly made me pay attention a little more than if it were published on some other website–so the branding did its job. My initial thought it that it could work sort of like diatomaceous earth does for lawn pests. Basically, the particle shape pierces the insects exoskeleton on contact and they die. You can eat the stuff–its harmless.
I was once an initial screener for people wanted to sell battlefield IT technology to the USG. I have a very high skepticism threshold as a result for almost every new pitched idea that markets itself as revolutionary.
I live in Florida so desperation for some good news is making me reach for straws. The wife and I went out for a drive yesterday evening and all the restaurants were packed. Some of them had tables vacant or spaced out to social distance but most of them were not. In addition, the State is denying the local school boards plans to do online only schooling and forcing additional lawsuits. We are desperate for some good news—any good news. Its sunny today so I guess thats a start.
@Sleeping Dog:
What is there for them to go back to? Whatever we may think of their politics, these are educated, reasonably cultivated, well-read, worldly people. Your average Trumpkin delights in being a crude, semi-literate, grunting oaf, because that’s what a “real American” is.
@Teve:
This past week my refill was turned over to the USPS as first class mail in California on Sunday and arrived in my mailbox in Colorado on Thursday. I don’t know, but my impression for years has been that the delivery structure in the western states has been more streamlined than in the eastern US. I don’t think it’s by intent, I think more likely just happened as a consequence of geography.
@Jim Brown 32:
I’ll see if I can find some for you. Don’t hold your breath.
@Teve:
@CSK:
No which is why some will end up as Dems others are cheerfully admitting that they won’t have a political home. Most of the homeless will likely pick and choose among policy proposals to advocate for. That will be fine as it will serve a useful purpose.
@Teve:
Yes, Wonkette. (J’adore Wonkette)
The Nooners is so, so disappointed in us that we are not living up to an utopian Reagan ideal.
Another Noonan worthy of much greater respect is character actor and playwright Tom Noonan.
@Jim Brown 32:
You have a wife. You have a home. You have a vehicle. You have food in the fridge and running water.
Chin up! You have a great life.
@Jim Brown 32: The diatomaceous earth model is exactly the concept the researchers believe apply here. The aerosol evaporates and the salt crystals remaining have sharp edges that supposedly degrade the virus on contact. Most of the articles I pulled up referenced the technique to apply to masks as opposed to direct inhalation.
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3073842
@Jim Brown 32: Can’t speak for this particular application, but when I’ve used saline in the past for seasonal grass allergy, I’ve needed to use it about 6 times a day and the effect is very short lived. With Covid-19 viruses being significantly less ubiquitous in the atmosphere than grass pollen, the affect might be longer lasting, but as a short term effect in a specific area–such as a patient’s room or meeting–it’s possible that it would be an important addition. At this point, color me skeptical.
@Jim Brown 32: An article from Joong ang Daily News increases my sense that the idea may have some credibility however small because it didn’t deal in fads while I was in Korea. On the other hand, it was considered the *hard right* paper by some I knew in Korea (the Korean language edition, that is, English Joong ang Daily was part of the International Herald Tribune). That would make it just a touch center left in the US spectrum.
You may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
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You may find yourself with a beautiful wife in a beautiful house
And you may ask yourself how did I get here?
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David Byrne is a genius a just a beautiful, lovely person. He made my life better, especially the early bit. Bless him. He is a good egg.
@de stijl:
He’s actually not. I’ll just leave it at that.
Best advice I got early in my career: “Never meet your heroes”.
@EddieInCA:
I did not know this. What has he done?
@EddieInCA:
I do remember him peevish and a bit dickish to Chris and Tina for a bit, but other than that not much bad stuff I have heard.
I am entirely open to having my heroes diminished by their acts. It is sad. But people are weird and complex.
Please share.
@OzarkHillbilly: Cardinals blow it again! How many times does this make?
Really, I hate that this happened. A few years ago they had a sure thing real deal trip to the World Series when their excellent relief staff melted down.
Do they not have enough players on the bench to keep going? Could they call some players up from their minor league teams?
There are plenty of players out there that are available and could be brought in, even if to just get a good look at them for next season.
@Tyrell:
Gus screwed the pooch.
The Right Stuff is a truly great movie.
@Monala: Responses from Republicans on Twitter are funny. “Yeah, only Libs would be impressed by Biden doing something any 10-year-old can do!”
This ignores the fact that:
1) Riding a bike at 77 is pretty damn impressive.
2) And just a few weeks ago, they were cheering Trump for drinking from a glass with one hand.
To be fair, though, they have one criticism that is valid (and a lot of Democrats have made it, too): Biden should be wearing a helmet.
@Tyrell:
My local rag had a bit called My 2 Cents where folk could share their thoughts.
One person was super pissed that the Cubs had called up the best players from the I-Cubs just before the Triple A equivalent of the World Series. This was early September.
I get home town loyalty, but she clearly did not get what triple A teams exist for. Its purpose. X went down: We need a utility infielder who bats left, so who we got?
It was stupid, but cute and endearing.
The Iowa Cubs are a really great watch. Gab with your friends, drink beer, try to make each other laugh. Plus decent triple A baseball.
Yesterday’s news, but still appalling to me:
— Vice President Mike Pence
Wait a minute. Wait just a cotton-picking minute! Of course, he went on to say:
Please re-elect Fearless Leader — I can’t wait to live in a dystopian, third-world s*** hole ruled by a minority theocracy.
I am an essential worker so I am not laid off my very part time job. Homeowner not a renter. Paid off my student loans 30+ years ago. Just exactly which taxes that workers pay are being cut and by how much?
Even if this lets me keep $20/month I still won’t vote for you Trump. Maybe if you weren’t such a flaming sexual pervert…no you would still be a total dupe where your boyfriend Putin is concerned.
(Didn’t Trump just say again he’s been the toughest American President on Russia there ever was?)
@Mister Bluster:
I am sure Putin has kompromat on Trump.
Provable? No. Future will tell.
@Tyrell: Oh they can field a team, but when was the last time a minor league team played in a major league divisional playoff? In a shortened season, players missing just 2 weeks is a big blow. Martinez has the Covid. DeJong has it. Molina* has it. That’s gonna leave a big hole in the line up that no minor leaguer is gonna fill off the bench. If they get seriously ill? Or even just feeling shitty for the next 2 months? Fuhgedaboudit.
* Yes, Yadi is reaching the end of his career, can no longer swing the bat like he used to. But his presence behind the plate and his ability to handle the pitching staff, and that shotgun arm and baseball instincts are still very much top tier.
Look around you. No waiting necessary.
@de stijl: We burned up the interstate going back and forth to Braves games back in the ’60’s. The Cardinals had a great team: Brock, Shannon, Carlton, Cepeda, McCarver, Simmons, Boyer, and the incredible Bob Gibson. The Reds “Big Red Machine” was the most complete team in baseball. My best memory was seeing Don Drysdale and Sandy Koufax pitch on the same weekend.
“Hotlanta”
@de stijl:
I thought that was between the dog and me, and I know I didn’t blab…
Holy shit! A talking dog!
@Tyrell:
No mention of Curt Flood? He was a great defensive player. Simmons while part of the 64 Cards WS winner was pretty washed up from 1965 till his retirement in 1967. How about Dick Groat, Tim McCarver, Bill White, Julian Javier, and Dal Maxvill
The Braves didn’t move to Atlanta till 1966. 66 was also Koufax’s last year. The Braves and Dodgers did play on June 25 and June 26 that year with Drysdale and Koufax starting in Atlanta. It was a weekend.
Thanks to my strat-o-matic playing, I am a bit of an expert on 60’s baseball. Heck I got replays going of every year from 55 to 69 plus five others. I started this in 2012 and I got almost 14,000 of the 32,000 games done. The only seasons I have completed are 55 and 56. If you’re wondering, in 64 the Cardinals are in 2nd place with me a half game behind the Giants but with the Dodgers, Phillies, Braves and Pirates all within 4.5 games of first* . I’m in early August of that replay** and the Cards are doing are doing 6 wins better with me than they did in real life at that point in the season.
*- 64 National was a crazy pennant race in real life with the infamous Phillies collapse at the end of the year. The Cards finished one game ahead of the Reds and Phillies but the Giants and Braves also finished no more than five games out of first.
*- Other than 1960, 64 is the closest replay I have to the finishing point.
@flat earth luddite:
You do know in such countries the plutocrats are protected so long as they toe the dictator’s line, right? So we know the money will be safe.
Does anything else matter?
@Gustopher:
The Right Stuff is seriously amazing movie. Kaufman made a bonkers kinetic movie out of a non-fiction book by Tom Wolfe about the birth of the Space Age.
So many great actors dialing it down to fit the role.
And good Tyr the visuals!
Levon Helm as Narrator. Got some Beemans?
The actor who played Ed Harris’ / John Glenn’s wife Annie is mom to Emily and Zooey Deschannel. She was heartbreaking. Dad was one of the camera dudes.
It is stunningly good. Makes you want to walk up and punch God in the dick and say “Whatchu got, punk” good.
@de stijl:
Did Gus Grissom screw the pooch?
Contemporary reporting did not say so. But reporting then did not question the heroic narrative. Forbade from. Kaufman heavily implied he did as a panic reaction.
@Bill:..64 National was a crazy pennant race in real life with the infamous Phillies collapse at the end of the year.
@Mister Bluster:
Durocher was a misogynist. The Billy Goat was not impressed and withheld his favor awaiting a more enlightened hero.
The ’69 (nice) Cubs were not worthy.
Billy Goat is keen on gender equality. He has seen his sisters and daughters suffer enough. No more!
I am a Vikings fan so you Chicago people and you Boston folks can just fuck off with your whining.
You eventually got there. We never did.
Grr! Godammit, Gary Anderson. Your one miss the whole season was that one?
I was so heartbroken.
@flat earth luddite: Yo zeeb, sorry, but I grew up in a church that was really into the whole minority theocracy thing, so you guys go on ahead without me, and I’ll catch up later. M’kay? 😉
Today I discovered NF. I know I am late to the game.
Wow! I thought that I had a complicated relationship with my mother. That is powerful stuff.
@de stijl:
What’s NF?
@CSK: Nordic Ferrets. I hear they have very complicated relationships with their mothers.
@CSK:
NF is a singer / rapper.
Check “Why Did You Leave Us”. It will punch in the gut hard.
@Gustopher:
We co-existed when I was a kid. Don’t fuck with me and I won’t fuck with you. Please do not show up at school high or drunk or manic.
I did not speak with her at all for nearly 25 years. I sent cards on her birthday. She was not a pleasant person.
Later we re-connected. It was not Hollywood bonding. It was awkward and abrupt.
She made an honest effort as did I, but too many years and too many bad memories.
I appreciated her effort.
When she died her neighbor asked if I was going to come. Nah that’s just not going to happen.
@de stijl:
She roped me in.
Named me heir and executor. I was her ICE contact. I lived 1500 miles away.
At the very end I think I was the only person she interacted with regularly. And we talked maybe three times a month.
My God the mess. There were syringes everywhere. There was about a years worth of unopened mail. Thank God she was autopay on her utilities else she would have died in the dark with no running water.
Alzheimer’s is not pretty or fun. That was grim. She eventually forgot to inject herself.
I met some really cool and nice folks. The cleaning crew were superb and Claudia semi adopted me. She makes really great food.
Even the realtor was a mensch. I know!
Gave me a ride to the airport on his own time and dime.
I really appreciated that.
@de stijl: Jeebus. I once watched a HS buddy of mine get chased around the dining room table by his mother with a butcher knife. And I thought they had a fucked up relationship.
You got my sympathies, man.
@OzarkHillbilly:
I ask myself if I should have swallowed my pride and done more to help her at the end.
I sorta knew she was in a bad place. She kept repeating the same stories every time I talked to her.
The condition of her kitchen when I went to prep the house for sale was fucking shocking.
I think she was living entirely off takeout from Fry’s.
One night I super freaked out and collapsed and sobbed for a hour. It was heartbreaking to see with my own eyes how she was living.
When Claudia and cleaning crew showed up I asked how can I help that won’t impede you. They gave me windows.
It was either that or sit on my butt feeling sorry for myself. I am super happy to do clean up labor. Bring it.
I don’t know, only you can figure that one out. I will say that after they are gone, a certain amount of guilt is just part of mourning a loss, even a loss such as yours I guess.
I had a… difficult relationship with my father. He pretty much ignored me while putting all his positive energies into my older brother. The only way I could get any attention from him was by pissing him off. So I did. I always loved him, and I know he did me (he must have, otherwise he would have killed me) and in later years we came to appreciate each other but there are still things I feel guilty about, even a few I have no need to.
@de stijl: “David Byrne is a genius a just a beautiful, lovely person”
Byrne is a genius. I saw his last tour three times — once at Coachella, once at the former tennis stadium in Queens, once on Broadway. His book How Music Works is brilliant — and in fact it’s become the cornerstone of a lot of my teaching… and I teach TV writing.
But judging by what his former collaborators say, I think he’s also only a beautiful, lovely person if you’ve never met him…
@EddieInCA: “Best advice I got early in my career: “Never meet your heroes”.”
Yeah, I got the privilege of working with Cosby AND Roy Scheider.
Dick Van Dyke turns out to be everything you’d want him to be, though.
@de stijl: “Please share.”
Let Chris Frantz explain:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/talking-heads-drummer-chris-frantz-memoir-david-byrne-reunion-odds-1023773/
@wr:
Glad to know that.
Good.